Honest Answers: Critchley

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Not an over-reactive thread, a daft poll of just an excuse for some WUM’s to join in but where do you stand with him?
Personally I think he’s a good coach but I seriously think the whole Villa/QPR experience has left him damaged and he’s now so afraid of losing that he is making quite ridiculous and irrational decisions.
Yeah the players aren’t helping him with some of their decision making but I just worry we’ve seen the best of him and he’ll stick around for a couple of seasons (as Sadler won’t ever fire him) and we’ll just plod along.
A bit like with Grayson, Appleton and McCarthy, Sadler has played it way too safe with this appointment and has thought consolidation rather than progression (IMHO!)
 
I think he’s come back a far better manager and seems far more confident in himself.

I think the whole nervous about losing tag is complete bollocks and at times in recent games I’d question whether the complete opposite is true.

There are things he needs to reflect on, changes that need to be made and things that we need to work on. It’s also not great that our No 1 keeper and best cettal defender are having a shaky period.
 
I can’t see his negative approach changing, he’s too cautious. His insistence on 3-5-2 isn working, he only changes when it’s almost too late. That cautious attitude was there last night, he’s changed things at half time, reaped the rewards and then gone back into his shell to try to hold on to the lead, and it failed. We had them on the ropes and should have won.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I think he’s come back a far better manager and seems far more confident in himself.

I think the whole nervous about losing tag is complete bollocks and at times in recent games I’d question whether the complete opposite is true.

There are things he needs to reflect on, changes that need to be made and things that we need to work on. It’s also not great that our No 1 keeper and best cettal defender are having a shaky period.
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Where’s the evidence of him being a better manager BFC? Certainly seems far more confident if that is reflected in his stubbornness to play his way regardless of results and the players at his disposal. I’m not in the Get Rid camp but understand the anger. Unfortunately I’m resigned to being pissed of at least 50% of the time up till Xmas and then hope for some movement in the window. At the moment our league position is spot on in what is a piss poor division.
 
Dr Hfuhruhurr said:
Where’s the evidence of him being a better manager BFC? Certainly seems far more confident if that is reflected in his stubbornness to play his way regardless of results and the players at his disposal. I’m not in the Get Rid camp but understand the anger. Unfortunately I’m resigned to being pissed of at least 50% of the time up till Xmas and then hope for some movement in the window. At the moment our league position is spot on in what is a piss poor division.
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I just think his whole persona is more confident and assured than last time. I think that’s resulted in a more confident approach with the players. I think he’s far more willing to take risks and I think we have the potential to be a very good attacking side.

I think the recent run of games in particular will give him a lot of insight and a lot to work on. I suppose it remains to be seen if he can address the issues, but I’m confident he remains the right man for the job 👍
 
Without doubt Critch is a very good coach but he needs experience alongside him to temper his negative team selections and substitutions and help him with the big calls and decisions. The final 10 games of the 21/22 season really showed his negative side and his tinkering madness which he continued at QPR and he appears to be doing it again. We've had a pre season, cup games and 16 league games and it’s still not gelling together. Fortunately we are still in touch at the top despite sporadic periods of play where we look brilliant and at other times fcukin woeful, but it’s crying out for experienced support for Critch.
 
He will never admit he got it wrong again last night as he did against Peterborough as well as other games. He’s just too stubborn
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I just think his whole persona is more confident and assured than last time. I think that’s resulted in a more confident approach with the players. I think he’s far more willing to take risks and I think we have the potential to be a very good attacking side.

I think the recent run of games in particular will give him a lot of insight and a lot to work on. I suppose it remains to be seen if he can address the issues, but I’m confident he remains the right man for the job 👍
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Good for you mate hope you’re right
 
I want him to do well and I almost want his over complicated bollocks of a formation to work but I just don't get it. The challenge is you play a shit formation and throw in some players that are not good enough, it's a recipe for disaster. I just don't understand why Critchley can't see it especially when it didn't work in the previous game.
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
I want him to do well and I almost want his over complicated bollocks of a formation to work but I just don't get it. The challenge is you play a shit formation and throw in some players that are not good enough, it's a recipe for disaster. I just don't understand why Critchley can't see it especially when it didn't work in the previous game.
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I don’t think it’s a case of not seeing it. He’s willing to give certain players a proper opportunity and show a bit of confidence in them, despite an off performance or two.

