I actually feel sorry for Appleton and the current squad of players

Wizaard said:
When your centre half goes off and you put your left back in that place and put another full back on, it's pretty damning of the faith we have in Williams.

The loss of Thorniley and the shuffling cost us the goal. We switched off.
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Williams was spewing up at half time supposedly
 
td53 said:
I agree. It's just you said he's 'always' been injury prone and I'm legally obliged to correct even the smallest potential misconception about Gaz.

Lad is a patched up warrior. He really should be a game changing impact player and occasional starter when circumstances mean he can bully a backline.

I said at beginning of season that if Gaz is still plan A we've got an issue.
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Gaz is a linchpin and he struggled today and as a consequence so did Jerry.
Unfortunately we can't replace him.
Of all the squad he will benefit most from the break.
 
td53 said:
I agree. It's just you said he's 'always' been injury prone and I'm legally obliged to correct even the smallest potential misconception about Gaz.

Lad is a patched up warrior. He really should be a game changing impact player and occasional starter when circumstances mean he can bully a backline.

I said at beginning of season that if Gaz is still plan A we've got an issue.
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Couldn't agree more Gaz plays well we play well and not finding back up when two out of our four forwards ain't that good up top on their own and a crock who's had one decent game and is an unknown in that position is a huge mistake in the 4-3-3 we play.
 
Philbfctrois said:
What's starting to piss me off is the work Madine is having to do, it was obvious to anybody with half a brain cell that we needed someone to help share the load.
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We’re on the brink of ** him up for a few weeks/months.

Then we really are in the shit striker wise.

Congratulations to Jake Beesley though, not only did lots of our fans think he’d turned into a prime Harry Kane without actually kicking a ball for the first couple of months of the season, he’s also breaking the world record for time on the sidelines for a stress fracture in his foot.
 
Philbfctrois said:
What's starting to piss me off is the work Madine is having to do, it was obvious to anybody with half a brain cell that we needed someone to help share the load
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We could put one of the centre backs up front and bounce it off them. Oh. Wait, we don't have any of those either...
 
As a yard stick - how may of our squad are envied by other clubs? Hardly any I'd suggest ...
Patino - obviously, Connolly - grit and effort, Jerry, and maybe Gaz for the job he does.
Keepers - they're ok too.
As for the rest - a few are bang average - and as for the others, passengers at best.
They all need our support to try to pick up points - but without champ level quality, we're up shit creek.
 
I dont think there is a lot between all of these teams. Ive yet to witness a team in that league who would have a chance in the prem, should they win promotion. Signing players is a dark art form. Everyone is after the same player, ie someone who can score 20 goals a season. Im looking forward to January, lets see who arrives along with Lyons
 
I sense a bit of panic setting in after yesterday, and I don't think that's helpful or necessary right now. Imo we have more than enough quality in the squad to survive comfortably and it's just about getting and keeping the players match fit. The World Cup break will help us massively I think in that respect. I'd be much more concerned if we didn't have players that were able to win points in this league. But when we can put out even a 3/4 strength side we have proven we can pick points up against good teams. That's a fact, and those players haven't suddenly lost that ability.

We do need to sign someone who can share the work with Madine, and someone who can share the defensive midfield responsibilities with Dougall. The club needs to forget about Stewart and Bridcutt, we aren't going to be able to rely on them. Actually you could argue that with us signing Lyons in Jan, it frees up Connolly to help in midfield when necessary. The only thing is we don't know how well or how quickly Lyons will adapt to championship football.
But the point is, improving our situation is going to take calm heads, good decision making and good support from the crowd. I think we will get there, let's not sound the alarm just yet.
 
BFC_53 said:
I sense a bit of panic setting in after yesterday, and I don't think that's helpful or necessary right now. Imo we have more than enough quality in the squad to survive comfortably and it's just about getting and keeping the players match fit. The World Cup break will help us massively I think in that respect. I'd be much more concerned if we didn't have players that were able to win points in this league. But when we can put out even a 3/4 strength side we have proven we can pick points up against good teams. That's a fact, and those players haven't suddenly lost that ability.

