I wonder what Appleton makes of all this?

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I’ll start by saying I didn’t want him, like pretty much every Blackpool fan. No issue with what what happened in his last reign, just didn’t think he’d done that great at Oxford, Lincoln and had an idea of his demeanour and the way he interviewed etc. That said, he’s out of work, gets the gig at a Championship Club. He must be buzzing, despite everyone moaning about his appointment.

I’m guessing the night he took his top off at the Armfield Club with Mansford and Brett Gerrity accompanying him he probably thought WTF is this about. He probably had that same feeling when we missed out on Simms and Hirst and god knows who else in the striking department as well as managing to create an issue on a medical with Colby Bishop, who’s looking really medically unfit as he scores most weeks in League 1.

We win the first game, but everyone moans about the 2nd half and there’s loads missing a good old fist pump at full-time. Results after that are mixed but a great win at QPR and comeback at Burnley are dampened by injuries to 3/4 of our midfield. We still didn’t sign a midfielder & we’re left short for a month that resulted in a formation change, forced on him and away from his 4-3-3 principles. Appletons tangerine army isn’t going off much. Loads aren’t buying it.

The Bowler saga drags on for weeks and ends on deadline day, but it’s all good apparently as we’ve already sorted his replacement in Poveda and brought in Callum Wright. Oh & where are those whoppers who dismissed the criticism of our recruitment by countering it with the signings for our development squad? That’s a bit daft now isn’t it looking back, as was said at the time.

Anyway back to MA. Because we’ve not been able to sign a midfielder because we make stupid bids that don’t get accepted or we get played completely like Brannigan did (very stupid we didn’t work this out), we end up going for ex-Prem midfielders with no club. I’ve noticed the past week or so there’s been digs galore from the board at the mentality of these players who have earned lots of money and don’t want to play anymore. Here’s a thought… why are we ending up going for them?? So after Drinkwater and another say no, we end up with Bridcutt. Whilst this has been going on Grant Ward has been hanging round the gaff but MA says a few times we won’t be signing him.

Injuries and suspensions hit hard after a great display at Sheff Utd. Because we are so short, we sign Grant Ward, that’s the guy we didn’t want to sign btw.

The Knobber game comes. A tactical masterclass from Appleton, I’ve never seen us score 4 v those before, what a moment. This is followed up by Coventry away. There’s a bit of a connection at full-time as Appleton’s tangerine army is cranked out and he shows a bit of emotion.

It then goes completely tits up. We’ve got Grant Ward right back in a game. We’ve no option at centre forward bar for one with one groin (see then summer balls up). We’re depleted but we’ve not strengthened correctly to cover this and left ourselves short on quality. Most our loans have flopped. Permanent signings in Thompson & Wright, haven’t hit the ground running.

Defeats follow, the support from 2 weeks ago is waning completely & lots who didn’t want him in the summer have been waiting for this moment that culminates in a good chunk singing to our own manager, that’s us who claim to be such brilliant fans, “you’re getting sacked in the morning!” WTAF. This is despite by the way, playing 73 minutes plus with 10 men & Kenny Dougall centre back as we’ve nobody else!

In an even stranger plot twist, he then claps the fans at the end and people give him a load of shit and say he was taking the piss clapping. He usually has his hands in his pockets apparently? People say he’s passionless and doesn’t motivate etc. He’s made changes in the middle of numerous games to effect the results positively but that’s not good as the West Stand say he’s got his hands in his pockets. Jeez.

I’ll end it by saying like I started it. The board knew nobody wanted him. This is on them. He’s come in and been dealt shit hands on suspensions, injuries and failures from the board to sign players. He’s definitely made mistakes, I’m baffled why we’ve still got Chris Maxwell in net letting in corners, but if you think this is all on Michael Appleton and changing him changes the problems then you aren’t thinking logically.

The mindset needs to change fast. You can’t not spend money in this league and you are only as good as your recruitment. There’s some very well paid people who are involved in this process. They need to get it sorted because even if the Manager changes, that won’t. Not stupid money but not by making stupid bids.

To emphasise this point, we went pretty mad in the January window in 2019… Madine… Thorniley.. KDH… Ronan etc and a couple more then sacked the Manager weeks later. Ben Mansford was in charge then btw. Suppose that was Appletons fault.
 
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I’ll start by saying I didn’t want him, like pretty much every Blackpool fan. No issue with what what happened in his last reign, just didn’t think he’d done that great at Oxford, Lincoln and had an idea of his demeanour and the way he interviewed etc. That said, he’s out of work, gets the gig at a Championship Club. He must be buzzing, despite everyone moaning about his appointment.

I’m guessing the night he took his top off at the Armfield Club with Mansford and Brett Gerrity accompanying him he probably thought WTF is this about. He probably had that same feeling when we missed out on Simms and Hirst and god knows who else in the striking department as well as managing to create an issue on a medical with Colby Bishop, who’s looking really medically unfit as he scores most weeks in League 1.

We win the first game, but everyone moans about the 2nd half and there’s loads missing a good old fist pump at full-time. Results after that are mixed but a great win at QPR and comeback at Burnley are dampened by injuries to 3/4 of our midfield. We still didn’t sign a midfielder & we’re left short for a month that resulted in a formation change, forced on him and away from his 4-3-3 principles. Appletons tangerine army isn’t going off much. Loads aren’t buying it.

The Bowler saga drags on for weeks and ends on deadline day, but it’s all good apparently as we’ve already sorted his replacement in Poveda and brought in Callum Wright. Oh & where are those whoppers who dismissed the criticism of our recruitment by countering it with the signings for our development squad? That’s a bit daft now isn’t it looking back, as was said at the time.

Anyway back to MA. Because we’ve not been able to sign a midfielder because we make stupid bids that don’t get accepted or we get played completely like Brannigan did (very stupid we didn’t work this out), we end up going for ex-Prem midfielders with no club. I’ve noticed the past week or so there’s been digs galore from the board at the mentality of these players who have earned lots of money and don’t want to play anymore. Here’s a thought… why are we ending up going for them?? So after Drinkwater and another say no, we end up with Bridcutt. Whilst this has been going on Grant Ward has been hanging round the gaff but MA says a few times we won’t be signing him.

Injuries and suspensions hit hard after a great display at Sheff Utd. Because we are so short, we sign Grant Ward, that’s the guy we didn’t want to sign btw.

