Haz and Megs’ problem goes nuclear.

Biggest clue to the “Royal Racist” yet. Look who the Daily Heil has made the main subject in the centre photo at the top of its web site (now removed)... very unusual for her to be so prominent in a photo when with Charles. And they are now turning the screw. And if the fear is that Harry will name the person then it’s not likely to be his father or brother. It’s now odds-on, imho.

I think that’s it for me speculating on this story and thread now. It’s getting more unpleasant by the day.
 
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HMQ’s statement was well crafted. It said no more and no less than the bare minimum it had to state.
But “some recollections may vary” is akin to saying “but you have got no proof”.
Expect a long period of silence now.
 
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If he had any feelings for his grandmother he could have bided his time until his father became heir to the throne. He’s dragged Megan into his bitter feud with his family.
 
Archibald Knox said:
HMQ’s statement was well crafted. It said no more and no less than the bare minimum it had to state.
But “some recollections may vary” is akin to saying “but you have got no proof”.
Expect a long period of silence now.
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Or akin to ‘ it wasn’t said like that ‘
 
tangerine.com said:
If he had any feelings for his grandmother he could have bided his time until his father became heir to the throne. He’s dragged Megan into his bitter feud with his family.
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Eh? His father is heir to the throne. I think you meant wait until his father succeeded as monarch.
But given the Queen Mother lasted until 101 yo, that could have meant another 6+ years.
 
TangerineBayern said:
This is getting really messy and l can only see it ending in Ginge and Whinge being stripped of their royal titles and quite rightly so. The OW interview on Sunday is only going to damage themselves, The Royal Family and relationships between them even more. Game over now!
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ElBurroSinNombre said:
It's very easy to dismiss Diane Abbott but it is fair to acknowledge that she does have some experience of the sort of thing that MM experienced at the hands of the UK media, so in all likelihood has a more informed opinion than most of us. She is another black woman who is and has been constantly vilified by our media, to the extent that someone on a message board, like yourself, can be so dismissive of her because she holds a different view to your own. It is not surprising that she thinks differently to you on this because (I assume) you have never been the subject of a prolonged campaign of vilification by the UK media. As for your 'consistently dim witted' remark, may I enquire whether you qualified and graduated from Oxbridge like DA? Or have you ever set a precedent like being the first ever black woman MP in our parliament? Diane Abbot has many achievements that would put most of us to shame and her voice has as much right to be heard as anyone's.

What I find amazing about this is that so many people seem to be so dismissive of the claims of racism or claims of poor mental health. How can you possibly know?
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I agree with every word of that - in the abstract.

She is, however, the exception that proves the rule. In my opinion, naturally. 😀
 
Lala said:
They no longer want to have any British media attention, apparently, and most of us are quite happy with that too.
So winner winner it we just leave them completely be in the USA as ex royals who we don’t need to know about anymore 👍
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Sadly, I don’t think ITV will leave it alone. They are record-busting ratings winners.
 
Prince Harry was 12 years old when he was paraded in front of the world behind his mothers coffin. He's served his country, raised money for veterans and had the balls to walk away. The contrast in headlines between MM and Kate after doing exactly the same thing (holding the baby bump in public and the avocado incident) are two examples of the press, similar to the shit that Raheem Stirling has been subjected to, its sinister.
I wouldn't have recommended they did the interview but good luck to them, I wish them all the best. The Royal family isn't my cup of tea and they are no more than exhibits in the zoo, I wouldn't wish that life on anyone.
 
My last point on the matter, most people assume its Meghan pulling the strings. After the treatment of his mother maybe he's the one pulling the strings and sharpening the axe.
 
basilrobbie said:
I'm not taking sides either way Alf, as I'm very much in the "a plague on both your houses" camp.

But to answer your question, setting the race dimension aside, I think a lot of people suspect that MM is a mendacious, calculating and destructive little shit who knows exactly what she is doing. Her husband, like the rest of his family, is really not bright enough to understand what it happening.

