If Appleton had have come over to us at the end…..

The ex-Nobber stuff is a shit stupid excuse.

Nobody said that about Tony Ellis, Brett Ormerod put us in the Premier League, nobody cared then. We beat Preston 4-2, so who cares?

We’ve given up the atmosphere this season which is essential in keeping us up… and who did most fans want instead of Appleton?

Liam fooking Rosenior who got the Tic-Tac at Derby and isn’t exactly flying at Hull is he.

I’m of the opinion that we missed a proper trick in the summer by not trying to kick on from Critchley by going to get someone else’s manager and make an exciting appointment but then I’m also of the opinion that when we did get MA we needed to bring the right players in and not sell our best player on the last day of the transfer deadline. All these fuck-ups are on the board, not the Manager.

Reading the tweets of grown adults talking about their own team just because Appleton is Manager is embarrassing. We should get in that ground on Thursday and raise the roof, that’s what we do isn’t it?? Best fans in the land blah shit blah the Twitter crew told us last season… that must only be when we have a manager they like or one that makes love hearts.

He’s not going to get sacked till they’ve backed him, they won’t want to sack him and they know they’ve hung him out to dry.

So put your hands up your skirts, find your town halls and get back to backing the football team, if the Manager is then shit then we fuck him off,
but when he’s backed with players we back him, not start acting like 13 year old girls.


The longer we don’t back the football team the worse this is going to get.

We may as well appoint Mr Motivator off the old Tv Am. Rev the crowd up if that’s what people want.

Do I think Michael Appleton is the answer? Probably not. But do I think moaning all the time about him having his hands in his pockets, saying Poveda should have been better earlier, not clapping (even though at Wigan they said he clapped sarcastically) is going to help this team stay up? No it definitely isn’t.

We need to grow up. The remit is to just stay up. We need to be on board to do it.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
TBH I genuinely don’t think this Club will go anywhere until our fans sort themselves out.

Why would any manager want anything to do with us. As soon as the going gets a bit tough, we give up and start blaming anyone and everyone.

Shittest Fans in the league this season by a mile…
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Got to say I agree. We’ve been brilliant as fans over the years but at the moment a lot of fans can’t see any further than their hatred for Appleton, irrespective of what he does. He needs to be given time and the backing to sort things out.
 
Adams Kebab said:
The ex-Nobber stuff is a shit stupid excuse.

Nobody said that about Tony Ellis, Brett Ormerod put us in the Premier League, nobody cared then. We beat Preston 4-2, so who cares?

We’ve given up the atmosphere this season which is essential in keeping us up… and who did most fans want instead of Appleton?

Liam fooking Rosenior who got the Tic-Tac at Derby and isn’t exactly flying at Hull is he.

I’m of the opinion that we missed a proper trick in the summer by not trying to kick on from Critchley by going to get someone else’s manager and make an exciting appointment but then I’m also of the opinion that when we did get MA we needed to bring the right players in and not sell our best player on the last day of the transfer deadline. All these fuck-ups are on the board, not the Manager.

Reading the tweets of grown adults talking about their own team just because Appleton is Manager is embarrassing. We should get in that ground on Thursday and raise the roof, that’s what we do isn’t it?? Best fans in the land blah shit blah the Twitter crew told us last season… that must only be when we have a manager they like or one that makes love hearts.

He’s not going to get sacked till they’ve backed him, they won’t want to sack him and they know they’ve hung him out to dry.

So put your hands up your skirts, find your town halls and get back to backing the football team, if the Manager is then shit then we fuck him off,
but when he’s backed with players we back him, not start acting like 13 year old girls.


The longer we don’t back the football team the worse this is going to get.

We may as well appoint Mr Motivator off the old Tv Am. Rev the crowd up if that’s what people want.

Do I think Michael Appleton is the answer? Probably not. But do I think moaning all the time about him having his hands in his pockets, saying Poveda should have been better earlier, not clapping (even though at Wigan they said he clapped sarcastically) is going to help this team stay up? No it definitely isn’t.

We need to grow up. The remit is to just stay up. We need to be on board to do it.
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Who knows maybe critch was successful for us last season because we actually got right behind the team especially at home compared to this season.
 
Adams Kebab said:
The ex-Nobber stuff is a shit stupid excuse.

Nobody said that about Tony Ellis, Brett Ormerod put us in the Premier League, nobody cared then. We beat Preston 4-2, so who cares?

We’ve given up the atmosphere this season which is essential in keeping us up… and who did most fans want instead of Appleton?