We do need to sign someone who can share the work with Madine, and someone who can share the defensive midfield responsibilities with Dougall. The club needs to forget about Stewart and Bridcutt, we aren't going to be able to rely on them. Actually you could argue that with us signing Lyons in Jan, it frees up Connolly to help in midfield when necessary. The only thing is we don't know how well or how quickly Lyons will adapt to championship football.
But the point is, improving our situation is going to take calm heads, good decision making and good support from the crowd. I think we will get there, let's not sound the alarm just yet.
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It's not panic it's just realism that once we have a few injuries we have a bang average league 1 squad

And that's down to the board
 
Philbfctrois said:
Another patched up side giving their all, week in week out we are fielding a team with players either carrying knocks or players having to play when not match fit

We have gaping holes in the squad that have been shown this week with two 1.0 defeats, both close games where we have just been out muscled

Did anybody bring Bullshit to task today at the meeting?

I very much doubt it, from the bit of the Charles video I saw today it all looked a bit sicky friendly, like it was under the BSA days

Make no mistake the head coach has been badly let down this season during the transfer window and is having to make do every game

More injuries today and a lack of proper replacements

We really are shopping at bargain basements, Bridcutt and Ward really?
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Amen to the OP. Although I do think Bridcutt is the experience we need and Ward was a very low risk decent reward gamble under the circs that’s gone wrong again by the looks of it.
 
clappers said:
Amen to the OP. Although I do think Bridcutt is the experience we need and Ward was a very low risk decent reward gamble under the circs that’s gone wrong again by the looks of it.
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The point mate is that we shouldn't be anywhere near having to sign players like Ward and Bridcutt
 
20togo said:
yes it is. Any mention of Madine and the poster Phill is all over it with his negativity.
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I think "Phill" might have been sat within earshot of me yesterday.
If it wasn't "Phill" it was someone who sounded like he had the same opinion.
 
Considering most Championship clubs don't even break even, I think it would be an unfair comparison to start demanding the club to start copying other clubs for spending in the league.
 
If I don't start seeing some ambition in terms of strengthening the playing squad then I won't be renewing my season tickets next season

We are a Championship club with League one players and a League One budget

The next transfer window is massive as going down would be a disaster
 
Memphisboy said:
Thick as! Attention span of a gnat. We are a proper football club competing at a really strong level and doing OK.
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Ok isn't good enough in a results business

Starting the season with only one specialist right back and no replacement to Madine isn't good enough at this level
 
Philbfctrois said:
If I don't start seeing some ambition in terms of strengthening the playing squad then I won't be renewing my season tickets next season

We are a Championship club with League one players and a League One budget

The next transfer window is massive as going down would be a disaster
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The January transfer window is often a let down . I reckon it will be worse this time unfortunately. Clubs are struggling with player numbers this season and are likely to be unwilling to let players of quality leave unless top dollar is paid for them , and of course there are no newly released players unlike in summer .
Unfortunately I think it will be next summer before we see some proper movement in the market , just hope that's not too late .
 
Philbfctrois said:
Another patched up side giving their all, week in week out we are fielding a team with players either carrying knocks or players having to play when not match fit

We have gaping holes in the squad that have been shown this week with two 1.0 defeats, both close games where we have just been out muscled

Did anybody bring Bullshit to task today at the meeting?

I very much doubt it, from the bit of the Charles video I saw today it all looked a bit sicky friendly, like it was under the BSA days

Make no mistake the head coach has been badly let down this season during the transfer window and is having to make do every game

More injuries today and a lack of proper replacements

We really are shopping at bargain basements, Bridcutt and Ward really?
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If they carry on with the policy of not backing the playing side, season ticket sales will be very interesting next year. Regardless of what league we are in.
 
Injuries are one, square pegs in round holes is also another and that's Appleton's forced hand.

Not pushing the absolute boat out for Lyons in the summer, considering a deal was close enough for us to do it was a joke. January can't come soon enough.

We have 3/4 injury prone players, some I feel sorry for some I don't. We need to pay up their contracts.

We need 3 players in January on top of Lyons, a proper actual decent winger. CJ Hamilton, Corbeneau and Poveda aren't it. Bowler back for 6 months will suffice. An actual ball playing central midfielder in the Brannigan/Barlaser mould, would 1M/1.5M tempt them as his contract is out in the summer and I don't think he's signed one? And an experienced CB to sit next to Marv or Thorniley when required of the Keogh/Jagielka ilk. So the option to go to a back 5 is realistic and not all over the place.
 
