Haz and Megs’ problem goes nuclear.

How can any ordinary person really support the palace on this? Everybody getting excited because they’ve never investigated one of their own before.

They’ll investigate this but not Andrew. They’re scum, and the faster they fall apart the better.
 
The American media is going to town on the 'racist' Royal Family this morning. Bizarre when you consider that the Queen is monarch to one third of the world's population and the USA is the most racist country on the planet. As Thomas Markle said, the accusations of racism are bullshit.

As for Piers Morgan, isn't he allowed an opinion? I suspect he's echoing the views of many people about Meghan. Suicidal? I doubt it very much.
 
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Alf said:
How can any ordinary person really support the palace on this? Everybody getting excited because they’ve never investigated one of their own before.

They’ll investigate this but not Andrew. They’re scum, and the faster they fall apart the better.
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I'm not taking sides either way Alf, as I'm very much in the "a plague on both your houses" camp.

But to answer your question, setting the race dimension aside, I think a lot of people suspect that MM is a mendacious, calculating and destructive little shit who knows exactly what she is doing. Her husband, like the rest of his family, is really not bright enough to understand what it happening.

My view is that there will be big questions to answer once Brenda is no longer with us. Her extraordinary life of public service has papered over a lot of cracks, and in the 21st century people are increasingly wondering why we direct so much money, time and deference towards a family that makes very little contribution to the quality of all our lives.
 
I watched an interview with Megyn Kelly who is a top broadcaster in the Oprah mould.
She really had a go at Oprah and Megan.
Worth a watch if you google her.
It was on TV with a British chat show host.
 
Davepick said:
I watched an interview with Megyn Kelly who is a top broadcaster in the Oprah mould.
She really had a go at Oprah and Megan.
Worth a watch if you google her.
It was on TV with a British chat show host.
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I think that might just be rivals breaking into political sides. Though I have not seen it, so don’t know the actual words.
Oprah is Democrat/Biden. Megan Kelly is ex-Fox News and so quite right-wing. Though she is no fan of Trump nor is he of her. But I do think that opinions of Haz and Megs in the USA are polarising along these two political attitudes. Freedom/Liberal vs Duty/Tradition.
 
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I watched an interview with Megyn Kelly who is a top broadcaster in the Oprah mould.
She really had a go at Oprah and Megan.
Worth a watch if you google her.
It was on TV with a British chat show host.
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She was on GMB yesterday(?).
Sings from the same hymn sheet as Piers Morgan.
 
Give it a week and it will be yesterday's news.

An institution which has lasted 1000 years, isn't going to crumble because on of its members married a mixed race actress who didn't know what she was marrying in to and found it difficult.

I've not watched the Oprah interview, I stumbled across MM's dad this morning on telly.

I think the fact she lives 70 miles away and she won't go over and see him, with his grandson is sad, it really is.

Still, it'll all blow over and hopefully, they can crack on with living the lives of a celebrity couple which will make them both happy.
 
basilrobbie said:
I'm not taking sides either way Alf, as I'm very much in the "a plague on both your houses" camp.

But to answer your question, setting the race dimension aside, I think a lot of people suspect that MM is a mendacious, calculating and destructive little shit who knows exactly what she is doing. Her husband, like the rest of his family, is really not bright enough to understand what it happening.

My view is that there will be big questions to answer once Brenda is no longer with us. Her extraordinary life of public service has papered over a lot of cracks, and in the 21st century people are increasingly wondering why we direct so much money, time and deference towards a family that makes very little contribution to the quality of all our lives.
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I appreciate your general sentiment, I share some of your intuition regards MM but when I ask myself where that comes from the best I can come up with is a mixture between facial expression and what the press have told me. Of course she is going to be difficult, driven, high maintenance, manipulative, etc. that is the general mark of somebody who goes into the sort of industry she made her career in, and of somebody even remotely willing to marry royalty. As a face and a voice I do find her to be irritating and hard to sympathise with. But I don't see that any of that really matters with regard to the current debate playing out in public. The question is whether the RF is absolutely bonkers really, and we don't need Oprah to answer that one.