The Knobber game comes. A tactical masterclass from Appleton, I’ve never seen his score 4 v those before, what a moment. This is followed up by Coventry away. There’s a bit of a connection at full-time as Appleton’s tangerine army is cranked out and he shows a bit of emotion.

It then goes completely tits up. We’ve got Grant Ward right back in a game. We’ve no option at centre forward bar for one with one groin (see then summer balls up). We’re depleted but we’ve not strengthened correctly to cover this and left ourselves short on quality. Most our loans have flopped. Permanent signings in Thompson & Wright, haven’t hit the ground running.

Defeats follow, the support from 2 weeks ago is waning completely & lots who didn’t want him in the summer have been waiting for this moment that culminates in a good chunk singing to our own manager, that’s us who claim to be such brilliant fans, “you’re getting sacked in the morning!” WTAF. This is despite by the way, playing 73 minutes plus with 10 men & Kenny Dougall centre back as we’ve nobody else!

In an even stranger plot twist, he then claps the fans at the end and people give him a load of shit and say he was taking the piss clapping. He usually has his hands in his pockets apparently? People say he’s passionless and doesn’t motivate etc. He’s made changes in the middle of numerous games to effect the results positively but that’s not good as the West Stand say he’s got his hands in his pockets. Jeez.

I’ll end it by saying like I started it. The board knew nobody wanted him. This is on them. He’s come in and been dealt shit hands on suspensions, injuries and failures from the board to sign players. He’s definitely made mistakes, I’m baffled why we’ve still got Chris Maxwell in net letting in corners, but if you think this is all on Michael Appleton and changing him changes the problems then you aren’t thinking logically.

The mindset needs to change fast. You can’t not spend money in this league and you are only as good as your recruitment. There’s some very well paid people who are involved in this process. They need to get it sorted because even if the Manager changes, that won’t. Not stupid money but not by making stupid bids.

To emphasise this point, we went pretty mad in the January window in 2019… Madine… Thorniley.. KDH… Ronan etc and a couple more then sacked the Manager weeks later. Ben Mansford was in charge then btw. Suppose that was Appletons fault.
Was always on the cards given the board going willingly for a manager fans didn't like or want back, some of those misconceptions clearly weren't accurate and people had come around somewhat over time.

But the club clearly completely underestimated the feelgood factor and how he'd get far less time that someone fresh.

He had to get off to a good start, ok first game was but after that it was mostly shite, some glimpses of quality but generally not solid or able to stop conceding silly goals.

He wasn't backed well, been unlucky, but also made some mistakes, also he is motivating the team and at times we've been so poor too often even with enough quality players out there.

He also is passive on the sides which isn't a good look or fitting with our fanbase really, we like to see passion, someone who is like the fans and gets them going almost.

Either way now were in a poor position, if he stays he's losing too many fans, ok it was after it went wrong, fans were firmly supporting the team, but still not good.

If he stays does he drop another keeper for one who's now taken to social media to express his dissatisfaction?

Some players are regressing this season.

If someone new comes in they have the same depleted squad, but it was capable before of grinding out more results, albeit with Bowler and Keogh. A new man will lift spirits, fans etc will give them a chance.

But not as much of a chance as if it was a fresh choice at the start of the season, as we're in a bad moment now, if that carries on the new man could be up against it too after more poor results, then where do you go.

They'd also have to get to know the squad again.

It might work, we've seen it happen many times or it might not, it's not like we have an established championship squad and aren't performing like we can. Although we certainly aren't performing like we can, largely due to injuries etc but also generally too.

Bit of a shit show really.
 
Yep, all of that. If Critchley was here, we’d be in the same predicament, but probably less goals scored.
You can’t stay in the Championship with predominantly League One players, quality crocks and putting all your hopes on a 19 year old with big potential.
Appleton needs some help.
Yep fully agree.

I don’t see much changing if we change the Manager with the players we have?

The only change is that it probably galvanises the fanbase that is completely fractured by his appointment. Shouldn’t be as he’s our own Manager but too many made their minds up and won’t change it. The last 4 games just solidifies what they thought forgetting everything else.

Just for those at the back who might not be listening, Michael Appleton didn’t appoint himself you know, the board did. So that one is on them 👍🏼
 
I’ll start by saying I didn’t want him, like pretty much every Blackpool fan. No issue with what what happened in his last reign, just didn’t think he’d done that great at Oxford, Lincoln and had an idea of his demeanour and the way he interviewed etc. That said, he’s out of work, gets the gig at a Championship Club. He must be buzzing, despite everyone moaning about his appointment.

I’m guessing the night he took his top off at the Armfield Club with Mansford and Brett Gerrity accompanying him he probably thought WTF is this about. He probably had that same feeling when we missed out on Simms and Hirst and god knows who else in the striking department as well as managing to create an issue on a medical with Colby Bishop, who’s looking really medically unfit as he scores most weeks in League 1.

We win the first game, but everyone moans about the 2nd half and there’s loads missing a good old fist pump at full-time. Results after that are mixed but a great win at QPR and comeback at Burnley are dampened by injuries to 3/4 of our midfield. We still didn’t sign a midfielder & we’re left short for a month that resulted in a formation change, forced on him and away from his 4-3-3 principles. Appletons tangerine army isn’t going off much. Loads aren’t buying it.

The Bowler saga drags on for weeks and ends on deadline day, but it’s all good apparently as we’ve already sorted his replacement in Poveda and brought in Callum Wright. Oh & where are those whoppers who dismissed the criticism of our recruitment by countering it with the signings for our development squad? That’s a bit daft now isn’t it looking back, as was said at the time.

Anyway back to MA. Because we’ve not been able to sign a midfielder because we make stupid bids that don’t get accepted or we get played completely like Brannigan did (very stupid we didn’t work this out), we end up going for ex-Prem midfielders with no club. I’ve noticed the past week or so there’s been digs galore from the board at the mentality of these players who have earned lots of money and don’t want to play anymore. Here’s a thought… why are we ending up going for them?? So after Drinkwater and another say no, we end up with Bridcutt. Whilst this has been going on Grant Ward has been hanging round the gaff but MA says a few times we won’t be signing him.

Injuries and suspensions hit hard after a great display at Sheff Utd. Because we are so short, we sign Grant Ward, that’s the guy we didn’t want to sign btw.

