Huddersfield is massive

poolseasider said:
Problem is Phil it just gives Appleton a rest bite until the next defeat or poor performance comes along,the Forrest game gave some a false dawn as reflected with posts on here which soon changed at 5pm yesterday.

For me I'll always 100% get behind whoever is in charge I go to game to hopefully see us win not try and get rid of our head coach.
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Is it an orthodontic issue?
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
But we don't have a decent fit CDM wiz

Dougall isn't that person and the new lad clearly isn't fit

He obviously thought Connolly would be better against Sarr than Lyons, I have no problem with that as he's more experienced

Connolly had a very poor game imo as did Carey

He kept faith with CJ so again that's fine as he had a good game last time out

You could see some of the thinking to be honest and generally the shape worked for 70 minutes

Ultimately we lost due to 2 individual mistakes
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You say Dougall isn't decent, which is another debate, but he at least knows the role. Neither Carey nor Patino can put in a tackle or be in the right place to break up play and its killing us. Both goals came from us losing possession 20 yards into their half. Carey gave it away for the first, and Bowler was possibly fouled for the second.

In both cases, the ball still had 80 yards to get to our goal, but got there without a single attempt to stop it. Far too easy.

Not fair on Carey and Patino to be asked to do that, yet something that's been called out every week since we went on this bad run.
 
Wizaard said:
You say Dougall isn't decent, which is another debate, but he at least knows the role. Neither Carey nor Patino can put in a tackle or be in the right place to break up play and its killing us. Both goals came from us losing possession 20 yards into their half. Carey gave it away for the first, and Bowler was possibly fouled for the second.

In both cases, the ball still had 80 yards to get to our goal, but got there without a single attempt to stop it. Far too easy.

Not fair on Carey and Patino to be asked to do that, yet something that's been called out every week since we went on this bad run.
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Dougall is poor in that role Wiz

Whoever plays in that role not only needs to be able to win the ball but needs to be good enough on the ball for the team to keep it

I like Dougall but not as the deep lying playmaker, he simply isn't technically good enough
 
Wizaard said:
You say Dougall isn't decent, which is another debate, but he at least knows the role. Neither Carey nor Patino can put in a tackle or be in the right place to break up play and its killing us. Both goals came from us losing possession 20 yards into their half. Carey gave it away for the first, and Bowler was possibly fouled for the second.

In both cases, the ball still had 80 yards to get to our goal, but got there without a single attempt to stop it. Far too easy.

Not fair on Carey and Patino to be asked to do that, yet something that's been called out every week since we went on this bad run.
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That’s been a pattern for a while - against Shef Utd at home, the amount of times our midfield got waded through at ease without a proper tackle being made. Those two are young and need an older/nastier player with them, be it Dougall or the new German player.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Dougall is poor in that role Wiz

Whoever plays in that role not only needs to be able to win the ball but needs to be good enough on the ball for the team to keep it

I like Dougall but not as the deep lying playmaker, he simply isn't technically good enough
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So we leave a whopping great hole there and concede a couple every week, relying on some individualism to get us out of trouble.

We have absolutely no team shape.

I've been one of the few who think Appleton has had a rough deal in the first half of the season, but he's not helped himself at times, and yesterday was evidence of a lack of flexibility, adaptability and basic team set up for me.

Definitely last chance saloon next week against Huddersfield. No excuses. Convincing win or go.
 
Wizaard said:
So we leave a whopping great hole there and concede a couple every week, relying on some individualism to get us out of trouble.

We have absolutely no team shape.

I've been one of the few who think Appleton has had a rough deal in the first half of the season, but he's not helped himself at times, and yesterday was evidence of a lack of flexibility, adaptability and basic team set up for me.

Definitely last chance saloon next week against Huddersfield. No excuses. Convincing win or go.
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Fully agree about the midfield - Carey and Patino two young players that are having too much asked of them in there without support.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
But we don't have a decent fit CDM wiz

Dougall isn't that person and the new lad clearly isn't fit

He obviously thought Connolly would be better against Sarr than Lyons, I have no problem with that as he's more experienced

Connolly had a very poor game imo as did Carey

He kept faith with CJ so again that's fine as he had a good game last time out

You could see some of the thinking to be honest and generally the shape worked for 70 minutes

Ultimately we lost due to 2 individual mistakes
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Why do you think Dougall isn’t that person? He’s not perfect but he’d give us some physicality and bite that is sadly lacking at the moment. Pull Charlie or Sonny out, put Kenny in, would give us a much stronger platform to work from.
 
