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Philbfctrois

Philbfctrois

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That homosexuality is wrong then that's their perogative

8 countries in the World Cup think the same, who are we to try and tell them otherwise
 
Or that rape is acceptable as women are inferior or racism is fine because eugenics suggest the superior race can do so?

Not sure where you’re going with this Phil to be honest? I’m for opinions and freedoms of speech however treating humans as humans is paramount for me bud.

If we slip back the other way, where do you draw the line? Could you have a nation where the age of consent is 10 years old? It makes me shudder
 
Philbfctrois said:
That homosexuality is wrong then that's their perogative

8 countries in the World Cup think the same, who are we to try and tell them otherwise
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Due to living in a civilised society LGBTQ people fought for and now have a voice. Something that will never happen in the 8 countries you state.

Thankfully those with a voice are speaking out for those without.
 
Chunkylad said:
Or that rape is acceptable as women are inferior or racism is fine because eugenics suggest the superior race can do so?

Not sure where you’re going with this Phil to be honest? I’m for opinions and freedoms of speech however treating humans as humans is paramount for me bud.

If we slip back the other way, where do you draw the line? Could you have a nation where the age of consent is 10 years old? It makes me shudder
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Rape is illegal in Qatar and punishable by the death sentence
 
Many years ago I heard a comedian use the phrase Miracle Retard to describe someone who miraculously manages to have the wrong take on every single issue.
I'd never use the phrase myself, but I find it popping into my head when I read your threads
 
look.its.luke said:
Many years ago I heard a comedian use the phrase Miracle Retard to describe someone who miraculously manages to have the wrong take on every single issue.
I'd never use the phrase myself, but I find it popping into my head when I read your threads
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Not really relevant I know, but reading your well worded post, reminded me that the offensive insult (retard - what a horrible word) was also used by Bowlhead against one of our supporters!
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
Sorry but that just isnt true...there is no legal age of marriage over there so girls of any age can be married and subjected to statutory rape at any time...
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Qatar retains the death penalty by firing squad or hanging for crimes including murder, terrorism, rape, drug trafficking, treason and espionage.
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
Sorry but that just isnt true...there is no legal age of marriage over there so girls of any age can be married and subjected to statutory rape at any time...
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It's so sad just reading this, I also found out 117 nations allow children( under 18) to marry including the USA..
 
He’s coming home said:
Gretna is in Scotland hence why folk go there to get married , Scotland is still 16, England will change to 18 in February.
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People went to Gretna to get married aged 16 or 17 as they were able to without parental consent in Scotland.

I’m England you were allowed to get married at 16 or 17 but only with parental consent
 
Philbfctrois said:
That homosexuality is wrong then that's their perogative

8 countries in the World Cup think the same, who are we to try and tell them otherwise
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There was a country in 1939 who used to put Jewish people in gas chambers. Was that their perogative (sic)?
 
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Philbfctrois said:
Qatar retains the death penalty by firing squad or hanging for crimes including murder, terrorism, rape, drug trafficking, treason and espionage.
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I think the point is, it wouldn't be rape if you married a 6 year old, and there's no law to stop that and as such, sex with a 6 year old would be permissible and not rape.

Deep down, you know that was the point.
 
Newholland said:
True but however appalled other countries were, it was only when said country invaded and forced their evil ways on others anything was done.
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So that's OK then, so long as Qatar don't invade anywhere, we shouldn't mention it or try to persuade them to change that attitude?
 
Newholland said:
True but however appalled other countries were, it was only when said country invaded and forced their evil ways on others anything was done.
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We (TPTB at least) knew full well what was going on and chose not to bomb the tracks or anything like that because the whole enterprise was diverting resources from the German war effort.
 
This is a feeble thread from an OP who wanted it to be pulled because of his recent experiences and his thread objecting to having his threads removed.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
This is a feeble thread from an OP who wanted it to be pulled because of his recent experiences and his thread objecting to having his threads removed.
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What!!!!?

You mean he’s playing the victim card?

Complaining about his freedom of speech being infringed?

At the same time as moaning about a black lady who is exercising her freedom of speech?