Regards this soapy saga, if it does indeed turn out that they're not only bonkers but discriminatory and cult-like and MM is the person to lift the lid that last half a degree on it, then so be it! Even if she is a bitch, which like I say I have absolutely no idea, in fact this Oprah interview is the first time I've heard her speak, I'm happy for her to be 'the wrong bitch' to pick a fight with if it's the undoing of the RF.

My only real point is that for anybody to take the side of the Royals in anyway is crazy and more than a little sad. It should really be quite an outrageous thing that they don't even talk about Andrew, yet they launch an internal investigation into Meghan for allegedly being a bully. I mean I'm sure she was in some ways, I'm sure they all are. Even the way Kate and William talk to the common rabble at charity events is, IMO, skin-crawlingly condescending. How can the belief you are better by birthright than anybody else *not* lead to narcissism whether it's bullying or racism or brown-nosing an international mega-paedo? Alright maybe the last one was avoidable.

They are very expensive scum.

I agree Lizbo is the least scum-like of them, and if we can call curtains on the whole charade after she dies then at least we can have a heroic ending and some sepia-toned memories of this stupid, meaningless, unaffordable pantomime.
 
TSSeasider said:
Give it a week and it will be yesterday's news.

An institution which has lasted 1000 years, isn't going to crumble because on of its members married a mixed race actress who didn't know what she was marrying in to and found it difficult.

I've not watched the Oprah interview, I stumbled across MM's dad this morning on telly.

I think the fact she lives 70 miles away and she won't go over and see him, with his grandson is sad, it really is.

Still, it'll all blow over and hopefully, they can crack on with living the lives of a celebrity couple which will make them both happy.
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I think there will be a period of silence, a brief statement to say they remain close and valued members of the family, we wish them well in their new lives in America, and then they’ll be persona non grata for a long time to come. I doubt Charles will be keen to mend fences any time soon
 
Tangojoe said:
Dominique Samuels has written a good article about this bust-up being about different cultures not colour. I think she's right.


www.dailymail.co.uk

DOMINIQUE SAMUELS: This clash of the Royals was about culture

DOMINIQUE SAMUELS: Who can forget the goodwill that gripped this country in the run-up to the wedding of Prince Harry and his bride-to-be?
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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Classic Mail. They've had to draft in a BAME freelance to spin this angle because they have such little representation in their own ranks.

Edit: And it's a dreadful article, people need to learn to read critically as this is pure spin with no logic whatsoever.

"You cannot offer warm words for the Queen, yet in the same breath claim the institution she heads is racist. " - yes, you clearly can, and in the interview she explains in detail the distinction between individuals and the cult they're tied to.

That's the positive prejudice so many on here moan about all the time but will probably conveniently ignore in this case, they've not found any BAME journalist worth their salt who could write the angle they wanted so instead they've found one who isn't.
 
TSSeasider said:
Give it a week and it will be yesterday's news.

An institution which has lasted 1000 years, isn't going to crumble because on of its members married a mixed race actress who didn't know what she was marrying in to and found it difficult.

I've not watched the Oprah interview, I stumbled across MM's dad this morning on telly.

I think the fact she lives 70 miles away and she won't go over and see him, with his grandson is sad, it really is.

Still, it'll all blow over and hopefully, they can crack on with living the lives of a celebrity couple which will make them both happy.
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"Still, it'll all blow over and hopefully, they can crack on with living the lives of a celebrity couple which will make them both happy." Unfortunately, I don't think it will blow over because these inflammatory comments are where their money is coming from.
 
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"Still, it'll all blow over and hopefully, they can crack on with living the lives of a celebrity couple which will make them both happy." Unfortunately, I don't think it will blow over because these inflammatory comments are where their money is coming from.
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They can only say it once though; from now on it'll be 'heard it all before'

She could go back to acting after her maternity leave.
 
My wife said many, many years ago that the RF were dysfunctional and if they were from a council estate some of them would have either ended up in care or in prison. This soap opera hasn't changed that view
 
Unconscious racism tends to be an older generation thing. I am not describing virulent, nasty, discrimination.