I’m not really sure that you can blame him for that. We can’t just be throwing players or systems on the scrap heap just because they don’t work out first time of trying.

This is what I keep trying to say, that you have to be afforded the opportunity to ‘get things wrong’ as part of the process towards ultimately getting it right.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I don’t think it’s a case of not seeing it. He’s willing to give certain players a proper opportunity and show a bit of confidence in them, despite an off performance or two.

I’m not really sure that you can blame him for that. We can’t just be throwing players or systems on the scrap heap just because they don’t work out first time of trying.

This is what I keep trying to say, that you have to be afforded the opportunity to ‘get things wrong’ as part of the process towards ultimately getting it right.
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He has definitely given opportunities to Carey and Oakley-Booth, albeit it’s a brave decision to play them both at the same time.

I don’t think he will again unless he has to.

We need presence in midfield, hopefully we can bring in a player that really wants the ball, not easy to find I know.

Systems, I’m not a coach and I tend to lean on the side of the game being not that complicated.

I think the Critchmeister will get there, hopefully the fans will give him a proper chance.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I don’t think it’s a case of not seeing it. He’s willing to give certain players a proper opportunity and show a bit of confidence in them, despite an off performance or two.

I’m not really sure that you can blame him for that. We can’t just be throwing players or systems on the scrap heap just because they don’t work out first time of trying.

This is what I keep trying to say, that you have to be afforded the opportunity to ‘get things wrong’ as part of the process towards ultimately getting it right.
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What do you mean til he gets it right? It’s been right several times this season and he’s then gone and changed it……. he’s a clown mate
 
tangible said:
The last few games teams have been running at our defence from midfield with devastating results for us. Personally I put that down to Norburn's absence, rather than any failings by Critchley.
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It's the manager's job to address that problem,if we all can see it then he should.
 
mary mary quite contrary, this is the poster who backed McCarthy and his team selections right to the end. He's a troll who openly admits he considers what others say and then deliberately takes the opposing pov.
 
I would say we'll done to him for realising he got it wrong first half last night, and changing it to great effect. But I simply don't understand why, when we had turned the game around and could have gone on to win comfortably, he had to revert to backs against the wall stuff. He should know by now that we are not good at that.
 
Martonmosser said:
What do you mean til he gets it right? It’s been right several times this season and he’s then gone and changed it……. he’s a clown mate
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We've got to be able to make substitutions though haven't we? We're missing a key player in Norburn also, so we've also got to be able to at least try out the alternatives?

How do you ever make progress otherwise? If we go by your approach, we'd never have actually played Dembele, because we were already OK without him.

Plenty of others would have written him off after an unimpressive first half ...

Some things work out other things flop....
 
The players seem to like him, he's a good coach but his starting 11 team selections are baffling to say the least. I guess some of that is how poor our recruitment has been. Weir, Morgan and Oakley-Boothe have been awful. When Norburn and Virtue are out, we are woefully short, as we were last season.
 
I think Critch is ok and still believe we'll be in the promotion chasing pack come next spring
I also think we have a relatively good squad for division 3 .
Some of the changes we have seen recently ,at times when we are clearly in top ,can be frustrating.

Also I last few games we have been a little more expansive or should I say less turgid and grey .

Finally I'm not sure if we could get any better without taking a big punt on some unknown. What do I know ,I wanted Duncan Ferguson.

Stay frosty ,we'll be just fine
 
1953+1 said:
I would say we'll done to him for realising he got it wrong first half last night, and changing it to great effect. But I simply don't understand why, when we had turned the game around and could have gone on to win comfortably, he had to revert to backs against the wall stuff. He should know by now that we are not good at that.
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But he didn't revert to 'Backs against the wall stuff'..

Their goal actually came from us trying to attack. In fact, it was as a result of Carey trying to play Dembele in with a sliderule pass forward. Had it come off, we'd have been 4-2 up most likely. If anything there's an argument to say that we possibly should have just been playing keep ball at that stage, but realistically it was lost possession and the CH's and the keeper probably could and should have done better.

There's not a sniff that you can blame Critchley or the substitutions for that goal...
 