Wizaard said:
So we leave a whopping great hole there and concede a couple every week, relying on some individualism to get us out of trouble.

We have absolutely no team shape.

I've been one of the few who think Appleton has had a rough deal in the first half of the season, but he's not helped himself at times, and yesterday was evidence of a lack of flexibility, adaptability and basic team set up for me.

Definitely last chance saloon next week against Huddersfield. No excuses. Convincing win or go.
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Any win will do to be honest

I expect the German to play in the role you mention

Dougall has been awful for a good while to be honest but it's the same old thing with our fans

When a player isn't playing he suddenly becomes better than what he actually is

For Dougall, see CJ, Carey or Beesley none of them good enough for Championship football
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Any win will do to be honest

I expect the German to play in the role you mention

Dougall has been awful for a good while to be honest but it's the same old thing with our fans

When a player isn't playing he suddenly becomes better than what he actually is

For Dougall, see CJ, Carey or Beesley none of them good enough for Championship football
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True enough about not playing making them so much better. Keshi can be added to that list.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Any win will do to be honest

I expect the German to play in the role you mention

Dougall has been awful for a good while to be honest but it's the same old thing with our fans

When a player isn't playing he suddenly becomes better than what he actually is

For Dougall, see CJ, Carey or Beesley none of them good enough for Championship football
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Agree here. It's classic knee jerk armchair mgmt. I'm afraid CJ is the best example. One great game followed by several anonymous ones. It's not a good enough return in this division.

If we go down, CJ will become an important player again. Like some others. We can't play the long ball to Madine in the Championship and hope for anything but what we got yesterday.
 
It is frightening how incompetent Appleton is.

If we keep playing 4231, Dougall needs to be in the 2 alongside Carey or Patino. This is assuming Trybull is not fit. Lyons should have started at right back, Jerry instead of Madine and Grimmy instead of Maxwell who concedes far too many soft goals.

We need to get rid of Appleton now as next week is a crucial game. There’s no chance we will turn it round under him as he is so stubborn and set on certain players which isn’t working.

No manager plays 6 attack minded players and 4 defensive minded players. Man City play a superb attacking style but they have Rodri as the number 6 winning the ball and keeping it simple. When we lose the ball we are so exposed and susceptible to the counter attack. We are struggling at the bottom of the league. The balance of the side is so wrong. As for the inability to change it during a game, I have no words.

I would appoint Dobbie with an experienced number 2. The North stand would be bouncing 10 mins before kick off next Saturday if so. With Appleton in charge, there will be complete apathy and if we concede, it will be a toxic atmosphere. We cannot afford to lose next Saturday and make the task even harder.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Any win will do to be honest

I expect the German to play in the role you mention

Dougall has been awful for a good while to be honest but it's the same old thing with our fans

When a player isn't playing he suddenly becomes better than what he actually is

For Dougall, see CJ, Carey or Beesley none of them good enough for Championship football
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Despite the fact that he was a key part of what kept us up last season. Appleton doesn’t rate him (probably a reason for some of his performances) and he has had no help in there at any point this season. No Wintle/Stewart.
 
Huddersfield is massive and, if we go into Saturday with Appleton fans will either stay home or go along in a bad state of mind. The opposite of what we need. Appleton is also in a bad state of mind. A fresh start would give us a chance to go into Saturday with a side set up to compete in midfield and with a different mentality. Even if Dobbie steps in for one game. Or Kerslake. Just an absence of Appleton, his goose is cooked.
 
But he could have done a job yesterday....Patino and Carey were far too lightweight for that game and Choudry(?) just over ran them
EVERYONE could see that......but Appleton did nothing
Watford were using academy players and they always looked a better team

They scored and then he brought on Jerry.....WTF

I truly believe Huddersfield is the make or break game......
Win.......Give him the time
Lose......He's got to go
 
B_Side_The_C_Side said:
But he could have done a job yesterday....Patino and Carey were far too lightweight for that game and Choudry(?) just over ran them
EVERYONE could see that......but Appleton did nothing
Watford were using academy players and they always looked a better team

They scored and then he brought on Jerry.....WTF

I truly believe Huddersfield is the make or break game......
Win.......Give him the time
Lose......He's got to go
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Just to add DRAW hes got to go...its a must win game however you dress it up
 
He'll set up more or less how he did yesterday and it'll suck the life out of the ground.

