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Wizaard said:
Nadine Dorries is considering running in the race for PM.

Is that really the standard?
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Yes it is.

There's a lack of talent across The House.

I think we've got a fair chance we are going to get our first non-white PM.

And they will say words to the effect of "two* women and now me; whilst the Party opposite talk about equality, we are the only Party to do it.

We believe that where you're from shouldn't hold you back" etc etc.

(*might even be 3 with Suella Braverman)
 
www.independent.co.uk

Rishi Sunak enters contest to be next Tory leader

The former chancellor said he will restore trust following Boris Johnson’s premiership.
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So is Rishi.

Lets face it, his furlough approach was as left as the left could get, so much so half of those furloughed dont want to go back to work anymore 😳
I would back Rishi, he has a sensible approach to boom and bust and realises we need to reign it in now and work hard to get back on track. And work hard should apply to all of us who can.
 
Lala said:
www.independent.co.uk

Rishi Sunak enters contest to be next Tory leader

The former chancellor said he will restore trust following Boris Johnson’s premiership.
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

So is Rishi.

Lets face it, his furlough approach was as left as the left could get, so much so half of those furloughed dont want to go back to work anymore 😳
I would back Rishi, he has a sensible approach to boom and bust and realises we need to reign it in now and work hard to get back on track. And work hard should apply to all of us who can.
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If it hadn't been for Pincher's wandering hands good old Rishi (where am I domiciled this week?) Sunak would still be cheering the lying tow-rag from the rafters of 11 Downing Street.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
If it hadn't been for Pincher's wandering hands good old Rishi (where am I domiciled this week?) Sunak would still be cheering the lying tow-rag from the rafters of 11 Downing Street.
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In the video Sunak makes much of his love for the UK and patriotic values.
Contrast this with his actions, Sunak's wife was a non-dom for tax purposes and he held a US green card whilst he was an MP.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
And if it wasn't for such a spectacular election defeat, Starmer would be still be cheering Corbyn to the rafters.
When are you lot going to learn that MP's from both sides are hypocrites and in it purely for their own gain?
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Except that Corbyn stood down because he failed badly in the election. Johnson was taken down by those who had previously backed him to the hilt over his lying, his lack of morality and his lack of integrity.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Except that Corbyn stood down because he failed badly in the election. Johnson was taken down by those who had previously backed him to the hilt over his lying, his lack of morality and his lack of integrity.
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Jezzer jumped before he was pushed

Starmer's hypocrisy stinks as he claims he didn't agree with Corbyn now yet he was enthusiastic enough to be part of his front bench at the time
 
Interesting one this. The Tory faithful unlike Labour seem fine and dandy with a female leader but a non white leader might just send the majority over the edge of madness.
They’re happy for Rishy etc to be in a ‘shop keeper’ role such as Chancellor but leader….. ooh big move…
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Except that Corbyn stood down because he failed badly in the election. Johnson was taken down by those who had previously backed him to the hilt over his lying, his lack of morality and his lack of integrity.
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And when Starmer became leader he couldn't wait to stick the knife in and suspend Corbyn. Having previously backed him to the hilt.
I can't see any difference?
And we're not debating Corbyn's actions, we're debating Starmer's actions and in particular his hypocrisy
 
I'll sum up. It doesn't matter who the next Conservative leader is, when the next election comes around Labour will win quite comfortably. Until then, most of you just like your own voices and will go round in ever widening circles looking for something to moan about because you all believe you're genuine experts on all matters political.
 
TSSeasider said:
Yes it is.

There's a lack of talent across The House.

I think we've got a fair chance we are going to get our first non-white PM.

And they will say words to the effect of "two* women and now me; whilst the Party opposite talk about equality, we are the only Party to do it.

We believe that where you're from shouldn't hold you back" etc etc.

(*might even be 3 with Suella Braverman)
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They would have a point mind.
 
Starmer ran (and still hasn't outlined his policy differences) on some very similar policies.

It's why he got elected Leader of the Labour Party.