My view is that there will be big questions to answer once Brenda is no longer with us. Her extraordinary life of public service has papered over a lot of cracks, and in the 21st century people are increasingly wondering why we direct so much money, time and deference towards a family that makes very little contribution to the quality of all our lives.
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Archibald Knox said:
I think that might just be rivals breaking into political sides. Though I have not seen it, so don’t know the actual words.
Oprah is Democrat/Biden. Megan Kelly is ex-Fox News and so quite right-wing. Though she is no fan of Trump nor is he of her. But I do think that opinions of Haz and Megs in the USA are polarising along these two political attitudes. Freedom/Liberal vs Duty/Tradition.
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Megan's dad today said that Prince Harry should have protected her (he did have £15M to pay for the best help) instead Harry admitted on the Opera show that he was too embarrassed to mention it to his family!!
 
Davepick said:
I've been thinking about things Megan said to Oprah Winfrey.
She said that she was near a nervous breakdown. She also said that she'd contemplated suicide.
I've been around for a long time now, and that is the quickest recovery from either of those conditions that I've ever known.
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Did people actually watch this nonsense? In what way does any of it impact on your life? I can't believe that anyone would waste hours of their life watching it.
 
If people, and the press, knew about Royal Procedure they would be better informed.
All this cr@p about Harry & Megs kids not being made princes etc is easily answered.
Princes/Princesses are announced when the throne goes to the next in line.
So, when the Queen either dies, or abdicates (not much chance there), Charles will become King.
Immediately the children of Harry & Megan become Prince/Princess.
That is, unless all this bad publicity changes things.
Of course Megan could throw a wobbler and say she doesn't want that. Hardly likely though.
 
Davepick said:
If people, and the press, knew about Royal Procedure they would be better informed.
All this cr@p about Harry & Megs kids not being made princes etc is easily answered.
Princes/Princesses are announced when the throne goes to the next in line.
So, when the Queen either dies, or abdicates (not much chance there), Charles will become King.
Immediately the children of Harry & Megan become Prince/Princess.
That is, unless all this bad publicity changes things.
Of course Megan could throw a wobbler and say she doesn't want that. Hardly likely though.
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I don’t think that was her gripe though, Dave.
In the interview she acknowledged that she knew of and accepted the protocols which assigned the titles of Prince/Princess, but (if I got this right) William’s 2nd and 3rd kids, as well as other Royal babies (?), weren’t entitled to be called Prince and Princesses either, but had received dispensation from the Queen to over-ride the protocol.
 
All the kids of someone who is in the direct line of inheriting the crown are Princes and Princesses, AFAIK.
It’s the offshoot branches who are not.
 
Johnno said:
I don’t think that was her gripe though, Dave.
In the interview she acknowledged that she knew of and accepted the protocols which assigned the titles of Prince/Princess, but (if I got this right) William’s 2nd and 3rd kids, as well as other Royal babies (?), weren’t entitled to be called Prince and Princesses either, but had received dispensation from the Queen to over-ride the protocol.
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The impression she gave was that Archie not being a Prince was racist.
 
Davepick said:
Megans' Dad was on this a.m.
He said 'The Brits aren't racist. Los Angeles and California are racist, but the Brits aren't'.
Is he having a little go at Megan?
Why doesn't Harry come out and say who it was?
It's probably some old dear croaking a comment to her friend, and she doesn't know what all the fuss is about.
Or is Harry just content to let it fester for a week or two?
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Threepeaksphil said:
The impression she gave was that Archie not being a Prince was racist.
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I’m sure that’s the impression she intended.
My point was that although Archie isn’t entitled to be called Prince, other Royal babies in the same position had been given permission to use the title, and Archie hadn’t.
That’s all on record, we can only guess at the reason.
 
Johnno said:
I’m sure that’s the impression she intended.
My point was that although Archie isn’t entitled to be called Prince, other Royal babies in the same position had been given permission to use the title, and Archie hadn’t.
That’s all on record, we can only guess at the reason.
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I think the only others given the princessly dispensation have been Beatrice and Eugenie, Andrew’s daughters. But they get the treatment because they are “male-line grandchildren of the sovereign”. Archie is a “male-line great-grandchild of the sovereign” so has to wait until Charles is monarch. But if the crown skips a generation and William is the next monarch, then Archie never becomes a prince. The rules are very arcane.

Beatrice and Eugenie are not in the direct line of succession, so could have been passed over, except for Andrew’s ego and him pressurising his Mum as her favourite child. As Charles has said “my brother’s problem is that he thinks he should be me”.
 