The Knobber game comes. A tactical masterclass from Appleton, I’ve never seen us score 4 v those before, what a moment. This is followed up by Coventry away. There’s a bit of a connection at full-time as Appleton’s tangerine army is cranked out and he shows a bit of emotion.

It then goes completely tits up. We’ve got Grant Ward right back in a game. We’ve no option at centre forward bar for one with one groin (see then summer balls up). We’re depleted but we’ve not strengthened correctly to cover this and left ourselves short on quality. Most our loans have flopped. Permanent signings in Thompson & Wright, haven’t hit the ground running.

Defeats follow, the support from 2 weeks ago is waning completely & lots who didn’t want him in the summer have been waiting for this moment that culminates in a good chunk singing to our own manager, that’s us who claim to be such brilliant fans, “you’re getting sacked in the morning!” WTAF. This is despite by the way, playing 73 minutes plus with 10 men & Kenny Dougall centre back as we’ve nobody else!

In an even stranger plot twist, he then claps the fans at the end and people give him a load of shit and say he was taking the piss clapping. He usually has his hands in his pockets apparently? People say he’s passionless and doesn’t motivate etc. He’s made changes in the middle of numerous games to effect the results positively but that’s not good as the West Stand say he’s got his hands in his pockets. Jeez.

I’ll end it by saying like I started it. The board knew nobody wanted him. This is on them. He’s come in and been dealt shit hands on suspensions, injuries and failures from the board to sign players. He’s definitely made mistakes, I’m baffled why we’ve still got Chris Maxwell in net letting in corners, but if you think this is all on Michael Appleton and changing him changes the problems then you aren’t thinking logically.

The mindset needs to change fast. You can’t not spend money in this league and you are only as good as your recruitment. There’s some very well paid people who are involved in this process. They need to get it sorted because even if the Manager changes, that won’t. Not stupid money but not by making stupid bids.

To emphasise this point, we went pretty mad in the January window in 2019… Madine… Thorniley.. KDH… Ronan etc and a couple more then sacked the Manager weeks later. Ben Mansford was in charge then btw. Suppose that was Appletons fault.
Good post and I can see that point of view...however I see Appleton as fully Compos Mentis to the situation and that is why he was given a four year deal. The board knew the manager would get shit at some point as there was no intention to invest and therefore employed someone with the experience and thick skin to just carry on regardless though it. I totally agree the board and definitely the recruitment team are massively at fault but where our opinion differs is that I think Appleton was in on the gig right from the off and is not some innocent victim in all this. For the record I would have sacked ALL the recruitment advisors if I was Simon Sadler. As I have said elsewhere I am a Blackpool FC fan above all else and I dont really care who owns the club and is the manager as long as they do what is best for the club...Im afraid that isnt happening at the moment and it was all fairly predictable given the recruitment, ticket pricing and the choice of manager
 
I’ll start by saying I didn’t want him, like pretty much every Blackpool fan. No issue with what what happened in his last reign, just didn’t think he’d done that great at Oxford, Lincoln and had an idea of his demeanour and the way he interviewed etc. That said, he’s out of work, gets the gig at a Championship Club. He must be buzzing, despite everyone moaning about his appointment.

I’m guessing the night he took his top off at the Armfield Club with Mansford and Brett Gerrity accompanying him he probably thought WTF is this about. He probably had that same feeling when we missed out on Simms and Hirst and god knows who else in the striking department as well as managing to create an issue on a medical with Colby Bishop, who’s looking really medically unfit as he scores most weeks in League 1.

We win the first game, but everyone moans about the 2nd half and there’s loads missing a good old fist pump at full-time. Results after that are mixed but a great win at QPR and comeback at Burnley are dampened by injuries to 3/4 of our midfield. We still didn’t sign a midfielder & we’re left short for a month that resulted in a formation change, forced on him and away from his 4-3-3 principles. Appletons tangerine army isn’t going off much. Loads aren’t buying it.

The Bowler saga drags on for weeks and ends on deadline day, but it’s all good apparently as we’ve already sorted his replacement in Poveda and brought in Callum Wright. Oh & where are those whoppers who dismissed the criticism of our recruitment by countering it with the signings for our development squad? That’s a bit daft now isn’t it looking back, as was said at the time.

Anyway back to MA. Because we’ve not been able to sign a midfielder because we make stupid bids that don’t get accepted or we get played completely like Brannigan did (very stupid we didn’t work this out), we end up going for ex-Prem midfielders with no club. I’ve noticed the past week or so there’s been digs galore from the board at the mentality of these players who have earned lots of money and don’t want to play anymore. Here’s a thought… why are we ending up going for them?? So after Drinkwater and another say no, we end up with Bridcutt. Whilst this has been going on Grant Ward has been hanging round the gaff but MA says a few times we won’t be signing him.

Injuries and suspensions hit hard after a great display at Sheff Utd. Because we are so short, we sign Grant Ward, that’s the guy we didn’t want to sign btw.

The Knobber game comes. A tactical masterclass from Appleton, I’ve never seen us score 4 v those before, what a moment. This is followed up by Coventry away. There’s a bit of a connection at full-time as Appleton’s tangerine army is cranked out and he shows a bit of emotion.

It then goes completely tits up. We’ve got Grant Ward right back in a game. We’ve no option at centre forward bar for one with one groin (see then summer balls up). We’re depleted but we’ve not strengthened correctly to cover this and left ourselves short on quality. Most our loans have flopped. Permanent signings in Thompson & Wright, haven’t hit the ground running.

Defeats follow, the support from 2 weeks ago is waning completely & lots who didn’t want him in the summer have been waiting for this moment that culminates in a good chunk singing to our own manager, that’s us who claim to be such brilliant fans, “you’re getting sacked in the morning!” WTAF. This is despite by the way, playing 73 minutes plus with 10 men & Kenny Dougall centre back as we’ve nobody else!

In an even stranger plot twist, he then claps the fans at the end and people give him a load of shit and say he was taking the piss clapping. He usually has his hands in his pockets apparently? People say he’s passionless and doesn’t motivate etc. He’s made changes in the middle of numerous games to effect the results positively but that’s not good as the West Stand say he’s got his hands in his pockets. Jeez.

