Have we become too entitled?

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Matesrates

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As far as I’m concerned, we should at the very minimum be in the playoffs, indeed I was expecting automatic. The majority on here seem to feel the same, at least we did at the start of the season.

Again, the majority on here blame critchley for the failure and some blame Simon.

I believe we should be a solid championship club with an occasional run at the playoffs. Are we deluding ourselves by thinking we should be in a higher division just because we got there two years ago?
 
I see us as a mid table championship side. I think that’s realistic. I do however appreciate that we’ve had difficult times with many changes recently, and we’ve needed time to adjust and consolidate our expectations over the past few years. So I’m accepting of our current positioning.

I don’t rate Critchley as a manager however, and think another change is due.
 
Interesting our perception of where we are?
If you look at Average attendances we are 7th in Div 1 and would be bottom 2 in Championship based on our average when we were last in the championship.

So pretty much where we are now is about right for our fan base.

You could argue that once the East is done and the training ground we could maybe push on towards 15k average attendance in the Championship and this season that would put us still in the bottom 3
 
On club size we shouldn't be mid table in the Championship. However we also shouldn't be 9th in League One looking like a team with absolutely no idea.
 
I wouldn't say that fans are entitled, but I do think that many have unreal expectations. I actually think that Critchley has done well to get the current squad to the position it is in the table, notwithstanding the "boring" football according to some. On relegation, we lost Yates, Anderson, Rogers, Patino, Bowler to name but a few. Of the incomers, Rhodes started like a house on fire, Pennington is a plus, Morgan has improved, Dembele can be brilliant but is mercurial, and, since January, Byers and Coulson have been OK. Promotion material? I don't think so. I, for one, do not think it has been a bad season overall and I see it as a transitional season. The recuitment has to be better in the summer, that's for sure, if we are to mount a serious challenge for promotion. But it won't be easy; we are in no way entitled to be a championship side and with our low fanbase, will always find it hard to compete at that level. So, entitled, no; but I think a lot of the ill feeling towards the manger on here comes from those who never wanted him back in the first place and are not prepared to give him the time to put his "project" in place.
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
Lower Championship table is about as realistic as you can make it. 9th in the table considering we were Championship last season is an utter disgrace and worthy of a serious boycott next season.
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3 places off play offs. I hardly call that an utter disgrace.
There has to be some tolerance regarding where we should be and where we actually are, and we are still within that margin in my opinion.
 
No. If we aren’t expecting a play off place in league one under a supposedly great owner then we might aswell not bother. We aren’t entitled fans, we are requiring an end to the acceptance of failure as fans.
 
Matesrates said:
As far as I’m concerned, we should at the very minimum be in the playoffs, indeed I was expecting automatic. The majority on here seem to feel the same, at least we did at the start of the season.

Again, the majority on here blame critchley for the failure and some blame Simon.

I believe we should be a solid championship club with an occasional run at the playoffs. Are we deluding ourselves by thinking we should be in a higher division just because we got there two years ago?
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Absolutely.

Less than PO's bearing in mind we were in the Championship can be counted as an abject failure.

This can be attributed to two things:

Poor recruitment (Rhodes, Byers and Coulson the loans exempted)

Dire Management - the worst football and atmosphere at matches since the Hendry years.
 
Crowd size isn't everything but it is a significant indication of where you should probably be in the 92.
My problem this season isn't particularly the league position its the style of football and the blandness of most of the squad. We have had our moments where we have entertained and won but in many ways I enjoyed the home defeat to Peterborough more than the 1 0 win yesterday.
Boring football becomes sort of acceptable if you achieve your goals but if you aren't achieving those goals I feel a bit entitled to some entertainment.
 
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Matesrates said:
As far as I’m concerned, we should at the very minimum be in the playoffs, indeed I was expecting automatic. The majority on here seem to feel the same, at least we did at the start of the season.

Again, the majority on here blame critchley for the failure and some blame Simon.

I believe we should be a solid championship club with an occasional run at the playoffs. Are we deluding ourselves by thinking we should be in a higher division just because we got there two years ago?
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If I were to rephrase your OP I would say you have a valid point. To my mind the fact that we got into the Championship and made a reasonable fist of it is a good reason to say that we have a reasonable expectation that we can do it again. It's not entitlement. Any one who looks at it as an entitlement is probably a bit immature.
 
To answer the question yes - some for good reasons and some because they like to moan . Need to separate results out from performance. Football is a results based industry and at home job done, not so much away but I would point out overall in 32 games out of 42 we have finished with more points than we started.
Performance and style of play different issue, tactics of 3 at the back is fine if the ball moves around quickly with purpose and wide players receive the ball inside the oppositions half. The back 3 also need to actually defend and stop have three marking 1 striker.
Can't see NC going anywhere so unless he changes approach it will be more of the same, results first performance 2nd.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
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If I were to rephrase your OP I would say you have a valid point. To my mind the fact that we got into the Championship and made a reasonable fist of it is a good reason to say that we have a reasonable expectation that we can do it again. It's not entitlement. Any one who looks at it as an entitlement is probably a bit immature.
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Glad I’m not immature.
 