Just ** start with two up front and make sure one of them is Jerry, stop over thinking the game like a Poundland Pep.
 
thefutureistangerine said:
Got to disagree here.

We were poor all game, hardly created anything and didn't look like scoring until Yates came on and had that chance.

We let a team who are low on first-team players, and who were coming off the back of a four-game losing streak, consistenly walk through us. It must have felt like a friendly for them in all honesty and it was possibly the most routine win they'll have for the rest of the season.

We must have watched a different game because from where I was sat, nothing I saw constituted as our shape working.
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Reminded me of Stoke away that yesterday, large Pool following and disappointing performance based on team selection.
 
Wizaard said:
To be fair, it wasn't losing at Watford, it was the manner we did so, and that was down solely to the manager.

No CDM starting is madness, yet we had two on the bench unused. New specialist right back yet another CDM playing there.

It simply doesn't make sense and ultimately cost us anything from the game.

Clearly, the game plan was based on Poveda linking up with Madine's knockdowns and had been worked on all week. That didn't happen and I don't blame him for that, but the complete lack of flexibility meant that Rogers was in an unfamiliar role, trying to make the best of it.

Unnecessary and avoidable. One manager changed things to try and win it. One hoped it would stay 0 0.
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Re your last para, I totally get what you say. And we discussed this in the pub after the game. But consider this. Blackpool next to the bottom went away to Watford fourth in the league. So the thought process for pretty much most people is that it really should be pretty much a home win. So we go away and for an hour we are level at 0-0 and they don't really look a major threat and really creating any chances. In fact, the longer it was going we seemed to be growing more into the game ourselves and the balance of play was just as much in their half as it was in ours. But the pressure is on THEM to win the game. It's they who are fourth and expected to win. So yep, it ain't going well for them so really it's Bilics call first to do something about it which he did it half time. But we were still coping well and as I said in that second half were perhaps just as threatening as they were. Bilic realises it's still not working for them and so in the 68th minute makes another couple of changes. They score in the 72nd minute. So baiscally in hindsight Appleton had four minutes to re-act to their changes. I don't think then it's an easy decision for Appleton make because we were looking comfortable. And of course as luck would have it, it's then too late. So I do have some sympathy with him re substitutions.
 
Here we go again, after all the euphoria last week following the Forest win and 4 very good signings in the first 10 days of the transfer window, we lose at Watford, which for me wasn’t unexpected, and then everything goes back to the pre Forest match discussions which IMO have been done to death. If Appleton was going to be sacked it would have been in Nov or Dec during the winter break, he would not have been given the Jan transfer window to sign players that he wanted. This is Appleton’s team now, the Board have fully backed him and he has to personally own the position we are in and start to deliver results especially against teams around us who are also in the relegation dogfight. The Huddersfield game is a 6 pointer, we need a Forest on the front foot type performance which interestingly was achieved in front of the lowest number of Pool fans at a home game this season. This makes me wonder if all of this constant negativity towards Appleton and some of the players is now feeding through from the stands and begs the question would we achieve better results if all the vociferously negative Pool fans stopped attending games? It would also be naive to think that some of the Blackpool players don’t read the messages on this board and I fail to see how this constant carping and never ending criticism can possibly have a positive motivational effect especially amongst the younger and less experienced players.
 
Wizaard said:
So we leave a whopping great hole there and concede a couple every week, relying on some individualism to get us out of trouble.

We have absolutely no team shape.

I've been one of the few who think Appleton has had a rough deal in the first half of the season, but he's not helped himself at times, and yesterday was evidence of a lack of flexibility, adaptability and basic team set up for me.

Definitely last chance saloon next week against Huddersfield. No excuses. Convincing win or go.
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Agree with that Wiz, who the hell is responsible for plugging the gap between 4 defenders and 6 attack minded players, it’s the feckin CDM and 3 were in the squad! It should have been either Kenny or Connolly with Tommy T having a run out for the last 10-15 but playing no CDM is criminal!
 