So my bet is on the “wicked stepmother”, allegedly, who had a narrow upper class upbringing, had a very poor and limited education, married a posh Army officer and has done little service relating to real people. Just a guess, nothing more. Harry might throw her under the bus but Charles will not - another aspect of the father-son disharmony?
 
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You literally know nothing about her. I couldn't give a toss, but let's not make stuff up.
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Clearly you haven`t grasped what the word "literally" actually means in the above context..I know no more and no less than most others on here about her but because she has been so much under public scrutiny we have learnt a significant amount about her upon which most of us have formed an opinion.

So your comment that I "literally" know nothing about her is literally a load of nonsense.
 
Will be interesting to see how the Palace responds

Do they go soft and by doing so accept the narrative or do they come out fighting and challenge the accusations levelled at them which are currently very vague and risk an escalation

Either way how do they effectively address the charge that senior members of the family and institution are racist
 
Alf said:
Classic Mail. They've had to draft in a BAME freelance to spin this angle because they have such little representation in their own ranks.

Edit: And it's a dreadful article, people need to learn to read critically as this is pure spin with no logic whatsoever.

"You cannot offer warm words for the Queen, yet in the same breath claim the institution she heads is racist. " - yes, you clearly can, and in the interview she explains in detail the distinction between individuals and the cult they're tied to.

That's the positive prejudice so many on here moan about all the time but will probably conveniently ignore in this case, they've not found any BAME journalist worth their salt who could write the angle they wanted so instead they've found one who isn't.
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Nonsense
 
Alf said:
I appreciate your general sentiment, I share some of your intuition regards MM but when I ask myself where that comes from the best I can come up with is a mixture between facial expression and what the press have told me. Of course she is going to be difficult, driven, high maintenance, manipulative, etc. that is the general mark of somebody who goes into the sort of industry she made her career in, and of somebody even remotely willing to marry royalty. As a face and a voice I do find her to be irritating and hard to sympathise with. But I don't see that any of that really matters with regard to the current debate playing out in public. The question is whether the RF is absolutely bonkers really, and we don't need Oprah to answer that one.

Regards this soapy saga, if it does indeed turn out that they're not only bonkers but discriminatory and cult-like and MM is the person to lift the lid that last half a degree on it, then so be it! Even if she is a bitch, which like I say I have absolutely no idea, in fact this Oprah interview is the first time I've heard her speak, I'm happy for her to be 'the wrong bitch' to pick a fight with if it's the undoing of the RF.

My only real point is that for anybody to take the side of the Royals in anyway is crazy and more than a little sad. It should really be quite an outrageous thing that they don't even talk about Andrew, yet they launch an internal investigation into Meghan for allegedly being a bully. I mean I'm sure she was in some ways, I'm sure they all are. Even the way Kate and William talk to the common rabble at charity events is, IMO, skin-crawlingly condescending. How can the belief you are better by birthright than anybody else *not* lead to narcissism whether it's bullying or racism or brown-nosing an international mega-paedo? Alright maybe the last one was avoidable.

They are very expensive scum.

I agree Lizbo is the least scum-like of them, and if we can call curtains on the whole charade after she dies then at least we can have a heroic ending and some sepia-toned memories of this stupid, meaningless, unaffordable pantomime.
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Alf said:
Classic Mail. They've had to draft in a BAME freelance to spin this angle because they have such little representation in their own ranks.

Edit: And it's a dreadful article, people need to learn to read critically as this is pure spin with no logic whatsoever.

"You cannot offer warm words for the Queen, yet in the same breath claim the institution she heads is racist. " - yes, you clearly can, and in the interview she explains in detail the distinction between individuals and the cult they're tied to.

That's the positive prejudice so many on here moan about all the time but will probably conveniently ignore in this case, they've not found any BAME journalist worth their salt who could write the angle they wanted so instead they've found one who isn't.
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I'll give you one thing, you're consistent. Consistently dumb.
 
The more the Palace responds the more they give the oxygen of ongoing publicity to this seedy interview and entering into any potential slanging match is not I would have thought a place they would want to visit.Silence is golden I would have thought in a case like this ,don`t sink to Harry and Meghan`s money grubbing attempt to wash any minimal dirty laundry in public.