No. Not entitled but perhaps need to reassess our expectations (myself being as guilty as anyone).

I wasn't expecting automatic promotion, but I was expecting top 6. I wasn't overwhelmed with excitement when Critch returned, but as he already has a L1 promotion on his CV, I wasn't overly against it either (although i prefer to recruit new managers rather than reverting back to former managers).

I certainly wasn't expecting so many awful Away results and performances against mid to lower table sides. I think this is what has disappointed me the most, as we would comfortably be in the top 6 with a slightly better Away record.

I feel that Critch has been stubborn with a formation which clearly hasn't worked Away from home, and seemingly being unable to react during games when we're struggling has been another big disappointment.

I said on a separate thread that everything just seems a bit stale around the club, and we need a reset in the summer.

So entitled, no
Disappointed and frustrated, yep.
 
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Dave62 said:
No. Not entitled but perhaps need to reassess our expectations (myself being as guilty as anyone).

I wasn't expecting automatic promotion, but I was expecting top 6. I wasn't overwhelmed with excitement when Critch returned, but as he already has a L1 promotion on his CV, I wasn't overly against it either (although i prefer to recruit new managers rather than reverting back to former managers).

I certainly wasn't expecting so many awful Away results and performances against mid to lower table sides. I think this is what has disappointed me the most, as we would comfortably be in the top 6 with a slightly better Away record.

I feel that Critch has been stubborn with a formation which clearly hasn't worked Away from home, and seemingly being unable to react during games when we're struggling has been another big disappointment.

I said on a separate thread that everything just seems a bit stale around the club, and we need a reset in the summer.

So entitled, no
Disappointed and frustrated, yep.
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Good post.
 
I think there is a degree of entitlement- there are at least another 8 clubs in this league who expected top 6 and we have fallen short
Not catastrophic season by any measure.
I thought we would be there ( top 6)tbh but we've ended up where we deserve to end the season .

I will agree we've been as entertaining as Lenny Henry
 
GEER said:
To answer the question yes - some for good reasons and some because they like to moan . Need to separate results out from performance. Football is a results based industry and at home job done, not so much away but I would point out overall in 32 games out of 42 we have finished with more points than we started.
Performance and style of play different issue, tactics of 3 at the back is fine if the ball moves around quickly with purpose and wide players receive the ball inside the oppositions half. The back 3 also need to actually defend and stop have three marking 1 striker.
Can't see NC going anywhere so unless he changes approach it will be more of the same, results first performance 2nd.
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Can I point out to you that in over a quarter of our matches Blackpool have failed to score.

I love it when the likes of Ryan Hardie and Colby Bishop are deemed not good enough for Blackpool then move to another club and do the business.
What price Lavery getting the hook at the end of the season and wherever he ends up starts scoring for fun!!
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
We should expect the club to do as well as it can, Championship is about right, the problem is demanding it immediately helps no one.
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There's a helluva difference between a team coming up from L2 into L1 and demanding promotion immediately than some-one coming down from the Championship demanding an immediate return. The odds are usually and rightfully favouring the latter. So yep, think it more than reasonable that we should have at the minimum made the play offs. And let's face it, we've barely ever threatened to get in them.
 
All I ever want is to watch our team play good attacking football and it doesn't cost money to do that.
A good solid manager who can turn things around when needed with a group of good young players who want to improve themselves with us and Bloomfield rd bouncing every match day win lose or draw and what a feeling to behold that is.
Young players being coached and wanting to learn and to play the Blackpool way.
It doesn't cost money just good scouting and good habits from the people inside the club from the youth team set up to the first team.
 
Being relegated from the championship you would expect us to be challenging for promotion, we will loose 4 players at the end of the season at least, season ticket prices will go up around £400 at a guess, and going of the state of football over the last few months is it really worth it? We was told by the board when we got promotion to the championship that we over achieved, in saying we it’s the players they meant and can you imagine hearing that as a player we over achieved last season lads! Talk about putting ya players on a downer. Sadler and Critch can fcuk off to Gazza for me the whole ground is drained by these two on match days.
 
20togo said:
There's a helluva difference between a team coming up from L2 into L1 and demanding promotion immediately than some-one coming down from the Championship demanding an immediate return. The odds are usually and rightfully favouring the latter. So yep, think it more than reasonable that we should have at the minimum made the play offs. And let's face it, we've barely ever threatened to get in them.
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Not so sure about that, we're currently above the other two relegated teams. I've no idea how many teams bounce straight back but I bet it's under 20 percent. It took those lot down the road four seasons.
 
I feel we have a right to demand better entertainment but not a better league position. Better league position comes down to things coming together, on and off the pitch, and is never down to one person. Going back to Critch didn't feel right though. He chose to move on, coming back with his tail between his legs was never a great look or feel, or basis for a fresh start after last season's disappointments.
 