I’ll end it by saying like I started it. The board knew nobody wanted him. This is on them. He’s come in and been dealt shit hands on suspensions, injuries and failures from the board to sign players. He’s definitely made mistakes, I’m baffled why we’ve still got Chris Maxwell in net letting in corners, but if you think this is all on Michael Appleton and changing him changes the problems then you aren’t thinking logically.

The mindset needs to change fast. You can’t not spend money in this league and you are only as good as your recruitment. There’s some very well paid people who are involved in this process. They need to get it sorted because even if the Manager changes, that won’t. Not stupid money but not by making stupid bids.

To emphasise this point, we went pretty mad in the January window in 2019… Madine… Thorniley.. KDH… Ronan etc and a couple more then sacked the Manager weeks later. Ben Mansford was in charge then btw. Suppose that was Appletons fault.
Bang on the money.
 
Good post and I can see that point of view...however I see Appleton as fully Compos Mentis to the situation and that is why he was given a four year deal. The board knew the manager would get shit at some point as there was no intention to invest and therefore employed someone with the experience and thick skin to just carry on regardless though it. I totally agree the board and definitely the recruitment team are massively at fault but where our opinion differs is that I think Appleton was in on the gig right from the off and is not some innocent victim in all this. For the record I would have sacked ALL the recruitment advisors if I was Simon Sadler. As I have said elsewhere I am a Blackpool FC fan above all else and I dont really care who owns the club and is the manager as long as they do what is best for the club...Im afraid that isnt happening at the moment and it was all fairly predictable given the recruitment, ticket pricing and the choice of manager
Appleton didn’t have a job did he? He was always gonna take this one, why wouldn’t he? I think he was shocked by people using the Oyston regime to criticise him and he even made the point himself that he started something that the fans finished.

Championship Club, friendly with the CEO…

Just saw a tweet that’s an interesting one.

Neil Critchleys last 10 games in charge.
2 wins (1 at relegated Barnsley), 3 draws, 5 defeats.

Battered by Forest at home
Beat by Nobbers
Battered Brum at home
Beat by Derby (relegated)
Battered by Pboro (relegated)

And that wasn’t because we were already safe, we had an outside squeak or the play-offs for the Forest game… and we had Josh Bowler then apart from the last 5 games when he was fatigued 🤣
 
I didn’t agree with the appointment… I’ve already said why.

You are right that he’s been let down through a lack of support in the transfer market. I’m just not sure if that has just been unfortunate or whether we simply aren’t prepared to fund the necessary players.

As I said at the outset, if you are going to essentially back your man ‘with words’ against the overwhelming will of the supporters, then you need to make damned sure he has all the tools he needs to do the job.

We’ve got a decent squad and we really shouldn’t be in the position we are in, but Applegoose has been hung out to dry so far really.
 
As I said at the outset, if you are going to essentially back your man ‘with words’ against the overwhelming will of the supporters, then you need to make damned sure he has all the tools he needs to do the job.
This is spot on.

I would have been a bit concerned if I was him that the board thought it normal to take him the Armfield Club. He’s just been appointed Manager at a Championship Club and he’s whipping his kit off in the local boozer.

Be a mad one for Appleton going back home and his bird asking how his meeting went…

In the grand scheme of things it’s not much and I keep bringing it up because I just can’t imagine it happening anywhere else? You make your appointment you stand by it.
 
Appleton didn’t have a job did he? He was always gonna take this one, why wouldn’t he? I think he was shocked by people using the Oyston regime to criticise him and he even made the point himself that he started something that the fans finished.

Championship Club, friendly with the CEO…

Just saw a tweet that’s an interesting one.

Neil Critchleys last 10 games in charge.
2 wins (1 at relegated Barnsley), 3 draws, 5 defeats.

Battered by Forest at home
Beat by Nobbers
Battered Brum at home
Beat by Derby (relegated)
Battered by Pboro (relegated)

And that wasn’t because we were already safe, we had an outside squeak or the play-offs for the Forest game… and we had Josh Bowler then apart from the last 5 games when he was fatigued 🤣
I wasnt unhappy to see Critchley leave as personally I thought he had run his course...my question to you is are we the second worst team in this division?...the answer for me is no we certainly are not and we are therefore under performing. The inconsistency in performances sends out massive alarm bells and we either seem very good as in against Burnley, Sheff Utd, Coventry, QPR or abject as in Hull Rotherham Barrow Boro etc etc.
 
I’ll start by saying I didn’t want him, like pretty much every Blackpool fan. No issue with what what happened in his last reign, just didn’t think he’d done that great at Oxford, Lincoln and had an idea of his demeanour and the way he interviewed etc. That said, he’s out of work, gets the gig at a Championship Club. He must be buzzing, despite everyone moaning about his appointment.

I’m guessing the night he took his top off at the Armfield Club with Mansford and Brett Gerrity accompanying him he probably thought WTF is this about. He probably had that same feeling when we missed out on Simms and Hirst and god knows who else in the striking department as well as managing to create an issue on a medical with Colby Bishop, who’s looking really medically unfit as he scores most weeks in League 1.

We win the first game, but everyone moans about the 2nd half and there’s loads missing a good old fist pump at full-time. Results after that are mixed but a great win at QPR and comeback at Burnley are dampened by injuries to 3/4 of our midfield. We still didn’t sign a midfielder & we’re left short for a month that resulted in a formation change, forced on him and away from his 4-3-3 principles. Appletons tangerine army isn’t going off much. Loads aren’t buying it.

The Bowler saga drags on for weeks and ends on deadline day, but it’s all good apparently as we’ve already sorted his replacement in Poveda and brought in Callum Wright. Oh & where are those whoppers who dismissed the criticism of our recruitment by countering it with the signings for our development squad? That’s a bit daft now isn’t it looking back, as was said at the time.

Anyway back to MA. Because we’ve not been able to sign a midfielder because we make stupid bids that don’t get accepted or we get played completely like Brannigan did (very stupid we didn’t work this out), we end up going for ex-Prem midfielders with no club. I’ve noticed the past week or so there’s been digs galore from the board at the mentality of these players who have earned lots of money and don’t want to play anymore. Here’s a thought… why are we ending up going for them?? So after Drinkwater and another say no, we end up with Bridcutt. Whilst this has been going on Grant Ward has been hanging round the gaff but MA says a few times we won’t be signing him.