Bisphamtang said:
I think Critch is ok and still believe we'll be in the promotion chasing pack come next spring
I also think we have a relatively good squad for division 3 .
Some of the changes we have seen recently ,at times when we are clearly in top ,can be frustrating.

Also I last few games we have been a little more expansive or should I say less turgid and grey .

Finally I'm not sure if we could get any better without taking a big punt on some unknown. What do I know ,I wanted Duncan Ferguson.

Stay frosty ,we'll be just fine
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I agree, the last 4/5 games have been quite exciting to watch and we've created over 20 chances in most of those games. Yes his team selections and this weird midfield system is annoying but I do think we'll be more consistent as the season goes on and I think we'll get top 6. Chopping and changing managers hardly ever works and I think we'll come good. Individual errors have let us down recently which hasn't helped.
 
Your not going to get "honest" answers from everyone.

Their is a little crew on here who want Sadler out but don't have the minerals to say it so go after Critch. You can spot them, they haven't got over Pilley not getting the club yet.
 
Ultimately I rate Critchley as a manager, teams who go down often experience a hangover from the season before, yet we’re knocking on the door of where we want to be. This was a team of new players settling in, current players recovering from a dismal year, alongside a new manager implementing a new formation - what were our fans realistically expecting? Because it feels like being in the Automatics by November is bare minimum for a decent chunk of our fanbase.

I share fans frustration about our tactics sometimes. Particularly around a comment someone made last night which I completely agree with “For a man who sets his teams up defensively, we do seem to concede a lot of goals”.

We are a work in progress, there is absolutely no way Critchley is going to get sacked for the current run, nor should he…those fans calling for it are simply cutting off their nose to spite their face, but it’s negatively affecting the club which is on course to fight for promotion…put on your big boy pants and get a ** grip will you!!!
 
The definition of madness is doing the same thing and expecting different results.

Oakley-Boothe has be awful three games in a row. Watch him start at Bolton.

He won’t change his formation, which defensively leaves us exposed at the back as CJ and Dale, as vastly improved as they have been going forward, aren’t full backs. His midfield selections have been baffling all season. He’s a coward. He sets up worrying about the opposition. I can understand that in the championship. This is league one. We easily have a top 6 squad. Just play your best players and let the opposition worry about us.

This has nothing to do with him walking out on us. Do you honestly think I’d be bothered about that if we were top two and playing good football?

He failed at Villa, he failed at QPR and for my money, he’s failing here
 
Athers said:
The definition of madness is doing the same thing and expecting different results.

Oakley-Boothe has be awful three games in a row. Watch him start at Bolton.

He won’t change his formation, which defensively leaves us exposed at the back as CJ and Dale, as vastly improved as they have been going forward, aren’t full backs. His midfield selections have been baffling all season. He’s a coward. He sets up worrying about the opposition. I can understand that in the championship. This is league one. We easily have a top 6 squad. Just play your best players and let the opposition worry about us.

This has nothing to do with him walking out on us. Do you honestly think I’d be bothered about that if we were top two and playing good football?

He failed at Villa, he failed at QPR and for my money, he’s failing here
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Oakley Boothe wasn't awful against Oxford... He did reasonably well for a first outing. He's certainly not been great since, but he's by no means the only one. I'm not sure you can describe playing someone 3 times as 'doing the same thing and expecting different results'.. What's the alterative? Give players one game and if it doesn't work out we sell them?

This system is frequently played to great effect with Wingers as opposed to Full Backs... The whole idea is to be attacking and dynamic and create possession in specific areas of the opposition half.

We started the game with 4 (maybe 5) defensively minded players yesterday and we tried to attack the opposition from the word go. We conceded a shit goal and it didn't work out in the first half, but cowardly? That's a load of bollocks ...

There's things that aren't quite right (Grimshaw's not playing very well for one) and the structure of the midfield three needs to be addressed (iIm sure the return of Norburn will have an impact) but the OTT reactions are pathetic and absolutely come across as being agenda driven.
 