Liam fooking Rosenior who got the Tic-Tac at Derby and isn’t exactly flying at Hull is he.

I’m of the opinion that we missed a proper trick in the summer by not trying to kick on from Critchley by going to get someone else’s manager and make an exciting appointment but then I’m also of the opinion that when we did get MA we needed to bring the right players in and not sell our best player on the last day of the transfer deadline. All these fuck-ups are on the board, not the Manager.

Reading the tweets of grown adults talking about their own team just because Appleton is Manager is embarrassing. We should get in that ground on Thursday and raise the roof, that’s what we do isn’t it?? Best fans in the land blah shit blah the Twitter crew told us last season… that must only be when we have a manager they like or one that makes love hearts.

He’s not going to get sacked till they’ve backed him, they won’t want to sack him and they know they’ve hung him out to dry.

So put your hands up your skirts, find your town halls and get back to backing the football team, if the Manager is then shit then we fuck him off,
but when he’s backed with players we back him, not start acting like 13 year old girls.


The longer we don’t back the football team the worse this is going to get.

We may as well appoint Mr Motivator off the old Tv Am. Rev the crowd up if that’s what people want.

Do I think Michael Appleton is the answer? Probably not. But do I think moaning all the time about him having his hands in his pockets, saying Poveda should have been better earlier, not clapping (even though at Wigan they said he clapped sarcastically) is going to help this team stay up? No it definitely isn’t.

We need to grow up. The remit is to just stay up. We need to be on board to do it.
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I completely agree with you but I am almost resigned to the fact that our ground will be full of 'supporters' just waiting for something to go wrong over the next week so they can have a tantrum at the manager. We desperately need go score first on Thursday.
 
SomersetSeasider said:
Got to say I agree. We’ve been brilliant as fans over the years but at the moment a lot of fans can’t see any further than their hatred for Appleton, irrespective of what he does. He needs to be given time and the backing to sort things out.
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He’s been backed. He’s not good enough, and his comments after the game show his heart isn’t in it with us.
 
Bamber said:
I completely agree with you but I am almost resigned to the fact that our ground will be full of 'supporters' just waiting for something to go wrong over the next week so they can have a tantrum at the manager. We desperately need go score first on Thursday.
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Yep I agree, they aren’t ever going to come round some of them… all because… (drum roll) he left us 10 years ago.

The irony is not lost when some of these types wanted Critchley back 😂

What happens if we appoint someone else they don’t like? Tantrums again?
 
Adams Kebab said:
It’s a massive part for us at home. Definitely got us over the line in a few home games last season.

Take the atmosphere away and Josh Bowler last season and you’re not left with much.
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Another example of people spitting their dummy’s out and acting like children.

“We don’t like the appointment and are gunna blame the manager, instead of the board who made the appointment so because of this I’m not going to chant or go anymore.”

It’s actually becoming laughable.
 
ItsGrimUpNorth said:
Another example of people spitting their dummy’s out and acting like children.

“We don’t like the appointment and are gunna blame the manager, instead of the board who made the appointment so because of this I’m not going to chant or go anymore.”

It’s actually becoming laughable.
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Popping up on the timeline today pre-game so much negativity about a manager and then moaning he didn’t clap.

Baffled.

People saying they can’t be arsed going, he’s ruined it for them etc. Is it 5 points less than last season we are on 😆
 
ItsGrimUpNorth said:
Another example of people spitting their dummy’s out and acting like children.

“We don’t like the appointment and are gunna blame the manager, instead of the board who made the appointment so because of this I’m not going to chant or go anymore.”

It’s actually becoming laughable.
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Actually I blame the board for hiring MA and not MA, for the fact that MA isn’t good enough.

Still makes him not good enough though.

And I have no hatred for the fella or the fact he got poached and left us years ago.
 
Lala said:
Actually I blame the board for hiring MA and not MA, for the fact that MA isn’t good enough.

Still makes him not good enough though.

And I have no hatred for the fella or the fact he got poached and left us years ago.
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Blame blame blame , blame for what?? Being 10 points off the play offs with still 60 odd to play fir or because things aren’t quite going our way?? parhetic really🙁
 
Adams Kebab said:
The ex-Nobber stuff is a shit stupid excuse.

Nobody said that about Tony Ellis, Brett Ormerod put us in the Premier League, nobody cared then. We beat Preston 4-2, so who cares?