Phil fully believes he should be given the remainder of the season but maybe he should ask himself which is a harder scenario:-
1) Maintain status quo, board back Appleton who takes us down. All loans go back, wage budget is cut and full rebuild needed as well as a new manager in a very competitive league 1
2) New manager comes in with 18 games to go (assuming he is sacked after we invariable loose to Huddlesfield), works with the players we have and identifies the glaring issues. Gives us a chance, if we stay up we’ve given ourselves a chance to consolidate in this division next year . If we go down the board takes responsibility for poor recruitment and managerial change. Fans accept at least we gave it a go and went down fighting
 
Ball on Fire said:
Here we go again, after all the euphoria last week following the Forest win and 4 very good signings in the first 10 days of the transfer window, we lose at Watford, which for me wasn’t unexpected, and then everything goes back to the pre Forest match discussions which IMO have been done to death. If Appleton was going to be sacked it would have been in Nov or Dec during the winter break, he would not have been given the Jan transfer window to sign players that he wanted. This is Appleton’s team now, the Board have fully backed him and he has to personally own the position we are in and start to deliver results especially against teams around us who are also in the relegation dogfight. The Huddersfield game is a 6 pointer, we need a Forest on the front foot type performance which interestingly was achieved in front of the lowest number of Pool fans at a home game this season. This makes me wonder if all of this constant negativity towards Appleton and some of the players is now feeding through from the stands and begs the question would we achieve better results if all the vociferously negative Pool fans stopped attending games? It would also be naive to think that some of the Blackpool players don’t read the messages on this board and I fail to see how this constant carping and never ending criticism can possibly have a positive motivational effect especially amongst the younger and less experienced players.
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People have paid good money for season tickets and rightly or wrongly have every right to criticize awful displays and bad management.
If the football and manager was a positive brand it would filter down into the stands unfortunately it isn't and that is the problem here.
I think it's a case of who blinks first , Sadler needs to address things immediately or it's curtains in the championship I'm afraid.
 
Do we sack Appleton if he stays and inevitably takes us down or Give him the first 10 games next year infront of low crowds? The latter would be even worse and more damaging to the club overall than allowing Skeletor to continue his mismanagement of us to the end of the season and then sacking him; or getting rid now. I say lance the boil immediately and get everyone on side (except Phil🤪) for Huddersfield.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Dougall is poor in that role Wiz

Whoever plays in that role not only needs to be able to win the ball but needs to be good enough on the ball for the team to keep it

I like Dougall but not as the deep lying playmaker, he simply isn't technically good enough
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...and Appleton has said he doesn't see Dougall as a No.6 either so that's something that 3 of us agree on.
The problem is neither are Patino and Carey, yet he continues to play them in that position, so for me Kenny would be be the lessor of 3 evils.
 
SeasideKurt said:
Who do you want as manager when we're in League One then? That's exactly the direction he's sending us.
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Appleton has a far better track record as a Div 1 Manager than he has a Manager of a Championship club so I could understand if he was kept on if Blackpool were to be relegated. The Blackpool Board must have seen something very special to describe Appleton as “ the outstanding candidate “ and give him a 4 year contract when a more cautious 1 year rolling contract was probably more appropriate for an out of work Manager. Appleton has averaged less than 1 point per game during the whole of the time he has managed in the Championship at Portsmouth (1 year and relegation), Blackpool 1st time (65 days), Blackburn Rovers (67 days) and his 5 months so far at Blackpool. His win rate in the Championship across all games is less than 25%. Looking at his record in League games at Blackpool so far this season nothing has changed — average of less than 1 point per game and a win rate of less than 25%.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
It isn't spot on at all as we don't have the Rodri player that he mentions

If people think Dougall can do that role then i think a trip to spec savers is on the cards
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Dougall is the best option we have got until Trybull is fit, assuming Trybull ends up being better than Dougall. The Patino/Carey axis is not working and is a big weakness in our side. Of course he’s not Rodri but we are not Man City either. I think you just get a kick on here trying to press buttons. You’re on your own with your outlandish thoughts.
 