NewburyOne said:
The players seem to like him, he's a good coach but his starting 11 team selections are baffling to say the least. I guess some of that is how poor our recruitment has been. Weir, Morgan and Oakley-Boothe have been awful. When Norburn and Virtue are out, we are woefully short, as we were last season.
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Weir hasnt been given a chance Newbs. He was decent last season for Morecambe when played in his best position and given a run of games. He’s like Carey in that he’s better when given freedom to attack and less responsibility “out of possession” .
 
no9 said:
He has definitely given opportunities to Carey and Oakley-Booth, albeit it’s a brave decision to play them both at the same time.

I don’t think he will again unless he has to.

We need presence in midfield, hopefully we can bring in a player that really wants the ball, not easy to find I know.

Systems, I’m not a coach and I tend to lean on the side of the game being not that complicated.

I think the Critchmeister will get there, hopefully the fans will give him a proper chance.
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Tellingly, in his post-match interview, he referred to Carey being a good and improving player who he (Critchley) brought to the Club. Does this provide a glimpse into a facet of Critchley's character that some on here have identified - that he has his favourites and that they are the ones he recruited?
 
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1966_and_all_that said:
Tellingly, in his post-match interview, he referred to Carey big a good and improving player who he (Critchley) brought to the Club. Does this provide a glimpse into a facet of Critchley's character that some on here have identified - that he has his favourites and that they are the ones he recruited?
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You think he shouldn't favour and persist with fantastic young players like Carey?

I notice on here he's still getting knocked and accused of games 'Passing Him By'
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
We've got to be able to make substitutions though haven't we? We're missing a key player in Norburn also, so we've also got to be able to at least try out the alternatives?

How do you ever make progress otherwise? If we go by your approach, we'd never have actually played Dembele, because we were already OK without him.

Plenty of others would have written him off after an unimpressive first half ...

Some things work out other things flop....
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Why did we have to change anything at 3-2?????
 
Leon Hindley said:
Your not going to get "honest" answers from everyone.

Their is a little crew on here who want Sadler out but don't have the minerals to say it so go after Critch. You can spot them, they haven't got over Pilley not getting the club yet.
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Talking shit again with your false username 🙄 Nobody wants Simon out and AP is history. We want the best for our club on and off the pitch, it’s a shame that this manager isn’t the one in more and more peoples eyes to take us any further but you carry on sniping keyboard warrior instead of facing the obvious
 
Dr Hfuhruhurr said:
Weir hasnt been given a chance Newbs. He was decent last season for Morecambe when played in his best position and given a run of games. He’s like Carey in that he’s better when given freedom to attack and less responsibility “out of possession” .
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He's made several appearances, mainly as sub but has been dire in pretty much all of them. The fact he doesn't even make the bench speaks volumes.
 
Martonmosser said:
Why did we have to change anything at 3-2?????
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Because it was the right thing to do and we were starting to look jaded. Pretty much any competent manager worth their salt makes a change like that late on to shore things up.... The fact is that change had absolutely nothing whatsoever (nothing at all) to do with why they ended up scoring a wonder goal. We were pushing forward and most likely would have scored if Carey's pass had found Dembele.

The issue with last night wasn't a late substitution, it was the fact that we are probably not starting games quite as switched on as we need to be and conceding as a result.
 
Martonmosser said:
Talking shit again with your false username 🙄 Nobody wants Simon out and AP is history. We want the best for our club on and off the pitch, it’s a shame that this manager isn’t the one in more and more peoples eyes to take us any further but you carry on sniping keyboard warrior instead of facing the obvious
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The best for our Club isn't calling for the Manager to be potted when we're challenging the Play Off positions.... That's being overly-reactive in the heat of a disappointing night.
 
Martonmosser said:
Why did we have to change anything at 3-2?????
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I actually thought our intensity/level dropped after we scored the 3rd before the subs. They were down and out and a 4th would have killed the game. We made 2 mistakes straight after, Grimshaw kicked the ball out of play and Marv got disposed and they were nearly clean through and that set the tone from 75-90 mins and they scored with their only shot, which was poor defending from Marv and awful keeping. I'm not so sure the subs killed us last night whereas they did against Charlton.
 
I'm not a fan of critchley but I can't spill that over into anger or hatred.
He's a bloke with a difficult job and I think, as a lot on here seem to, he prefers life as a coach rather than a manager. So he treads carefully, too carefully.
If we're top six at the end of the season then he will be able to justify all his actions and I for one will have to shut up and accept that the ends have justified the means.