We’ve given up the atmosphere this season which is essential in keeping us up… and who did most fans want instead of Appleton?

Liam fooking Rosenior who got the Tic-Tac at Derby and isn’t exactly flying at Hull is he.

I’m of the opinion that we missed a proper trick in the summer by not trying to kick on from Critchley by going to get someone else’s manager and make an exciting appointment but then I’m also of the opinion that when we did get MA we needed to bring the right players in and not sell our best player on the last day of the transfer deadline. All these fuck-ups are on the board, not the Manager.

Reading the tweets of grown adults talking about their own team just because Appleton is Manager is embarrassing. We should get in that ground on Thursday and raise the roof, that’s what we do isn’t it?? Best fans in the land blah shit blah the Twitter crew told us last season… that must only be when we have a manager they like or one that makes love hearts.

He’s not going to get sacked till they’ve backed him, they won’t want to sack him and they know they’ve hung him out to dry.

So put your hands up your skirts, find your town halls and get back to backing the football team, if the Manager is then shit then we fuck him off,
but when he’s backed with players we back him, not start acting like 13 year old girls.


The longer we don’t back the football team the worse this is going to get.

We may as well appoint Mr Motivator off the old Tv Am. Rev the crowd up if that’s what people want.

Do I think Michael Appleton is the answer? Probably not. But do I think moaning all the time about him having his hands in his pockets, saying Poveda should have been better earlier, not clapping (even though at Wigan they said he clapped sarcastically) is going to help this team stay up? No it definitely isn’t.

We need to grow up. The remit is to just stay up. We need to be on board to do it.
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That should happen but won't, well to a degree.

But actually, like today, fans are backing the side, ok not like last season, but most of the criticism is online.

It has been a poor atmosphere but not sure we can blame people for having a lack of enthusiasm or tthe ife sucked out of them.

They should be able to shrug it off, I did the moment he was appointed, but everyone is different and people find him deeply uninspiring.

It's hard to get the atmosphere anywhere near when many feel like that and also the football on offer, particularly at home, is often terrible.

People don't feel that connection.

But I agree, forget it and back the team, forget about the manager.
 
Biggest issue is we're unlikely to attract top League One players because they may have the chance of promotion with their existing club, and if not, they'd rather move to a secure Championship club. It would be a big risk to leave L1 for BFC, only to find yourself back in L1 again.
If we were mid table, it would be a different story. I know points are close, but we don't look a great destination at the moment.
Having said that I think we showed fight and togetherness today - so we may escape.
 
Seaside of life said:
Blame blame blame , blame for what?? Being 10 points off the play offs with still 60 odd to play fir or because things aren’t quite going our way?? parhetic really🙁
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Blame or accountability for 3 points out of a potential 21 and an uninspiring choice of manager.
I can cope with things not going our way, or when we are making slow but steady progress. But we’re nosediving on the pitch and down the table, and no, funnily enough I’m not massively keen on that.
 
Vince McLean said:
Biggest issue is we're unlikely to attract top League One players because they may have the chance of promotion with their existing club, and if not, they'd rather move to a secure Championship club. It would be a big risk to leave L1 for BFC, only to find yourself back in L1 again.
If we were mid table, it would be a different story. I know points are close, but we don't look a great destination at the moment.
Having said that I think we showed fight and togetherness today - so we may escape.
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Nonsense it's all about money selling club get what we offer and player gets the salary he/agent wants and whilst we're still paying Lge1 wages don't expect a rush through the door.

Brannigan a prime example couldn't be arsed what league he played in just what coin he put in his bank this ain't about wanting to play CL football.
 
Northstandsinger said:
Who knows maybe critch was successful for us last season because we actually got right behind the team especially at home compared to this season.
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Last season was perhaps 1st season back in the Championship bounce and there was a connection between the board, management and fans. That connection is not there this season and tbh hasn’t been since the season started with what happened with Critchley and the non existent summer transfer window. Even when we went on a bit of a mini run in October and fans singing after Appy it all felt a bit hollow and not from the heart, so not sure where we go from here but that connection needs to be fixed. All I’ve read on here post match is mostly negativity after a decent team performance against a Hull side who absolutely battered us here so coming away with a point is not the end of the world in a game we could have actually won. But there is only so much time left to keep polishing the turd and unless something radical changes hopefully with the Jan window, then we are in serious trouble heading towards the business end of the season.
 
Adams Kebab said:
The ex-Nobber stuff is a shit stupid excuse.