Injuries and suspensions hit hard after a great display at Sheff Utd. Because we are so short, we sign Grant Ward, that’s the guy we didn’t want to sign btw.

The Knobber game comes. A tactical masterclass from Appleton, I’ve never seen us score 4 v those before, what a moment. This is followed up by Coventry away. There’s a bit of a connection at full-time as Appleton’s tangerine army is cranked out and he shows a bit of emotion.

It then goes completely tits up. We’ve got Grant Ward right back in a game. We’ve no option at centre forward bar for one with one groin (see then summer balls up). We’re depleted but we’ve not strengthened correctly to cover this and left ourselves short on quality. Most our loans have flopped. Permanent signings in Thompson & Wright, haven’t hit the ground running.

Defeats follow, the support from 2 weeks ago is waning completely & lots who didn’t want him in the summer have been waiting for this moment that culminates in a good chunk singing to our own manager, that’s us who claim to be such brilliant fans, “you’re getting sacked in the morning!” WTAF. This is despite by the way, playing 73 minutes plus with 10 men & Kenny Dougall centre back as we’ve nobody else!

In an even stranger plot twist, he then claps the fans at the end and people give him a load of shit and say he was taking the piss clapping. He usually has his hands in his pockets apparently? People say he’s passionless and doesn’t motivate etc. He’s made changes in the middle of numerous games to effect the results positively but that’s not good as the West Stand say he’s got his hands in his pockets. Jeez.

I’ll end it by saying like I started it. The board knew nobody wanted him. This is on them. He’s come in and been dealt shit hands on suspensions, injuries and failures from the board to sign players. He’s definitely made mistakes, I’m baffled why we’ve still got Chris Maxwell in net letting in corners, but if you think this is all on Michael Appleton and changing him changes the problems then you aren’t thinking logically.

The mindset needs to change fast. You can’t not spend money in this league and you are only as good as your recruitment. There’s some very well paid people who are involved in this process. They need to get it sorted because even if the Manager changes, that won’t. Not stupid money but not by making stupid bids.

To emphasise this point, we went pretty mad in the January window in 2019… Madine… Thorniley.. KDH… Ronan etc and a couple more then sacked the Manager weeks later. Ben Mansford was in charge then btw. Suppose that was Appletons fault.
Do you think he’s got the best out of the players at his disposal though?

I don’t think he has by a long stretch and that is why he needs to go now.
 
I wasnt unhappy to see Critchley leave as personally I thought he had run his course...my question to you is are we the second worst team in this division?...the answer for me is no we certainly are not and we are therefore under performing. The inconsistency in performances sends out massive alarm bells and we either seem very good as in against Burnley, Sheff Utd, Coventry, QPR or abject as in Hull Rotherham Barrow Boro etc etc.
3rd or 4th worse maybe 😂🤷🏻‍♂️

I take the point. Budgets are massive in relation to league position but Luton are overachieving on this so it can be done. I just think he’s not been backed properly.

Bowler was a massive loss, he was irreplaceable but the players brought in aren’t playing. I listen to Mansford defend the Bishop deal on our rigid processes and research. Did we not do that about Poveda. If we’re paying a large chunk of his alleged obscene wage, did we not think to do some homework on his attitude? It can’t be a new thing? Or is it?

I’m not saying Appleton is the next Pep btw, I’m just saying that any manager would be struggling with that’s happened since the summer.
 
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Do you think he’s got the best out of the players at his disposal though?

I don’t think he has by a long stretch and that is why he needs to go now.
Good question.

Grimshaw - nope. Should be playing.
Connolly- he shouldn’t be our only option at right back. He gives 100% whenever.
Marv- gone backwards, could be missing Keogh.
Could be MA.
Thorniley- Yes he has.
Thompson- Started well then no, could be MA or it could be he’s just not that great?
Dougall- Same as Critchley
Carey- Same.
Patino- He’s 19 but he’s doing well.
Yates- He’s probably added 3-4 million on his price tag.
Madine- Yep, but he’s got one groin and 32
Lavery- Probably not, but new wide position. Lavery not been same since hammy last season.

It’s not bad is it?

The rest are pretty much unavailable?? Injured.

Thought Williams was excellent yesterday but they had no pace in the team so that suits him.

What do you think?
 
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Should've reintroduced Lavery and Thompson, possibly Grimshaw too, after Coventry. It was obvious some of the players had run out of steam.

Marv has cost us points again yesterday. Overall we were good for at least a point but we can't keep looking at these games in isolation, licking our wounds about bad luck, poor refs or individual mistakes from players. Ultimately the buck stops with Appleton.
 
I didn’t agree with the appointment… I’ve already said why.

You are right that he’s been let down through a lack of support in the transfer market. I’m just not sure if that has just been unfortunate or whether we simply aren’t prepared to fund the necessary players.

As I said at the outset, if you are going to essentially back your man ‘with words’ against the overwhelming will of the supporters, then you need to make damned sure he has all the tools he needs to do the job.

We’ve got a decent squad and we really shouldn’t be in the position we are in, but Applegoose has been hung out to dry so far really.
Absolutely correct !
 
Appleton didn’t have a job did he? He was always gonna take this one, why wouldn’t he? I think he was shocked by people using the Oyston regime to criticise him and he even made the point himself that he started something that the fans finished.

Championship Club, friendly with the CEO…

Just saw a tweet that’s an interesting one.

Neil Critchleys last 10 games in charge.
2 wins (1 at relegated Barnsley), 3 draws, 5 defeats.

Battered by Forest at home
Beat by Nobbers
Battered Brum at home
Beat by Derby (relegated)
Battered by Pboro (relegated)

And that wasn’t because we were already safe, we had an outside squeak or the play-offs for the Forest game… and we had Josh Bowler then apart from the last 5 games when he was fatigued 🤣
So is your point that the rot had started pre Appleton..? 🤔
 
So is your point that the rot had started pre Appleton..? 🤔
Just something to consider I suppose? Might be wrong just an interesting stat I thought.

We ended the season poorly, run out of steam, safe,, whatever it was?

That was probably a key sign we needed to strengthen the squad to cope with 2nd season syndrome etc.
 
Good question.