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Old_Laytonian said:
It looks like SSN again this morning whilst having my breakfast
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The only sane response to this.
Alf said:
I appreciate your general sentiment, I share some of your intuition regards MM but when I ask myself where that comes from the best I can come up with is a mixture between facial expression and what the press have told me. Of course she is going to be difficult, driven, high maintenance, manipulative, etc. that is the general mark of somebody who goes into the sort of industry she made her career in, and of somebody even remotely willing to marry royalty. As a face and a voice I do find her to be irritating and hard to sympathise with. But I don't see that any of that really matters with regard to the current debate playing out in public. The question is whether the RF is absolutely bonkers really, and we don't need Oprah to answer that one.

Regards this soapy saga, if it does indeed turn out that they're not only bonkers but discriminatory and cult-like and MM is the person to lift the lid that last half a degree on it, then so be it! Even if she is a bitch, which like I say I have absolutely no idea, in fact this Oprah interview is the first time I've heard her speak, I'm happy for her to be 'the wrong bitch' to pick a fight with if it's the undoing of the RF.

My only real point is that for anybody to take the side of the Royals in anyway is crazy and more than a little sad. It should really be quite an outrageous thing that they don't even talk about Andrew, yet they launch an internal investigation into Meghan for allegedly being a bully. I mean I'm sure she was in some ways, I'm sure they all are. Even the way Kate and William talk to the common rabble at charity events is, IMO, skin-crawlingly condescending. How can the belief you are better by birthright than anybody else *not* lead to narcissism whether it's bullying or racism or brown-nosing an international mega-paedo? Alright maybe the last one was avoidable.

They are very expensive scum.

I agree Lizbo is the least scum-like of them, and if we can call curtains on the whole charade after she dies then at least we can have a heroic ending and some sepia-toned memories of this stupid, meaningless, unaffordable pantomime.
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I'll never, ever get the royal thing. I am baffled as to how people can subscribe to the idea of a meritocracy then also in the same breath declare their love for the royals. Don't get it at all. As you say, the idea of some kind inherent right to rule (at least symbolically) by birthright. Weird.

Tbh, as people, I just ignore them so I don't really have view on them beyond very shallow impressions you can't avoid, i.e. Andrew is a wrong un....

I sort of feel sorry for them. It's weird. It's like they're in a zoo. Yes, they're well kept,well fed but they're born into completely strange lives, freaks if you like, who can't aspire to normality at all.

I don't really get celebrity culture full stop but the royals never aspired to it. They were just born and became public property ever after.

Weird.
 
I don’t know why they put up with a “life of duty”. OK, so they have people bowing and scraping before them, and they get paid a good wedge with plenty of servants, but their days are filled with most interminably boring tasks, such as opening Community Centres etc. Just a step above formally opening a supermarket.

And it’s not as if many of them tend to immerse themselves in really interesting stuff, like science, art and culture, though they could. I suppose Wills gets his pick of whatever football match he wants. Does anyone know if Koko had a plaque installed above the seat that Wills sat in for our Wolves Prem match? You know, something along the lines “the future King of England sat here on 20th November 2010”.
 
Archibald Knox said:
I don’t know why they put up with a “life of duty”. OK, so they have people bowing and scraping before them, and they get paid a good wedge with plenty of servants, but their days are filled with most interminably boring tasks, such as opening Community Centres etc. Just a step above formally opening a supermarket.

And it’s not as if many of them tend to immerse themselves in really interesting stuff, like science, art and culture, though they could. I suppose Wills gets his pick of whatever football match he wants. Does anyone know if Koko had a plaque installed above the seat that Wills sat in for our Wolves Prem match? You know, something along the lines “the future King of England sat here on 20th November 2010”.
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I agree with that.
But there’s something much worse about not wanting to work the inanely boring stuff yet still want to keep your titles, privileges and public funding that has irked the majority in this case.
I salute any royal who wishes to leave the institution, but only if they don’t expect to hold onto the trappings.
 
Archibald Knox said:
Then why doesn’t the person simply come clean and admit it was them? They could say they did not mean it in any nasty way and the question was interpreted completely wrongly by Harry. In the current atmosphere they would probably get away with it. Especially if the person was not in line to the crown. Harry is very unlikely to argue back, I would have thought. But the longer it festers the worse it gets. It will come out eventually.
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It was all bullshit why are people taken in by these two attention seeking fraudsters, cant wait until Harry is tossed to the side once shes bored.
 
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