Nobody said that about Tony Ellis, Brett Ormerod put us in the Premier League, nobody cared then. We beat Preston 4-2, so who cares?

We’ve given up the atmosphere this season which is essential in keeping us up… and who did most fans want instead of Appleton?

Liam fooking Rosenior who got the Tic-Tac at Derby and isn’t exactly flying at Hull is he.

I’m of the opinion that we missed a proper trick in the summer by not trying to kick on from Critchley by going to get someone else’s manager and make an exciting appointment but then I’m also of the opinion that when we did get MA we needed to bring the right players in and not sell our best player on the last day of the transfer deadline. All these fuck-ups are on the board, not the Manager.

Reading the tweets of grown adults talking about their own team just because Appleton is Manager is embarrassing. We should get in that ground on Thursday and raise the roof, that’s what we do isn’t it?? Best fans in the land blah shit blah the Twitter crew told us last season… that must only be when we have a manager they like or one that makes love hearts.

He’s not going to get sacked till they’ve backed him, they won’t want to sack him and they know they’ve hung him out to dry.

So put your hands up your skirts, find your town halls and get back to backing the football team, if the Manager is then shit then we fuck him off,
but when he’s backed with players we back him, not start acting like 13 year old girls.


The longer we don’t back the football team the worse this is going to get.

We may as well appoint Mr Motivator off the old Tv Am. Rev the crowd up if that’s what people want.

Do I think Michael Appleton is the answer? Probably not. But do I think moaning all the time about him having his hands in his pockets, saying Poveda should have been better earlier, not clapping (even though at Wigan they said he clapped sarcastically) is going to help this team stay up? No it definitely isn’t.

We need to grow up. The remit is to just stay up. We need to be on board to do it.
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Absolute top post
 
TangerineBayern said:
Last season was perhaps 1st season back in the Championship bounce and there was a connection between the board, management and fans. That connection is not there this season and tbh hasn’t been since the season started with what happened with Critchley and the non existent summer transfer window. Even when we went on a bit of a mini run in October and fans singing after Appy it all felt a bit hollow and not from the heart, so not sure where we go from here but that connection needs to be fixed. All I’ve read on here post match is mostly negativity after a decent team performance against a Hull side who absolutely battered us here so coming away with a point is not the end of the world in a game we could have actually won. But there is only so much time left to keep polishing the turd and unless something radical changes hopefully with the Jan window, then we are in serious trouble heading towards the business end of the season.
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I’m still struggling to see why so many are point blank refusing to get behind the team due to a manager, we missed going and supporting our team for to long to stop supporting us at our first wobble in a top league, let’s get behind the team in the second half of the season and do everything we can to keep us up and even then after that if we fail then we know it’s not our fault, I know for a fact in so many games this season we could have been 100 times better and who’s to say we wouldn’t have driven the team on to some better results.
 
Northstandsinger said:
I’m still struggling to see why so many are point blank refusing to get behind the team due to a manager, we missed going and supporting our team for to long to stop supporting us at our first wobble in a top league, let’s get behind the team in the second half of the season and do everything we can to keep us up and even then after that if we fail then we know it’s not our fault, I know for a fact in so many games this season we could have been 100 times better and who’s to say we wouldn’t have driven the team on to some better results.
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It’s because there are too many fans with negative views and opinions that will never change that prevents them getting behind the team, club and management. Personally I’m only interested in what’s happening on the pitch and the team’s performances but we are a very disharmonious bunch at the moment that’s why the Jan transfer window is of great importance to get right and move the team forward.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
TBH I genuinely don’t think this Club will go anywhere until our fans sort themselves out.

Why would any manager want anything to do with us. As soon as the going gets a bit tough, we give up and start blaming anyone and everyone.

Shittest Fans in the league this season by a mile…
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This sums it up tbh. Fans are fickle by their very nature but our fans this this season in general have been off the scale!! Irrational is an understatement 🙄
 
Razzledazzle53 said:
This sums it up tbh. Fans are fickle by their very nature but our fans this this season in general have been off the scale!! Irrational is an understatement 🙄
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The fickle ones are those who stop attending two of my mates went today(I pulled because of illness) didn't want Appleton from the start and wanted rid for a while now.

But they still spent today supporting their club not to boo him or wanting us to lose that ain't fickle.
 
I feel for the players and, more to the point, I worry that it is going to add to the pressure on them. We used to mock other clubs for creating negative atmospheres, slagging their managers and players etc. Now we're turning into one of those clubs and getting self righteous about it.
 