Grimshaw - nope. Should be playing.
Connolly- he shouldn’t be our only option at right back. He gives 100% whenever.
Marv- gone backwards, could be missing Keogh.
Could be MA.
Thorniley- Yes he has.
Thompson- Started well then no, could be MA or it could be he’s just not that great?
Dougall- Same as Critchley
Carey- Same.


Patino- He’s 19 but he’s doing well.
Yates- He’s probably added 3-4 million on his price tag.
Madine- Yep, but he’s got one groin and 32
Lavery- Probably not, but new wide position. Lavery not been same since hammy last season.

It’s not bad is it?

The rest are pretty much unavailable?? Injured.

Thought Williams was excellent yesterday but they had no pace in the team so that suits him.

What do you think?
I think you have nailed it again .
I don’t think we can say that Appleton himself has had a negative impact on players there’s just too much negative stuff going on around the squad to judge re injury’s and illness etc .
Grimshaw should be playing imho
 
I think you have nailed it again .
I don’t think we can say that Appleton himself has had a negative impact on players there’s just too much negative stuff going on around the squad to judge re injury’s and illness etc .
Grimshaw should be playing imho
One thing I will say about the injuries/suspension crisis etc.

MA has painted the depressing picture several times, he’s honest I get that, but the starting 11 last Saturday and yesterday is still good enough to get results.

As a leader your excuses become the excuses of the people you lead.

Telling everyone how tired, injured, depleted we are isn’t possibly the best message.
 
One thing I will say about the injuries/suspension crisis etc.

MA has painted the depressing picture several times, he’s honest I get that, but the starting 11 last Saturday and yesterday is still good enough to get results.

As a leader your excuses become the excuses of the people you lead.

Telling everyone how tired, injured, depleted we are isn’t possibly the best message.
Agreed
 
One thing I will say about the injuries/suspension crisis etc.

MA has painted the depressing picture several times, he’s honest I get that, but the starting 11 last Saturday and yesterday is still good enough to get results.

As a leader your excuses become the excuses of the people you lead.

Telling everyone how tired, injured, depleted we are isn’t possibly the best message.
Agree wholeheartedly with this and add in his little old Blackpool syndrome and he just isnt for me...as I have said I think he was fully aware he was walking into a job with no budget...the biggest culprits here are the recruitment team and heads should roll...however some of the blame has to sit with the manager and as nobody wanted him in the first place he is in for a rough ride if we fall behind to Birmingham
 
I just think we should get behind the manager tbh. If we sack him what then? Let's not kid ourselves, we aren't West Brom or Boro with good players underperforming. We are a League 1 squad performing really as expected with our injuries. Our players are just not good enough to cope with a few key injuries.
 
AK

"The mindset needs to change fast. You can’t not spend money in this league and you are only as good as your recruitment. There’s some very well paid people who are involved in this process. They need to get it sorted because even if the Manager changes, that won’t. Not stupid money but not by making stupid bids"

Picked this out from your post. It's spot on.
 
Really good O/P and a good thread. This has been far from a consolidation season and potentially we are at risk of being right in the shit. The biggest worry for me is that the magic has gone. Fans fighting and arguing amongst themselves. Fans chanting at the manager, who I will say doesn't always help himself with his demeanour and some of the decisions, but a manager I still think would do a good job with the right support, on which topic quality and experience is needed asap. Collectively it feels like we've dropped the ball somewhat (everyone has to own that a bit) since the boycott and promotion, and that really hurts. I hope we can use this month for a reset and come back stong.
 
Saw this thread but can’t see the tweet what was it?
Been taken off but grimmy liking and seemingly putting ⚽️ symbol on the post? The post about if we're not going to use him then let him go, don't ruin his career or something.

Again more disharmony.

The Appleton clap thread at first you might think he's just clapping but seems to be staring a bit too much, maybe being harsh but probably isn't the way to react, although receiving abuse.

You've mentioned yourself the realistic but almost loser mentality of how we're struggling for players and painting the depressing picture, we are struggling but it's not the mentality needed, players out there should still be enough.

He also stands completely passive on the sidelines, he also motivates the group and we've come out like shit too many times that we can't blame it all on injuries, defensively weak, making mistakes, low on confidence, Maxwell in goal....

Seems to have lost a lot of the fans and possibly some players if Grimmy if anything to go by.

There have been positives too but thats the negatives as I see it.
 
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AK

"The mindset needs to change fast. You can’t not spend money in this league and you are only as good as your recruitment. There’s some very well paid people who are involved in this process. They need to get it sorted because even if the Manager changes, that won’t. Not stupid money but not by making stupid bids"

Picked this out from your post. It's spot on.
Thanks. I think they’ve naively thought we can play at it this season. This League is so mental, you can’t. We’ve gone from flexing £££ in League 1 to still acting like we are in League 1.

You aren’t going to get Rotherham’s best player for £500,000 whether he’s out of contract next summer or not. Daft.

If we are going down this route which I think is the plan, it’s going to need a rethink or that’s where we will end up.
 
It’s a good, rational, summary. I don't think Sadler will want to lose the fan base by inaction after all he’s done, so what do you think he’ll do? Obviously you don’t know his plan and budget but what would you do?
 
It’s a good, rational, summary. I don't think Sadler will want to lose the fan base by inaction after all he’s done, so what do you think he’ll do? Obviously you don’t know his plan and budget but what would you do?
I think they’ll have the break, get some players back, give him that time time till NY to get results & hope it picks up.

We didn’t have a great list on that search after Critchley so not sure why that would change now and they’ll know that. I think they’ll also feel guilty that he’s having to deal with losing Bowler and Keogh and them not spending a great deal.

They’ll also have a much better grasp of what’s happening behind the scenes with the players, mood in camp.
 
I think they will sack him in the next couple of weeks

Bullshit won't want to take any blame so Appleton will be the fall guy

That's the way it goes and to be honest now he's lost the fans it's probably best if he does go
 
I think they’ll have the break, get some players back, give him that time time till NY to get results & hope it picks up.

We didn’t have a great list on that search after Critchley so not sure why that would change now and they’ll know that. I think they’ll also feel guilty that he’s having to deal with losing Bowler and Keogh and them not spending a great deal.

They’ll also have a much better grasp of what’s happening behind the scenes with the players, mood in camp.
You don’t know who was on the list, whether it was people who the club were interested in or actual applications, this has never been put in public domain .
 