Unless you share an outlook with the likes of the consistently dimwitted Diane Abbott you can treat this interview with the contempt it deserves.
 
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There’s a touch of a racist in Harry himself in my opinion it wasn’t all that long ago he dressed as a Nazi at a party, the enemy that killed thousands of brits in the war as well as 6 million jewish souls. If meant as a funny costume i have to be a karen and find it very distasteful
 
1950`spoolfan said:
The more the Palace responds the more they give the oxygen of ongoing publicity to this seedy interview and entering into any potential slanging match is not I would have thought a place they would want to visit.Silence is golden I would have thought in a case like this ,don`t sink to Harry and Meghan`s money grubbing attempt to wash any minimal dirty laundry in public.

Unless you share an outlook with the likes of the consistently dimwitted Diane Abbott you can treat this interview with the contempt it deserves.
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You mean like Prince Andrew did? Or Charles back in the 90s?
 
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1950`spoolfan said:
The more the Palace responds the more they give the oxygen of ongoing publicity to this seedy interview and entering into any potential slanging match is not I would have thought a place they would want to visit.Silence is golden I would have thought in a case like this ,don`t sink to Harry and Meghan`s money grubbing attempt to wash any minimal dirty laundry in public.

Unless you share an outlook with the likes of the consistently dimwitted Diane Abbott you can treat this interview with the contempt it deserves.
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It's very easy to dismiss Diane Abbott but it is fair to acknowledge that she does have some experience of the sort of thing that MM experienced at the hands of the UK media, so in all likelihood has a more informed opinion than most of us. She is another black woman who is and has been constantly vilified by our media, to the extent that someone on a message board, like yourself, can be so dismissive of her because she holds a different view to your own. It is not surprising that she thinks differently to you on this because (I assume) you have never been the subject of a prolonged campaign of vilification by the UK media. As for your 'consistently dim witted' remark, may I enquire whether you qualified and graduated from Oxbridge like DA? Or have you ever set a precedent like being the first ever black woman MP in our parliament? Diane Abbot has many achievements that would put most of us to shame and her voice has as much right to be heard as anyone's.

What I find amazing about this is that so many people seem to be so dismissive of the claims of racism or claims of poor mental health. How can you possibly know?
 
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Archibald Knox said:
Unconscious racism tends to be an older generation thing. I am not describing virulent, nasty, discrimination.

So my bet is on the “wicked stepmother”, allegedly, who had a narrow upper class upbringing, married an Army officer and has done little service relating to real people. Just a guess, nothing more. Harry might throw her under the bus but Charles will not - another aspect of the father-son disharmony?
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Bang on
My money would go on Camilla.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Will be interesting to see how the Palace responds

Do they go soft and by doing so accept the narrative or do they come out fighting and challenge the accusations levelled at them which are currently very vague and risk an escalation

Either way how do they effectively address the charge that senior members of the family and institution are racist
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Do nothing. It’s a media frenzy not a serious national issue. They will calculate that getting drawn into this in detail is the worst thing they could do, so if we do hear anything it will be a “we’re looking carefully into the many sensitive issues voiced in the programme” and then radio silence.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
You mean like Prince Andrew did? Or Charles back in the 90s?
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No but the clear lesson is there to learn from how wrong they both got it by going public , although Andrew`s behaviour was appalling anyway but his subsequent interview just ensured that many more people became aware of it.
 
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Megans' Dad was on this a.m.
He said 'The Brits aren't racist. Los Angeles and California are racist, but the Brits aren't'.
Is he having a little go at Megan?
Why doesn't Harry come out and say who it was?
It's probably some old dear croaking a comment to her friend, and she doesn't know what all the fuss is about.
Or is Harry just content to let it fester for a week or two?
 
Johnson must be loving this. The brexit shitshow firmly swept under the carpet, maybe he's paying Megs and Hazza?
 