But as a fan I want it all. I want promotion and I want memorable victories and glorious football. I don't want to see a policy of "just scraped through". Sorry but that's it.

Please Neil, pick your best players. By whom I mean Dembele.
 
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Leon Hindley said:
Your not going to get "honest" answers from everyone.

Their is a little crew on here who want Sadler out but don't have the minerals to say it so go after Critch. You can spot them, they haven't got over Pilley not getting the club yet.
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You cant be serious ?
 
Think he’s a decent coach who’s had us really well drilled in the past.

He’s been let down by recruitment in the summer but think he overthinks and this often causes us problems.

Ultimately we’ve won 6 out of 16 so far and 1 away game… which isn’t the best.

I get having a system and a style of play but you need the right players to play a certain way.

Last night was entirely predictable from the starting 11 and easy to call we’d make negative subs. Connolly at LWB is a negative change as we then have no outlet wide left which then pens us in and causes problems.
 
Critchley needs his hand holding for a while and needs to accept the fact that stubbornness will get him nowhere. Every fan on the terrace, watching on TV or listening on the radio could have put out a team last night that would have given us 3 points (the same could be said of Peterborough). But the man with the plan is determined to stick to his decision making, regardless of results and we'll no doubt see Dembele come off the bench at Bolton.
 
Adams Kebab said:
Think he’s a decent coach who’s had us really well drilled in the past.

He’s been let down by recruitment in the summer but think he overthinks and this often causes us problems.

Ultimately we’ve won 6 out of 16 so far and 1 away game… which isn’t the best.

I get having a system and a style of play but you need the right players to play a certain way.

Last night was entirely predictable from the starting 11 and easy to call we’d make negative subs. Connolly at LWB is a negative change as we then have no outlet wide left which then pens us in and causes problems.
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He wasn't LWB- I'm not amending my stats - I've got it down as LB in a 4
 
Last night was a weird one, I found my self ambivalent after the first half but also confident we would still win the game. When we did get in the lead I’d hoped that we would go on and get a fourth and maybe fifth but we lost momentum and I can’t put my finger on why, as mentioned above the Marv incident seemed to change the mind set somewhat, not sure you can blame Critchley for that.

I don’t think now is the time at all to be calling for his head, a few games have drifted away from us of late but it is a process and I am also convinced he will get it right more often than wrong as the season progresses.
 
I've not read any of the above replies yet, so sorry if I'm repeating anything.

I think it would be madness to sack him now, but I've never known a manager as frustrating with his team selection and substitutions. His stubbornness could be his undoing as it's pretty clear that a lot of the match going fans are rapidly losing patience with him.

I've said it before, but I think anything less than promotion this season with the squad we have would be a failure. Whether just missing out would be enough to want him sacked, I'm honestly not sure atm. I'd need to see evidence that he is more flexible re formations and selection.

I don't think it's right this early on in the season, but if we have a poor November, I think the knives will be out for him...
 
Briggs5 said:
I've not read any of the above replies yet, so sorry if I'm repeating anything.

I think it would be madness to sack him now, but I've never known a manager as frustrating with his team selection and substitutions. His stubbornness could be his undoing as it's pretty clear that a lot of the match going fans are rapidly losing patience with him.

I've said it before, but I think anything less than promotion this season with the squad we have would be a failure. Whether just missing out would be enough to want him sacked, I'm honestly not sure atm. I'd need to see evidence that he is more flexible re formations and selection.

I don't think it's right this early on in the season, but if we have a poor November, I think the knives will be out for him...
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Is he stubborn though? really?

for example, we've heard about his stubbornness and his rigid 70 minute 'reactive' substitutions and so on... I think the criticism after the Cheltenham Manager changed it up at half time was then "Critchley would never do that".

Yet last night, the stubborn Critchley who never makes subs until the 70th Minute made exactly the right call and hooked two players at half time (not for the first time this season I might add).

Oakley Boothe was shyte, but the reality is that Norburn and Virtue are both injured and he's been given 2 and a half games....

I get it, we are struggling to put two decent halves of football together right now and there are issues that need to be addressed, but there's also some really positive signs and were not a million miles away.... And of course, despite everything we remain well in contention.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Is he stubborn though? really?

for example, we've heard about his stubbornness and his rigid 70 minute 'reactive' substitutions and so on... I think the criticism after the Cheltenham Manager changed it up at half time was then "Critchley would never do that".