Ball on Fire said:
Appleton has a far better track record as a Div 1 Manager than he has a Manager of a Championship club so I could understand if he was kept on if Blackpool were to be relegated. The Blackpool Board must have seen something very special to describe Appleton as “ the outstanding candidate “ and give him a 4 year contract when a more cautious 1 year rolling contract was probably more appropriate for an out of work Manager. Appleton has averaged less than 1 point per game during the whole of the time he has managed in the Championship at Portsmouth (1 year and relegation), Blackpool 1st time (65 days), Blackburn Rovers (67 days) and his 5 months so far at Blackpool. His win rate in the Championship across all games is less than 25%. Looking at his record in League games at Blackpool so far this season nothing has changed — average of less than 1 point per game and a win rate of less than 25%.
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How many promotions has he won out of Lge1 a big fat zero.
It would be like the boycott years if they kept him on and we got relegated.
 
Huddersfield is now a massive game and it looks pretty obvious to me that Appleton is going nowhere before then or maybe even after, the clamour from the fans, which to be fair has been an undercurrent for most of the season, may still not make any difference.

The question the board needs to be asking themselves is how much do we want to stay a Championship side? Are we really backing our appointed manager, let's face it, even in this window, we signed Rogers on loan who would have been here in the summer if he hadn't been injured, Bowler to appease the fans, he couldn't play for anyone else, although I accept he could have stayed in Greece and Tom Trybull on a free from a 2nd division German club who haven't played in weeks.
Is that really backing Appleton? As much as I'm delighted to see Bowler back and Rogers may be an upgrade on Corbeanu but I must say I was hoping for someone a bit more Championship ready than Trybull.

Appleton needs to be asking himself are we playing the right players in the right system? No win in 10 suggests not. In my opinion, and that's all it is, Lyons should have started yesterday as should Jerry Yates. Who leaves their top scorer on the bench?
We need to get back to basics, bollocks to this 4-2-3-1, 4-3-2-1 or even 4-3-3. I know it's not the sexy football formation but we scream out as a 4-4-2 team.

If you want to play Madine week in, week out, play Yates alongside him.
We've got talent in wide players, so choose the best between Bowler, Rogers, Poveda and CJ.
A DM has to come from either Connolly or Dougall and then either Carey or Patino.
The defence more or less picks itself with current injuries but if we bought Lyons to be a right back, play him there!
The Grimshaw/Maxwell debate will rumble on but at least we've two to choose from.
 
Ball on Fire said:
The Blackpool Board must have seen something very special to describe Appleton as “ the outstanding candidate “ and give him a 4 year contract
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That's the bit that worries me , a two horse race between him and Liam Rosenior and he's described as outstanding.
Outstanding ; otherwise known as the cheap option.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
No time for negativity

Get behind the club, the players and manager

We all have a part to play, get to the ground early, welcome the players with a wall of noise and get behind them

We need to make this match like the homecoming game

It's that big ....
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Phil.

Your support for the manager is admirable.

People make comments on this forum giving their opinions.

It would be interesting to see what team you would play next week that would give us the best opportunity to win the game.
 
Richo said:
Phil.

Your support for the manager is admirable.

People make comments on this forum giving their opinions.

It would be interesting to see what team you would play next week that would give us the best opportunity to win the game.
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I have no idea, nobody does as we don't see training or the medical/fitness stats

I'm not being funny but all this "should play so and so" is all bollocks as we don't know the finer detail
 
No promotions from League 1 just a Playoff final for Lincoln against you know who.

Div 2 promotion with Oxford.

3 Wembley appearances — 2 EFL Trophy Finals and a Play off final and lost them all.
 
Ball on Fire said:
Appleton has a far better track record as a Div 1 Manager than he has a Manager of a Championship club so I could understand if he was kept on if Blackpool were to be relegated. The Blackpool Board must have seen something very special to describe Appleton as “ the outstanding candidate “ and give him a 4 year contract when a more cautious 1 year rolling contract was probably more appropriate for an out of work Manager. Appleton has averaged less than 1 point per game during the whole of the time he has managed in the Championship at Portsmouth (1 year and relegation), Blackpool 1st time (65 days), Blackburn Rovers (67 days) and his 5 months so far at Blackpool. His win rate in the Championship across all games is less than 25%. Looking at his record in League games at Blackpool so far this season nothing has changed — average of less than 1 point per game and a win rate of less than 25%.
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Keeping a manager who is unfit for the role because he would be good in League One is the epitome of insanity.