We were terrible last season worst in the championship and lost some big players at the end of the season .

To expect automatic or even play offs was a big ask imo new recruitment team new manager need time to bed in.

Bolton have been trying to get up for a couple of seasons and haven’t managed it

I take the point re entertainment but let’s face it none of the teams we’ve played have been particularly good except possibly Peterborough.

That said I’m expecting big things next season from the manager and the recruitment team. They need to deliver.

We need to get out of league 1 asap.
 
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clappers said:
No. If we aren’t expecting a play off place in league one under a supposedly great owner then we might aswell not bother. We aren’t entitled fans, we are requiring an end to the acceptance of failure as fans.
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Nope.

We should expect it but not getting it after one season isn't a reason to 'not bother' or accept that we're failures, that's clearly ridiculous. If next season starts like this season Critchley will be gone, Sadler has shown and stated he wants the Championship, I've no reason to believe he's lying, have you?
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
Lower Championship table is about as realistic as you can make it. 9th in the table considering we were Championship last season is an utter disgrace and worthy of a serious boycott next season.
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Just go and watch City with your Son…I believe you posted he was a fan of them some time ago.
Fans,if you are,like you we don’t need.
By the way I have seen us play in the old first division,the Premiership,but also for a very large part what were the old 3rd and 4th division ( and now league 1 and 2)including us having to reapply to maintain the latter.
Too many fair weather fans like you ( if you are)sadly…and yes of course I’d love us to be as high in the pyramid as possible but it doesn’t always happen.
Boycott …well go ahead,we don’t need the likes of you.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
If you are comparing attendances we should be 1000/1500 higher as no other club restricts away fans the way we do

As for expectations like others I expect to be entertained not bored senseless by prosaic football that doesn’t even produce results
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An extra 1500 fans still puts us as 7th in LG1, so one place better than we are now.
I would perceive us as a mid Championship club too but then on paper we are not. We are where we rightly are in terms of revenue.

However….. the football is boring and our striker group just has not performed barring Rhodes upto December. Dembele has been our excitement and about 4 or 5 games where CJ looked like a footballer before he got a contract
 
By the end of every season, 21 clubs are going to be pissed off and blame players, owners and managers as the reason they didn't get promotion.
Sunderland, Portsmouth and other 'big' clubs have thrown millions at getting out of League 1 without success....so why should we be different?

League 1 isn't a pretty place to 'play' football, and maybe Critch is trying to play a possession based football system and this doesn't look as good as kicking the shit out of other teams and 'grinding out' a win.....not much entertainment in that?

BUT....when it works, we do have a decent team....The loss of Rhodes, has been a major effect and many of these players are League 1 at best

I think we need to give Critch next season to show if he can do it.......
 
NO, definitely not entitled, but looking at the players We have and wages We paying should definitely be automatically promoted and very least top 6.
However having the worst manager in league 1 we are where we are ...... not good enough and that's not being entitled.
 
bleach51 said:
Just go and watch City with your Son…I believe you posted he was a fan of them some time ago.
Fans,if you are,like you we don’t need.
By the way I have seen us play in the old first division,the Premiership,but also for a very large part what were the old 3rd and 4th division ( and now league 1 and 2)including us having to reapply to maintain the latter.
Too many fair weather fans like you ( if you are)sadly…and yes of course I’d love us to be as high in the pyramid as possible but it doesn’t always happen.
Boycott …well go ahead,we don’t need the likes of you.
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Blackpool need fans like me. Fans like me turn 4k gates into 10k whether you like to admit that or not.
 
B_Side_The_C_Side said:
By the end of every season, 21 clubs are going to be pissed off and blame players, owners and managers as the reason they didn't get promotion.
Sunderland, Portsmouth and other 'big' clubs have thrown millions at getting out of League 1 without success....so why should we be different?

League 1 isn't a pretty place to 'play' football, and maybe Critch is trying to play a possession based football system and this doesn't look as good as kicking the shit out of other teams and 'grinding out' a win.....not much entertainment in that?

BUT....when it works, we do have a decent team....The loss of Rhodes, has been a major effect and many of these players are League 1 at best

I think we need to give Critch next season to show if he can do it.......
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The manager is shit and the football has been shit. £350 has been spent on shit.. NO I WILL NOT CRITCHLEY ANOTHER SEASON AND £350+....
 

Have we become too entitled?​

Entitled for what? If you saying that as fans we feel we should be doing better than what we are? then the answer is probably, yes. But with the players we have, managed by a very poor manager who is given carte blanché to do whatever he wants by the owner then it isn't any wonder fans are pissed off. I dont think entitled is the right word.."bored shitless" might serve better.
 
Seasider1 said:
NO, definitely not entitled, but looking at the players We have and wages We paying should definitely be automatically promoted and very least top 6.
However having the worst manager in league 1 we are where we are ...... not good enough and that's not being entitled.
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Just out of interest, which of our players would get into a top 2 team in this division?
Then who in top 6?

Dembele and which other 7 or 8?
 
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