With the newly emboldened Trades Union movement, he's going to have a difficult enough job getting his own party to agree a shift the centre before he contemplates how to sell it to the country.

And FWIW, I know a few people connected directly to his office and they are worried about a policy vacuum - it may be a case of doing nothing whilst your enemy keeps shooting themselves in the foot; but once the new PM is installed, the Tory Party machine will get into gear and swing behind them.

Will Keir Starmer have enough to do it, time will tell now his pantomime villain had been forced out of office: who knows.

Edited to add: I don't think ND will win. It's a bit like me entering the Great North Run and expecting to beat Mo Farrah.
 
20togo said:
I'll sum up. It doesn't matter who the next Conservative leader is, when the next election comes around Labour will win quite comfortably. Until then, most of you just like your own voices and will go round in ever widening circles looking for something to moan about because you all believe you're genuine experts on all matters political.
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Not sure Starmer can win an election.
 
20togo said:
I'll sum up. It doesn't matter who the next Conservative leader is, when the next election comes around Labour will win quite comfortably. Until then, most of you just like your own voices and will go round in ever widening circles looking for something to moan about because you all believe you're genuine experts on all matters political.
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Do you write these things specifically to amuse us?
 
I don't think Labour can win an election, certainly not with Starmer in charge

Let's be honest most politicians are bellends who are only out for themselves

I don't get all the rants on this site either red or blue it's all the same
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Not sure Starmer can win an election.
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No I'm not sure either. When all the whooping and high fives have subsided over Johnson's demise, Starmer is going to have to up his game. He's not had to do too much whilst his main opponent has been constantly shooting himself in the foot. That might change now and the spotlight will be on him a little bit more.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
No I'm not sure either. When all the whooping and high fives have subsided over Johnson's demise, Starmer is going to have to up his game. He's not had to do too much whilst his main opponent has been constantly shooting himself in the foot. That might change now and the spotlight will be on him a little bit more.
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We'll see I suppose, I just don't think he has much about him as a leader that'll appeal, not a reflection on him really.
 
20togo said:
Possibly, probably, who knows? Not something i think about, it's all rather mundane.
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Very True, but some of the "Everything left of centre is wonderful, everything right of centre is Shite" postings give me a good laugh.

The simple fact is both sides have good and bad policies, it's just for me, I see more good policies (or perhaps I should say less bad policies) to the right of the centre
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
And when Starmer became leader he couldn't wait to stick the knife in and suspend Corbyn. Having previously backed him to the hilt.
I can't see any difference?
And we're not debating Corbyn's actions, we're debating Starmer's actions and in particular his hypocrisy
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For one, the core of this thread is about the suitability of Tory leadership candidates to be PM. For two, Starmer accepted the role of Shadow SofS for exiting the EU under Jeremy Corbyn. That does not mean that he followed all of Corbyn's views. Once he became leader of the party he came down quickly on those who had allowed anti-semitism to become a narrative with which to beat Labour. Those people included Corbyn and Rebecca Long-Bailey; the latter of whom he had promoted to the Shadow Cabinet when he became leader. If you are condemning Starmer for that then I cannot agree with you. There is certainly no hypocrisy to see here.
 
Lala said:
www.independent.co.uk

Rishi Sunak enters contest to be next Tory leader

The former chancellor said he will restore trust following Boris Johnson’s premiership.
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

So is Rishi.

Lets face it, his furlough approach was as left as the left could get, so much so half of those furloughed dont want to go back to work anymore 😳
I would back Rishi, he has a sensible approach to boom and bust and realises we need to reign it in now and work hard to get back on track. And work hard should apply to all of us who can.
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Sunak would never get my support . . claimed he helped the public out with furlough but forgot about the 3 million of us who had the guts to set up their own business. When questioned on it by many people including Martin Lewis he just ignored them!!

We were just left high and dry and I'll never forgive the Tories for that. I've paid tax all my live and never claimed a penny but when I needed it there was nothing. Not just a handful of the public but 3 million who were just cast aside.

I had to take a £40K loan out just to keep going.

It sickens me when the Tories come on and say they saved the country.
 