We're going down BECAUSE of the manager, not the squad. The players have enough about them to be in this division. That was shown last season.
 
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Richo said:
Phil.

Your support for the manager is admirable.

People make comments on this forum giving their opinions.

It would be interesting to see what team you would play next week that would give us the best opportunity to win the game.
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Impossible to say at the moment, will Ekpiteta and Poveda be available next week? Are there any other injuries from the Watford game? Was there any reaction after the Watford game in respect of the fitness of Rogers & Bowler who haven’t played for a long time? Is Tom T fit to play in match, can he start?
 
Ball on Fire said:
Appleton has a far better track record as a Div 1 Manager than he has a Manager of a Championship club so I could understand if he was kept on if Blackpool were to be relegated. The Blackpool Board must have seen something very special to describe Appleton as “ the outstanding candidate “ and give him a 4 year contract when a more cautious 1 year rolling contract was probably more appropriate for an out of work Manager. Appleton has averaged less than 1 point per game during the whole of the time he has managed in the Championship at Portsmouth (1 year and relegation), Blackpool 1st time (65 days), Blackburn Rovers (67 days) and his 5 months so far at Blackpool. His win rate in the Championship across all games is less than 25%. Looking at his record in League games at Blackpool so far this season nothing has changed — average of less than 1 point per game and a win rate of less than 25%.
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So if we get relegated and somehow Appleton gets us promoted the following season, then what? Dear me.
 
20togo said:
Re your last para, I totally get what you say. And we discussed this in the pub after the game. But consider this. Blackpool next to the bottom went away to Watford fourth in the league. So the thought process for pretty much most people is that it really should be pretty much a home win. So we go away and for an hour we are level at 0-0 and they don't really look a major threat and really creating any chances. In fact, the longer it was going we seemed to be growing more into the game ourselves and the balance of play was just as much in their half as it was in ours. But the pressure is on THEM to win the game. It's they who are fourth and expected to win. So yep, it ain't going well for them so really it's Bilics call first to do something about it which he did it half time. But we were still coping well and as I said in that second half were perhaps just as threatening as they were. Bilic realises it's still not working for them and so in the 68th minute makes another couple of changes. They score in the 72nd minute. So baiscally in hindsight Appleton had four minutes to re-act to their changes. I don't think then it's an easy decision for Appleton make because we were looking comfortable. And of course as luck would have it, it's then too late. So I do have some sympathy with him re substitutions.
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He only had 4 minutes to react to the second set of substitutions, he had 23 minutes to react to the first changes. Some of ours were blowing out of their arses second half.
 
Wizaard said:
Keeping a manager who is unfit for the role because he would be good in League One is the epitome of insanity.

We're going down BECAUSE of the manager, not the squad. The players have enough about them to be in this division. That was shown last season.
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That was not the point I was making, what I was trying to say is that Appleton’s record in Div 1 is much better than his record in the Championship and if we did get relegated, bearing in mind his 4 year contract, it would be an option for the Board to give him the opportunity to get us promoted back to the Championship. If the Board were to sack Appleton now or at the end of this season then they will presumably have to pay him more than £1M in severance pay. Even if Appleton was to keep Blackpool in the Championship this season I am sure his performance over the whole season will be appraised and I can see justification for the Board still sacking him to avoid a repeat the following season. As I said earlier Appleton’s overall record in the Championship is less than a point a game and a win rate of less than 25% which suggests a relegation battle every year. The Board would have been fully aware of his stats when they appointed Appleton and gave him a 4 year contract when he had never managed a Championship club for Longer than a year.

I think we have a much weaker squad this season mainly due to the huge number of long term injuries and suspensions as a result of 7 sending offs. Whilst the new signings in Jan so far are very welcome they will take time to bed in and get match fit as 3 of the 4 new players this month haven’t played much football recently.
 
Albert Ross said:
He only had 4 minutes to react to the second set of substitutions, he had 23 minutes to react to the first changes. Some of ours were blowing out of their arses second half.
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were they though in that first 23 minutes? Like I said, it seemed to me we were getting stronger and that's the general consensus on here that we were doing better. I'm simply looking at this from a different angle, how he might have been seeing it. To me there's a case to say damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. If and it's a might big IF of course, we'd have got the draw then there'd be a case for saying doing nothing was the best option.
 
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