Bandagem said:
If they carry on with the policy of not backing the playing side, season ticket sales will be very interesting next year. Regardless of what league we are in.
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Dave,

personally, I'd say that the playing side has been backed of sorts, but there's been some poor decision making around certain players and too much focus on players who can develop versus players who are ready but have little re-sale value longer term. How much would a big strong 'oven ready' CB cost for example? Any more than we're (probably) paying Liverpool for Williams?
 
We need to be thankful that unlike the knobbers who are being supported to the tune of 1m a month we are running a tight ship. When it all comes tumbling down in the next few months when recession hits the football league will be a shit show. we are already seeing lower attendances and its going to bite, hopefully we are in a position to survive it and make hay. others will be wishing they had Simon Sadler at the helm. We have loads of players to come back from Injury and sickness and when they do we will hopefully be fine.
 
straightatthewall said:
Dave,

personally, I'd say that the playing side has been backed of sorts, but there's been some poor decision making around certain players and too much focus on players who can develop versus players who are ready but have little re-sale value longer term. How much would a big strong 'oven ready' CB cost for example? Any more than we're (probably) paying Liverpool for Williams?
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Yep too many loans and a failure to recruit in key positions
 
Graves said:
Are we playing on sand with rust and birdshit on our seats?
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Of course it’s nothing like when the scums were “running” the show but to give tangy a little benefit of the doubt he is perhaps referring to just the on the field situation?

Not backing the manager in the transfer market, a few sub standard loans, re-signing an injury prone player we let go and selling our best player on the final mi ute of deadline day all has unfortunately a familiar ring to it.
 
Someone suggested an earlier post on here might be libellous? I am surprised it has not been taken down as the Watts v Times defence is wearing a bit thin?
 
Wizaard said:
When your centre half goes off and you put your left back in that place and put another full back on, it's pretty damning of the faith we have in Williams.

The loss of Thorniley and the shuffling cost us the goal. We switched off.
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I thought he was sick at half time, you may not like him but be fair in your criticism
 
td53 said:
We could put one of the centre backs up front and bounce it off them. Oh. Wait, we don't have any of those either...
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Maybe Madine could extend his career by dropping to CB?
He is great at defending corners and reads the game well
 
SpionKop said:
Of course it’s nothing like when the scums were “running” the show but to give tangy a little benefit of the doubt he is perhaps referring to just the on the field situation?

Not backing the manager in the transfer market, a few sub standard loans, re-signing an injury prone player we let go and selling our best player on the final mi ute of deadline day all has unfortunately a familiar ring to it.
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I understand what you’re saying. I was particularly disappointed in the Colby Bishop/Simms events. I back the manager and the squad and I feel that luck has not been on our side with regards to injuries.

I also wouldn’t call Patino a sub standard loan. He’s been class and is improving. Perhaps you weren’t referring to him.

Generally, as a fan, I am a lot happier with on and off the pitch affairs compared to the Oyston days.
 
SpionKop said:
Of course it’s nothing like when the scums were “running” the show but to give tangy a little benefit of the doubt he is perhaps referring to just the on the field situation?

Not backing the manager in the transfer market, a few sub standard loans, re-signing an injury prone player we let go and selling our best player on the final mi ute of deadline day all has unfortunately a familiar ring to it.
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Correct

It was obvious we needed and wanted a striker yet failed to get one

See above with a right back and central midfield player

It does appear that everytime someone is critical of the board the Oystons get mentioned

It's fcuking weird that we seemingly aren't allowed to voice concerns over our transfer dealings when it's clear we are lacking in certain key positions
 
As things stand, if Gaz gets a long term injury we could plummet. Absolutely no comparable replacement in view at the moment and we are coming up against hard physical, sides nearly every week.
 
tangysider said:
Maybe Madine could extend his career by dropping to CB?
He is great at defending corners and reads the game well
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A 21st century John Charles... I know he's invaluable but he can't play up front and CB at the same time...

Or maybe he can!

🤣
 
Philbfctrois said:
Correct

It was obvious we needed and wanted a striker yet failed to get one

See above with a right back and central midfield player

It does appear that everytime someone is critical of the board the Oystons get mentioned

It's fcuking weird that we seemingly aren't allowed to voice concerns over our transfer dealings when it's clear we are lacking in certain key positions
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I think we just need to follow the Critchley system. That way we’re not affected by injuries 👍
 
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