Well crikey. Something seems a bit wrong there.
 
Newholland said:
Not implied... it’s what happened.
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So are you saying history tells us to ignore other countries' issues?

Surely we should learn from pre war attitudes and take a firmer stance when other countries go against what we consider to be decent behaviour and challenge it.
 
Wizaard said:
So are you saying history tells us to ignore other countries' issues?

Surely we should learn from pre war attitudes and take a firmer stance when other countries go against what we consider to be decent behaviour and challenge it.
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Playing Devil’s Advocate, we did interfere in another Middle Eastern country at the beginning of this century and it didn’t turn out that well.
 
Wizaard said:
So are you saying history tells us to ignore other countries' issues?

Surely we should learn from pre war attitudes and take a firmer stance when other countries go against what we consider to be decent behaviour and challenge it.
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The idea that we as a country show anything resembling a firm and consistent front against indecent behaviour is just a nonsense though Wiz. Appeasement and turning a blind eye is just diplomacy and an explanation away from fully justified war. Two sides of the same coin.

We fund genocides in the middle east, turn a blind eye to China's treatment of the Uyghurs. Letting Stalin have half of Europe was appeasement. It's just diplomacy you don't like, that's all. This ceaseless moralism is tiresome.

I'm gonna start a thread on Lady Di who championed genuinely unfashionable causes with no hope of gaining any kudos. When I see Prince Wills and other celebs chiming up about climate change, other 'on-message' causes, the telly goes off immediately. It's boring. What the woke lot don't understand is that they're boring everyone into extreme positions through suffocating piousness.
 
Wizaard said:
So are you saying history tells us to ignore other countries' issues?

Surely we should learn from pre war attitudes and take a firmer stance when other countries go against what we consider to be decent behaviour and challenge it.
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No but post 43 has beaten me to my point.
What do you think the UK or us as individuals should actually do as regards opposite to the stance of the OP?
 
Newholland said:
No but post 43 has beaten me to my point.
What do you think the UK or us as individuals should actually do as regards opposite to the stance of the OP?
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I don’t think we should go to war. Partly because we can’t afford to. But mainly because it brings with it lots of bloodshed and unanticipated consequences.

That doesn’t mean we don’t have the right to speak up when we find another country’s policies abhorrent (look at the current crack down in China; or the policies in Afghanistan for two).

We just have to accept that our ability to influence shit in the world is limited. But it doesn’t follow we shouldn’t do the little we can.
 
Newholland said:
No but post 43 has beaten me to my point.
What do you think the UK or us as individuals should actually do as regards opposite to the stance of the OP?
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I wouldn't go there personally. As a country, we should use our diplomatic clout to express our disapproval.
 
poolseasider said:
So we don't have grooming gangs raping your girls in this country do we OK then.
FFS stop burying your heads in the sand and taking issue with other countries with your moral bullshit crusades.
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We've dealt with the Catholic Church, football coaches won't get away with it any more, the scouts is a much safer place these days. Boarding schools still have a few problems, Jimmy Saville is dead thankfully.
Keep an eye on your own kids, look after them and set parameters and they'll probably be safe aswell.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
I don’t think we should go to war. Partly because we can’t afford to. But mainly because it brings with it lots of bloodshed and unanticipated consequences.

That doesn’t mean we don’t have the right to speak up when we find another country’s policies abhorrent (look at the current crack down in China; or the policies in Afghanistan for two).

We just have to accept that our ability to influence shit in the world is limited. But it doesn’t follow we shouldn’t do the little we can.
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Totally agree👍
 
Wizaard said:
I wouldn't go there personally. As a country, we should use our diplomatic clout to express our disapproval.
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Agree... I think the UK sports minister did his bit and I applaud him. I was disappointed the English and Welsh FA backed down but understood why.
The good to come from the WC being held there is they have inadvertently highlighted their poor record on such matters to a world audience.
I agree in many ways with the OP, let’s face it our record of imposing “our way” on the rest of the world is less than impressive... better to let the way of a progressive world eventually overcome the last of the dinosaurs.
 
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