If a country decides

Newholland said:
Agree... I think the UK sports minister did his bit and I applaud him. I was disappointed the English and Welsh FA backed down but understood why.
The good to come from the WC being held there is they have inadvertently highlighted their poor record on such matters to a world audience.
I agree in many ways with the OP, let’s face it our record of imposing “our way” on the rest of the world is less than impressive... better to let the way of a progressive world eventually overcome the last of the dinosaurs.
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Don’t agree! The op was basically saying we should STFU and let them get on with it.

Despite the hypocrisy most of us are saying “Nah!!!! It’s not right. And we’re going to call it out”.

Whilst watching the tournament.
 
gjr69 said:
We've dealt with the Catholic Church, football coaches won't get away with it any more, the scouts is a much safer place these days. Boarding schools still have a few problems, Jimmy Saville is dead thankfully.
Keep an eye on your own kids, look after them and set parameters and they'll probably be safe aswell.
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Open your eyes this is happening in the 21st Century NOW not yester year when all those cases wrongly happened and we have the the cheek to try to dictate to a Muslim country.
Absolute bunch of bloody hypocrites
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Don’t agree! The op was basically saying we should STFU and let them get on with it.

Despite the hypocrisy most of us are saying “Nah!!!! It’s not right. And we’re going to call it out”.

Whilst watching the tournament.
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... that’s your take on the OP... I think the OP is having a little chuckle 😉
 
poolseasider said:
Open your eyes this is happening in the 21st Century NOW not yester year when all those cases wrongly happened and we have the the cheek to try to dictate to a Muslim country.
Absolute bunch of bloody hypocrites
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It does happen. But my guess is it happens a lot less when you pay more attention to your kids. I'm not excusing the scumbags that do it but don't give them the opportunity and it won't happen.
Loads we need to sort out over here before we start telling other countries what to do, I agree with that, and eventually countries like Qatar will come to the conclusion that being gay doesn’t make you a bad person, but doing bad things to others does.
 
The "Lefties" on here with their belief that their moral principles are so much better than others is always amusing.
 
20togo said:
The "Lefties" on here with their belief that their moral principles are so much better than others is always amusing.
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Hope I'm not considered a leftie! I just think about things and draw my own conclusions, on that basis I'm a left, right and centrey, but my overriding opinion is whats the least harmful to the most people or the best thing for most people.
 
gjr69 said:
Hope I'm not considered a leftie! I just think about things and draw my own conclusions, on that basis I'm a left, right and centrey, but my overriding opinion is whats the least harmful to the most people or the best thing for most people.
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I have known you a long time and always considered you to be a leftie 😁
 
20togo said:
The "Lefties" on here with their belief that their moral principles are so much better than others is always amusing.
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So you think criminalising homosexuality is a sound moral judgement?

Qatar's position is roundly condemned by all political persuasions, I would argue that the Tory party in this country are in many ways far more progressive than the left, especially candidate wise, fuck all to do with your obsession with lefties, (edited).
 
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20togo said:
Thanks, It's incredibly amusing that some on here love to tell us how they are not gonna watch the football because of their moral principles. As if anyone anywhere else in the world gives a damn about what some-one says on this obscure message board. But hey, in their mind their conscience is clear. 😂
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Yet you don't seem to mind people giving opinions you agree with on here?
 
So you don't care what happens....as long as it's you not making a stand?
You know something is wrong but you're happy to go along with it because it doesn't affect you?

And that's where you are making the split of being either right or left

so Just as a thought....if the majority say something is wrong and they fight against it......but you don't fight against it......you must then agree with it?
it's not 'right' or 'left'....it's a 'right' or 'wrong'.......agreeing that something shouldn't happen...

So how would you deal with someone who ignored the obvious problem in front of them and backed a regime that was obviously corrupt???
 
B_Side_The_C_Side said:
So you don't care what happens....as long as it's you not making a stand?
You know something is wrong but you're happy to go along with it because it doesn't affect you?

And that's where you are making the split of being either right or left

so Just as a thought....if the majority say something is wrong and they fight against it......but you don't fight against it......you must then agree with it?
it's not 'right' or 'left'....it's a 'right' or 'wrong'.......agreeing that something shouldn't happen...

So how would you deal with someone who ignored the obvious problem in front of them and backed a regime that was obviously corrupt???
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mmmm... let me think about this. The war in Ukraine is wrong, the WC being held in Qatar is not necessarily wrong but what most people believe is the corruption in FIFA awarding it to Qatar is wrong, The problem as us Westerners see it with the treatment of women in places like Iran and Afghanistan is wrong. i saw a news article a couple of days ago showing an Afghan woman complaining that the problem of womens rights in Afghanistan seem to have been forgotten about because it's now more topical to talk about the problems of Iranian women. And that's what the western world media, govt's, people and others do. They move from one topic to another to try and keep themselves relevant. That's the way the world works. Why? Because billions of people just have to get on with their lives on a daily basis. And yes, when it comes to everyday folk like you and me then imo, it's the lefties who seem to think that they have this higher standard of moral judgement and like to make a point of it.