You don’t know who was on the list, whether it was people who the club were interested in or actual applications, this has never been put in public domain .
No I don’t, but the names banded around were basically Rosenior and Appleton. We didn’t go out and try and get someone from another Club did we? If we did it would’ve come out the way the world is now.

The Critchley search wasn’t the best either, he was 5th choice? After a few knock backs.
 
I’ll start by saying I didn’t want him, like pretty much every Blackpool fan. No issue with what what happened in his last reign, just didn’t think he’d done that great at Oxford, Lincoln and had an idea of his demeanour and the way he interviewed etc. That said, he’s out of work, gets the gig at a Championship Club. He must be buzzing, despite everyone moaning about his appointment.

I’m guessing the night he took his top off at the Armfield Club with Mansford and Brett Gerrity accompanying him he probably thought WTF is this about. He probably had that same feeling when we missed out on Simms and Hirst and god knows who else in the striking department as well as managing to create an issue on a medical with Colby Bishop, who’s looking really medically unfit as he scores most weeks in League 1.

We win the first game, but everyone moans about the 2nd half and there’s loads missing a good old fist pump at full-time. Results after that are mixed but a great win at QPR and comeback at Burnley are dampened by injuries to 3/4 of our midfield. We still didn’t sign a midfielder & we’re left short for a month that resulted in a formation change, forced on him and away from his 4-3-3 principles. Appletons tangerine army isn’t going off much. Loads aren’t buying it.

The Bowler saga drags on for weeks and ends on deadline day, but it’s all good apparently as we’ve already sorted his replacement in Poveda and brought in Callum Wright. Oh & where are those whoppers who dismissed the criticism of our recruitment by countering it with the signings for our development squad? That’s a bit daft now isn’t it looking back, as was said at the time.

Anyway back to MA. Because we’ve not been able to sign a midfielder because we make stupid bids that don’t get accepted or we get played completely like Brannigan did (very stupid we didn’t work this out), we end up going for ex-Prem midfielders with no club. I’ve noticed the past week or so there’s been digs galore from the board at the mentality of these players who have earned lots of money and don’t want to play anymore. Here’s a thought… why are we ending up going for them?? So after Drinkwater and another say no, we end up with Bridcutt. Whilst this has been going on Grant Ward has been hanging round the gaff but MA says a few times we won’t be signing him.

Injuries and suspensions hit hard after a great display at Sheff Utd. Because we are so short, we sign Grant Ward, that’s the guy we didn’t want to sign btw.

The Knobber game comes. A tactical masterclass from Appleton, I’ve never seen us score 4 v those before, what a moment. This is followed up by Coventry away. There’s a bit of a connection at full-time as Appleton’s tangerine army is cranked out and he shows a bit of emotion.

It then goes completely tits up. We’ve got Grant Ward right back in a game. We’ve no option at centre forward bar for one with one groin (see then summer balls up). We’re depleted but we’ve not strengthened correctly to cover this and left ourselves short on quality. Most our loans have flopped. Permanent signings in Thompson & Wright, haven’t hit the ground running.

Defeats follow, the support from 2 weeks ago is waning completely & lots who didn’t want him in the summer have been waiting for this moment that culminates in a good chunk singing to our own manager, that’s us who claim to be such brilliant fans, “you’re getting sacked in the morning!” WTAF. This is despite by the way, playing 73 minutes plus with 10 men & Kenny Dougall centre back as we’ve nobody else!

In an even stranger plot twist, he then claps the fans at the end and people give him a load of shit and say he was taking the piss clapping. He usually has his hands in his pockets apparently? People say he’s passionless and doesn’t motivate etc. He’s made changes in the middle of numerous games to effect the results positively but that’s not good as the West Stand say he’s got his hands in his pockets. Jeez.

I’ll end it by saying like I started it. The board knew nobody wanted him. This is on them. He’s come in and been dealt shit hands on suspensions, injuries and failures from the board to sign players. He’s definitely made mistakes, I’m baffled why we’ve still got Chris Maxwell in net letting in corners, but if you think this is all on Michael Appleton and changing him changes the problems then you aren’t thinking logically.

The mindset needs to change fast. You can’t not spend money in this league and you are only as good as your recruitment. There’s some very well paid people who are involved in this process. They need to get it sorted because even if the Manager changes, that won’t. Not stupid money but not by making stupid bids.

To emphasise this point, we went pretty mad in the January window in 2019… Madine… Thorniley.. KDH… Ronan etc and a couple more then sacked the Manager weeks later. Ben Mansford was in charge then btw. Suppose that was Appletons fault.
Can’t remember the last time I agreed with a post more. Spot on.
 
I think they will sack him in the next couple of weeks

Bullshit won't want to take any blame so Appleton will be the fall guy

That's the way it goes and to be honest now he's lost the fans it's probably best if he does go
Can’t remember the last time I agreed with a post more. Spot on.
I will say though, Appleton’s body language and demeanour doesn’t help. I’m not asking for fist pumps. I’m not even asking him to change. But if you’re going to be as emotionless and motionless as he is then results have to come.

He’s not likeable
 
I think they will sack him in the next couple of weeks

Bullshit won't want to take any blame so Appleton will be the fall guy

That's the way it goes and to be honest now he's lost the fans it's probably best if he does go
Yeh now you’ve said that, that would make sense from BM’s perspective and his ego.

Losing the fans is a mad one. Think he never had them did he even after Coventry on the back of Knobbers.

If we were to pot him, it better not be weeks long search. They need to have someone ready to go.
 
Yeh now you’ve said that, that would make sense from BM’s perspective and his ego.

Losing the fans is a mad one. Think he never had them did he even after Coventry on the back of Knobbers.

If we were to pot him, it better not be weeks long search. They need to have someone ready to go.
Yeah I don't think anybody really wanted his as first choice

However I think he should have been supported more by the board and by a large proportion of our fanbase

The whole situation is a right cluster fcuk
 
Someone said there was a plan for change and that boro won't have slowed it down.

There might have been a minimum requirement from the Wigan game, a huge game.

Must win for me but probably at least do not lose.

We lost, Marv cost us but players keep making silly mistakes game after game, compounding our injury issues.

With seemingly losing the fans and the form I'd be surprised if they keep him.
 
Yeah I don't think anybody really wanted his as first choice

However I think he should have been supported more by the board and by a large proportion of our fanbase

The whole situation is a right cluster fcuk
It is, but self created?