Yet last night, the stubborn Critchley who never makes subs until the 70th Minute made exactly the right call and hooked two players at half time (not for the first time this season I might add).

Oakley Boothe was shyte, but the reality is that Norburn and Virtue are both injured and he's been given 2 and a half games....

I get it, we are struggling to put two decent halves of football together right now and there are issues that need to be addressed, but there's also some really positive signs and were not a million miles away.... And of course, despite everything we remain well in contention.
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I would say he's stubborn, yes.

Last night and v Pboro, he was forced to go for it because we were 2/3 goals down and we looked much more threatening and entertaining with the shackles off. However, the first chances he gets (the starting xi and the subs at 2-3 last night), he reverts to type and goes defensive again.

I fully expect him to worry more about Bolton than trying to take the game to them in the next league game, too.
 
Where do i stand on Critchley? I backed him throughout his first 2 years at the club and he showed then that he can create an effective unit and a harmonious group that can compete with much better resourced sides.

I've been less impressed this time round. The school of hard knocks has affected him, I think, and it's just not easy to go back and replicate success - which is why I fancied a change, and thought we should give Dobbie a crack. Clean sweep, start afresh with a positive vibe.

Like all of us, Critch has strengths and weaknesses. Th fact that he is extremely thorough and methodical is very much a strength, but also a kind of weakness. Some coaches seem to have a better instinctive feel - which is how I felt about Dobbie in his brief spell. He seemed to undertstand what he had in his squad and quicly set them up in a way that got some unexpected results. With Critch, it's more a long laborious process, building a jigsaw by trying a random jigsaw piece in each space. Hoping to complete the jigsaw before next Christmas.

But Critch is a genuine hard working, consistent guy, he treats people right, he manages a group of lads well, and things don't turn to shit under him, as with quite a few managers. He's probably a good safe long term bet. Inspirational managers tend to come and go. Burn out, or run out of string.

He isn't going to get sacked any time soon, and nor should he be. But maybe we can improve the chemistry around him.

I don't think calling him stubborn is right. If he is stubborn, everyone is. And it's not his job to listen to the whims of the fans and play the teams that they post up online. Which are all different obviously. No set of fans agrees with team selections all the time. And although i would quibble with th use of TOB and Dembele lately, I think he gets things more or less right most of the time, selection wise.

I just think he woriies too much and, for me, he is less confident than last time. Affected by his year elsewhere. Scared of losing another job and wrecking his own career. He's putting on an assertive front but that is different. The caution seems to be holding us back. He is not getting the best from players he was keen to sign - Weir being the prime example. How come he was so good for Morecambe? Critch also swooped for Morgan like he was an important signing. Beesley is another. Critch wanted him and seems to think he is a championship striker in the making. I'm not sure our recruitment is what it should be?
 
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One thing no one seems to be mentioning is that the players are clearly, undeniably behind him? They’ve showed character and resilience all season, even if the fans throw their toys out of the pram if we’ve not wrapped up the game before half time.

8th in the league in November and far too many are shitting the bed.
 
I think anyone expecting us to be top of the league just 16 games after the chit show last season is deluded.
 
Shiggy said:
One thing no one seems to be mentioning is that the players are clearly, undeniably behind him? They’ve showed character and resilience all season, even if the fans throw their toys out of the pram if we’ve not wrapped up the game before half time.

8th in the league in November and far too many are shitting the bed.
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8th in the league with this squad is not good enough. Even if we just had the 4 wasted points from last night and against Charlton in the bag we would be 4th
 
Hazi said:
I think anyone expecting us to be top of the league just 16 games after the chit show last season is deluded.
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I must be deluded then mate, we’re more than good enough with the squad Simon has pumped money into to be walking this league with a more positive manager
 
Martonmosser said:
8th in the league with this squad is not good enough. Even if we just had the 4 wasted points from last night and against Charlton in the bag we would be 4th
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so you admit that actually we’re not far off a strong league position (in your view) at all then? If late equalisers are what’s stopping us from being 4th in the league are we really in such a disastrous position with a disastrous manager?
 
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