TSSeasider said:
And FWIW, I know a few people connected directly to his office and they are worried about a policy vacuum - it may be a case of doing nothing whilst your enemy keeps shooting themselves in the foot; but once the new PM is installed, the Tory Party machine will get into gear and swing behind them.
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I think the problem they face is that, post covid, there really is no money to spend, in which case what is the point of the Labour Party?
 
Of course there's hypocrisy. Starmer did exactly the same thing that those ministers did when they turned on Johnson.
And you can try as much as you want to deny it, but anyone can see it. Unless of course you're that blinded you can't
see that politicians on both sides are capable of hypocrisy and betrayal when it comes to serving their own interests.
And Starmer's no different.
 
Leither said:
Sunak would never get my support . . claimed he helped the public out with furlough but forgot about the 3 million of us who had the guts to set up their own business. When questioned on it by many people including Martin Lewis he just ignored them!!

We were just left high and dry and I'll never forgive the Tories for that. I've paid tax all my live and never claimed a penny but when I needed it there was nothing. Not just a handful of the public but 3 million who were just cast aside.

I had to take a £40K loan out just to keep going.

It sickens me when the Tories come on and say they saved the country.
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That's odd, I know a bloke who was self-employed, and he got about £30,000 from the Covid Self-Employed Income Support Scheme, despite his business being largely unaffected by the pandemic.

Was it a new business? Was that the problem?
 
Lost Seasider said:
That's odd, I know a bloke who was self-employed, and he got about £30,000 from the Covid Self-Employed Income Support Scheme, despite his business being largely unaffected by the pandemic.

Was it a new business? Was that the problem?
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Nope I've been in business 12 years . . . fell through the net like 3 million others.

I lost all my work for the best part of a year . . thankfully busier than ever again now.

I was eligible for a bounce back loan but obviously have to pay it back.
 
Leither said:
Nope I've been in business 12 years . . . fell through the net like 3 million others.

I lost all my work for the best part of a year . . thankfully busier than ever again now.

I was eligible for a bounce back loan but obviously have to pay it back.
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Self-employed or limited company?

Assuming the latter, would you and your employees not have been eligible for the furlough scheme?
 
Leither said:
Sunak would never get my support . . claimed he helped the public out with furlough but forgot about the 3 million of us who had the guts to set up their own business. When questioned on it by many people including Martin Lewis he just ignored them!!

We were just left high and dry and I'll never forgive the Tories for that. I've paid tax all my live and never claimed a penny but when I needed it there was nothing. Not just a handful of the public but 3 million who were just cast aside.

I had to take a £40K loan out just to keep going.

It sickens me when the Tories come on and say they saved the country.
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Hope you're back to doing OK.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Self-employed or limited company?

Assuming the latter, would you and your employees not have been eligible for the furlough scheme?
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Most small company owners take a low salary and the rest as dividends as it’s more tax efficient. As a result they were entitled to very little under the furlough scheme and nothing at all under the self employment income support scheme.
 
L’étranger said:
Most small company owners take a low salary and the rest as dividends as it’s more tax efficient. As a result they were entitled to very little under the furlough scheme and nothing at all under the self employment income support scheme.
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And yet tax on dividends is very low at the basic rate.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
For one, the core of this thread is about the suitability of Tory leadership candidates to be PM. For two, Starmer accepted the role of Shadow SofS for exiting the EU under Jeremy Corbyn. That does not mean that he followed all of Corbyn's views. Once he became leader of the party he came down quickly on those who had allowed anti-semitism to become a narrative with which to beat Labour. Those people included Corbyn and Rebecca Long-Bailey; the latter of whom he had promoted to the Shadow Cabinet when he became leader. If you are condemning Starmer for that then I cannot agree with you. There is certainly no hypocrisy to see here.
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Ah, Wrong-Daily

I was wondering what happened to her, and then I read that she was busy spending the £3,000 donation from the RMT on new wallpaper in the downstairs toilet of her and her husbands £million house.

For the sake of equity, she really is a LWNJ.

May her or Corbyn never again get into a position of power.
 
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