You only have to read some of the other political threads to realise that.
 
Philbfctrois said:
Qatar retains the death penalty by firing squad or hanging for crimes including murder, terrorism, rape, drug trafficking, treason and espionage.
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20togo said:
mmmm... let me think about this. The war in Ukraine is wrong, the WC being held in Qatar is not necessarily wrong but what most people believe is the corruption in FIFA awarding it to Qatar is wrong, The problem as us Westerners see it with the treatment of women in places like Iran and Afghanistan is wrong. i saw a news article a couple of days ago showing an Afghan woman complaining that the problem of womens rights in Afghanistan seem to have been forgotten about because it's now more topical to talk about the problems of Iranian women. And that's what the western world media, govt's, people and others do. They move from one topic to another to try and keep themselves relevant. That's the way the world works. Why? Because billions of people just have to get on with their lives on a daily basis. And yes, when it comes to everyday folk like you and me then imo, it's the lefties who seem to think that they have this higher standard of moral judgement and like to make a point of it.

You only have to read some of the other political threads to realise that.
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You talk about moving from one topic to another to stay relevant. Well, you've moved from the WC in Qatar to women's rights in Afghanistan, then to Iran then on to 'lefties'. Bizarre just bizarre.
 
Talking about 'the western media' as a monolith in the same reductive way people talk about the opinions and experiences of "straight white men", "the Muslims' or "lefties/gammon"...is a sure sign you're either thick or being disingenuous.

The ethics of morality are so massively complex that the greatest minds in history have been struggling to understand them for thousands of years.

So as a general point that applies to people across the political spectrum, if you're making the it's not difficult to understand, the strawman or the whatabout arguments... you're either a bit thick or not being honest.
 
What should you do?

You are a married man who is arguing every day with your wife. Really vicious stuff, screaming at each other, throwing plates...the works.
You look out the bedroom window and see your neighbour beating his wife up in the back garden.
If you don't call the police, you're fairly sure he's not going to stop.

Of course, you know if you call the police the first thing the neighbour will say is that your own marriage is on the rocks and he's actually, suddenly, really worried about your wife. Maybe the police officer should look into that first before getting involved with him and his missus.

Is the right thing to call the police and make as many people aware of the situation as possible?
The wife can't call the police like you can, she hasn't got a phone, can't speak English, nobody listens to her.

Maybe your call won't make any difference. He might clean his act up when the police come round and go back to his old ways once they leave.

Maybe you're uncomfortable that your own marriage will come under scrutiny, or that the neighbour will start a campaign of abuse against you.

My answer would be:

"I should call the police and make as much fuss as possible, while also recognising and working on my own marriage."

The same answer would apply, I think, even if I was beating my own wife in the above scenario.

The change should be in my own behaviour, not my silence in calling out and amplifying other injustices.
 
20togo said:
mmmm... let me think about this. The war in Ukraine is wrong, the WC being held in Qatar is not necessarily wrong but what most people believe is the corruption in FIFA awarding it to Qatar is wrong, The problem as us Westerners see it with the treatment of women in places like Iran and Afghanistan is wrong. i saw a news article a couple of days ago showing an Afghan woman complaining that the problem of womens rights in Afghanistan seem to have been forgotten about because it's now more topical to talk about the problems of Iranian women. And that's what the western world media, govt's, people and others do. They move from one topic to another to try and keep themselves relevant. That's the way the world works. Why? Because billions of people just have to get on with their lives on a daily basis. And yes, when it comes to everyday folk like you and me then imo, it's the lefties who seem to think that they have this higher standard of moral judgement and like to make a point of it.

You only have to read some of the other political threads to realise that.
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Actually it's the right wing owned media that flit on to other topics and influence what others think, so it's you righties that cause the 'forgotten' aspect. Take responsibility instead of blaming everyone but yourself.
 
Wizaard said:
Actually it's the right wing owned media that flit on to other topics and influence what others think, so it's you righties that cause the 'forgotten' aspect. Take responsibility instead of blaming everyone but yourself.
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I don't think there is any such thing as the right wing owned media these days

You only have to have seen the witch hunt towards Bojo and Trust to see that it doesn't exist these days

Unless of course you are living in a cave or your own agenda filled bubble
 
Philbfctrois said:
I don't think there is any such thing as the right wing owned media these days

You only have to have seen the witch hunt towards Bojo and Trust to see that it doesn't exist these days

Unless of course you are living in a cave or your own agenda filled bubble
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So the Telegraph, The Times, The Sun, The Mail are all lefties?

There was a turning against Boris and Truss because they were useless at what they were doing and destroying the country.
 
Wizaard said:
So the Telegraph, The Times, The Sun, The Mail are all lefties?

There was a turning against Boris and Truss because they were useless at what they were doing and destroying the country.
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I have no idea I don't read papers and haven't for several years

I'm more on about the BBC, iTV and Channel 4
 
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