1950`spoolfan said:
No but the clear lesson is there to learn from how wrong they both got it by going public , although Andrew`s behaviour was appalling anyway but his subsequent interview just ensured that many more people became aware of it.
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Actually, it was HMQ herself who first exposed the RF to the public in authorising the documentary film “The Royal Family” which aired on BBC1 and ITV in June 1969. She later got cold feet about what it showed... that the RF was quite ordinary and dull really... and she has had it banned from being shown since 1977. Although a copy leaked onto the internet last year.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
It's very easy to dismiss Diane Abbott but it is fair to acknowledge that she does have some experience of the sort of thing that MM experienced at the hands of the UK media, so in all likelihood has a more informed opinion than most of us. She is another black woman who is and has been constantly vilified by our media, to the extent that someone on a message board, like yourself, can be so dismissive of her because she holds a different view to your own. It is not surprising that she thinks differently to you on this because (I assume) you have never been the subject of a prolonged campaign of vilification by the UK media. As for your 'consistently dim witted' remark, may I enquire whether you qualified and graduated from Oxbridge like DA? Or have you ever set a precedent like being the first ever black woman MP in our parliament? Diane Abbot has many achievements that would put most of us to shame and her voice has as much right to be heard as anyone's.

What I find amazing about this is that so many people seem to be so dismissive of the claims of racism or claims of poor mental health. How can you possibly know?
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I am tempted to say your post is a load of wishy washy liberal bollocks from the depressing obsessively politically correct wing who seem to have nothing better to do than to search for reasons, however minimal, from which to take the much sought after levels of offence needed to fulfill their sad little lives.

As for Diane Abbott I form conclusions not on the colour of her skin, not on any of her certificates or degrees, academic attainment is far from the same as wisdom and judgement as she so well illustrates, but simply on the many occasions I have had to listen to or read her ill informed as well as hopelessly innumerate and unbalanced comments and opinions the result of which it`s she along with Jeremy Corbyn who have been understandably discredited not just by me but by the voting public at large, thus rightly keeping the Labour party as it stood, far away from governing this country doing no favours for the more balanced and well informed members of that party.
 
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BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I think you’d be surprised mates... I expect the balance is more like 50/50.... 😉

I don’t know where these two are going either, but I do know that these kinds of rifts between families are not a great foundation for any relationship.

Of course the Royal Family isn’t exactly renowned for its ability to honour their wedding vows regardless mind you😂.... Even Phil the Greek was dipping his wick behind the queen’s back for a time.
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Now this might be treason... but there have even been society rumours that Andrew may not have been fathered by Phil the Greek. Andrew resembles no one else in his horsey face family. At the time, HMQ was very close to Lord Porchester, who became the 7th Earl of Carnarvon and was her racing manager. When he died in 2001, HMQ sent a wreath on which her message was “The price of love is grief”. DNA tests all round ! 💉
 
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Now this might be treason... but there have even been society rumours that Andrew was not fathered by Phil the Greek. Andrew resembles no one else in his horsey face family. At the time, HMQ was very close to Lord Porchester, who became the 7th Earl of Carnarvon and was her racing manager. When he died in 2001, HMQ sent a wreath on which her message was “The price of love is grief”. DNA tests all round ! 💉
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Was that in The Crown Archie?
 
Davepick said:
Megans' Dad was on this a.m.
He said 'The Brits aren't racist. Los Angeles and California are racist, but the Brits aren't'.
Is he having a little go at Megan?
Why doesn't Harry come out and say who it was?
It's probably some old dear croaking a comment to her friend, and she doesn't know what all the fuss is about.
Or is Harry just content to let it fester for a week or two?
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I don’t think he’ll come out and say who it is because it’s possibly slander if it hasn’t been said in the context or exact way they are selling it to the public as.
And as it was Meghan who divulged the comment when pushed into a slight corner during the interview we don’t know if it was something Harry actually wanted to share.
The other thing is, this person can’t defend themselves if they haven’t been named, therefore officially accused. It leaves them unable to reply with their truth and the royal family accused of universal racism by default and Chinese whispers and precious little else.
 
Then why doesn’t the person simply come clean and admit it was them? They could say they did not mean it in any nasty way and the question was interpreted completely wrongly by Harry. In the current atmosphere they would probably get away with it. Especially if the person was not in line to the crown. Harry is very unlikely to argue back, I would have thought. But the longer it festers the worse it gets. It will come out eventually.
 
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