That’s why I’m questioning the decision making process on recruitment.
 
Someone said there was a plan for change and that boro won't have slowed it down.

There might have been a minimum requirement from the Wigan game, a huge game.

Must win for me but probably at least do not lose.

We lost, Marv cost us but players keep making silly mistakes game after game, compounding our injury issues.

With seemingly losing the fans and the form I'd be surprised if they keep him.
I’d be very surprised if they sack him.

Either way it’s lose-lose for the board in the current situation.

Sack him and they make themselves look very silly for hiring him in the first place.

Keep him and there will always be supporters who wont warm to him, whatever he does.
 
I think they will sack him in the next couple of weeks

Bullshit won't want to take any blame so Appleton will be the fall guy

That's the way it goes and to be honest now he's lost the fans it's probably best if he does go
Fans can be won back, players can't. Think it's more them sending the clearest message as they've got nearer this break that they need help from above.

They've given what they can but Sadler & the board have stacked the odds against them with all the decisions they've made this year.
 
No I don’t, but the names banded around were basically Rosenior and Appleton. We didn’t go out and try and get someone from another Club did we? If we did it would’ve come out the way the world is now.

The Critchley search wasn’t the best either, he was 5th choice? After a few knock backs.
Again , Speculation . You don’t know that Critchley was 5th choice ! Yes we asked other clubs if we could speak to their managers but that doesn’t mean we offered them a job .
 
I’d be very surprised if they sack him.

Either way it’s lose-lose for the board in the current situation.

Sack him and they make themselves look very silly for hiring him in the first place.

Keep him and there will always be supporters who wont warm to him, whatever he does.
Supporters are fickle beings, they will get behind him again when we are midtable and on a good cup run.
It is ok calling for his head but would we replace him with better?
At least as many fans, would object to Critchley coming back, suppose Grayson could be tempted back from India, but he is considerably worse than Appleton.
Only manager from lower leagues, I really rate is, Ainsworth but he is a nobber.
 
Again , Speculation . You don’t know that Critchley was 5th choice ! Yes we asked other clubs if we could speak to their managers but that doesn’t mean we offered them a job .
Ok so we spent about 3 weeks just asking other clubs if we could speak to their Manager to not appoint them, to then pick someone who hadn’t been mentioned at all.

I know it’s speculation but it’s not hard to piece it together is it?
 
Fans can be won back, players can't. Think it's more them sending the clearest message as they've got nearer this break that they need help from above.

They've given what they can but Sadler & the board have stacked the odds against them with all the decisions they've made this year.
Only a few short weeks ago Appleton went onto the pitch to protect some players, against McBurnie and others.
I do not see a lack of effort from the players as in this poor run half the uninjured squad were sick.
Williams who has been getting dogs abuse from some of our supporters is playing through an injury. Others such as Madine are playing 100% of the time due to squad shortages when clearly he could do with a break
 
I’d be very surprised if they sack him.

Either way it’s lose-lose for the board in the current situation.

Sack him and they make themselves look very silly for hiring him in the first place.

Keep him and there will always be supporters who wont warm to him, whatever he does.
Yeah and why it's a shit show, but always on the cards with an appointment fans didn't want when he doesn't do well.

The injuries haven't helped but we also haven't helped ourselves with player discipline, defensively weak, poor performances etc.

Maybe they will hope it'll blow over with the break and with some players back he must then get some results.

But even if we win a few, as soon as we lose some fans are on his back.

People had initial apathy and feeling towards it and had only just put them to one side, now its confirmed for many. Hard to recover from that.
 
Yeah and why it's a shit show, but always on the cards with an appointment fans didn't want when he doesn't do well.

The injuries haven't helped but we also haven't helped ourselves with player discipline, defensively weak, poor performances etc.

Maybe they will hope it'll blow over with the break and with some players back he must then get some results.

But even if we win a few, as soon as we lose some fans are on his back.

People had initial apathy and feeling towards it and had only just put them to one side, now its confirmed for many. Hard to recover from that.
yep, good post and good points. It's barely a month since everything seemed bright, with good performances, good results and people singing his praises.
 
Appleton didn’t have a job did he? He was always gonna take this one, why wouldn’t he? I think he was shocked by people using the Oyston regime to criticise him and he even made the point himself that he started something that the fans finished.

Championship Club, friendly with the CEO…

Just saw a tweet that’s an interesting one.

Neil Critchleys last 10 games in charge.
2 wins (1 at relegated Barnsley), 3 draws, 5 defeats.

Battered by Forest at home
Beat by Nobbers
Battered Brum at home
Beat by Derby (relegated)
Battered by Pboro (relegated)

And that wasn’t because we were already safe, we had an outside squeak or the play-offs for the Forest game… and we had Josh Bowler then apart from the last 5 games when he was fatigued 🤣
Those last five games were a bit of a shit show, the Brum game was as weird as the others as we came out and battered a team for the first time which really wasn't in the critchley playbook Kind of wondered to myself at the time what was going on.
The forest game we were easily worked out, caught way too often in possession derby the same. Made Rooney look like a tactical genius
Preston game we just didn't turn up, Peterborough the players were already on holidays.
 
He's not had a full, fit and available squad. There have been some cracking performances which show what this team is capable of. He wasn't a crap manager after the PNE and Coventry games & I don't think he's a crap manager now. We've had a lousy run of luck, injuries and results - and yes some of the displays have been dismal - but once the season re-starts we will have more of the squad back & hopefully the powers that be will organise a signing or two. Fingers crossed - because being in the bottom 3 doesn't feel nice. We are only 9 points off the playoff's though.
 
There are some very good points on this thread and AK's opening post is pretty much right on the money.

We are now at the tipping point, there are a number of ways it could go:

He stays, the board backs him, we refresh the squad, we stay up?/we go down?
He stays, we have another clusterfuck transfer window, we somehow stay up?/we go down?

He goes, the board backs the new man, we refresh the squad, we stay up?/we go down?
He goes, the board allows another clusterfuck transfer window, we somehow stay up?/we go down?

Whether he stays or goes to me is less important than the board needing to realise that if we want to remain a Championship club we simply cannot do it on the cheap.
I understand our financial limitations but you can't expect to stay at this level unless you give your manager/head coach the tools to do the job, whoever he may be.
 
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