Mark_GT said:
I feel for the players and, more to the point, I worry that it is going to add to the pressure on them. We used to mock other clubs for creating negative atmospheres, slagging their managers and players etc. Now we're turning into one of those clubs and getting self righteous about it.
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Didn’t look that way today mate, they all looked as though they wanted to play for the manager and fans especially when we scored and it all went a bit mental 😀😀
 
The guy again shows a complete lack of leadership by commenting on a divide with the fans.

We played ok today, sending off not his fault. Decent enough performance, the quality he has to work with i.e Carey and Beesley wasn’t there today or we’d have grabbed the second, if it was.

But not applauding in the first place, continuing with it and then making jibes about it to that halfwit Scrafton is just a complete lack of brains and leadership. Look at the narrative he’s allowed to build up around this trivial point.

It’ll be this that brings his downfall not anything on the pitch.
 
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I have no right to a say in truth but it’s all gone very sour since that “homecoming” game v Southend where the whole Town was united in one direction. What a Great Day. It’s a shame but I ain’t blaming anyone I hasten to add

UTMP
 
Razzledazzle53 said:
Not if they are reasonable and get that there are extenuating circumstances. Injuries and red cards have been crippling thus far. Great result today 👍
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Red cards and our lack of discipline or being caught short and players getting exposed so they see red, if that keeps happening ultimately a manager will take some responsibility.

Tbf some have been ridiculous,the Laverys red was baltent assault on him and should have been overturned by the disgraceful FA. Careys was a disgrace too.

But we have seen a lack of discipline still.

When teams are at the bottom through making huge blunders, it may be their players at fault, but a manager gets the blame and ultimately the sack if it keeps happening.
 
Thatseasider said:
The guy again shows a complete lack of leadership by commenting on a divide with the fans.

We played ok today, sending off not his fault. Decent enough performances, the quality he has to work with i.e Carey and Beesley wasn’t there to day or we’d have grabbed the second.

But not applauding in the first place, continuing with it and then making jibes about it to that halfwit Scrafton is just a complete lack of brains and leadership. Look at the narrative he’s allowed to build up around this trivia point.

It’ll be this that brings his downfall not anything on the pitch.
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Only just seen his comments myself, honest again, yeah....

Probably not helpful to highlight the divide and put it out there. Scrafton probably wants him gone having had him at Lincoln and now for Blackpool.... he's had him twice...

Tbh you usually always see managers, when it's not been going well, clap fans, even if they get grief, they are usually big enough to accept it.

He's had 1 bit at Wigan at the end and a chant at half time at Cardiff, hardly been a barrage in reality. Forget anything online.

If fans need to get a grip maybe he does too.

If he can't manage his way round a few negative chants...
 
JJpool said:
If he can't manage his way round a few negative chants...
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That’s it for me. He answers it by steadily improving the results.

I’ve not been overly impressed with him, but wanted to give him a chance - he’s been dealt a shitty hand during his time with us.

But if he can’t deal with a moderate amount of criticism from the stands. Jesus, that doesn’t bode well.
 
JJpool said:
Red cards and our lack of discipline or being caught short and players getting exposed so they see red, if that keeps happening ultimately a manager will take some responsibility.

Tbf some have been ridiculous,the Laverys red was baltent assault on him and should have been overturned by the disgraceful FA. Careys was a disgrace too.

But we have seen a lack of discipline still.

When teams are at the bottom through making huge blunders, it may be their players at fault, but a manager gets the blame and ultimately the sack if it keeps happening.
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Red cards was 1 part of the extenuating circumstances. Taking today's in isolation they would probably have scored so as a pro I guess you'll do whatever you can to stop the opposition from scoring. Imagine if he'd let him go without a challenge and the pelters he'd got for that?

My point is that was a split second decision from the player and can't in all seriousness be Appletons fault!
 
Thatseasider said:
That’s it for me. He answers it by steadily improving the results.

I’ve not been overly impressed with him, but wanted to give him a chance - he’s been dealt a shitty hand during his time with us.

But if he can’t deal with a moderate amount of criticism from the stands. Jesus, that doesn’t bode well.
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I though he spoke well and still speaks well when you listen to him.

I'm sure anything he says will be taken any way when people want to make a point against him.

But he seem to provide a bit too much easy ammunition and walks into easy clickbait headlines, whilst not the worst thing, doesn't really help.

For me, just clap them, even if a couple from a distance and avoid the whole thing.
 
AngelBFC said:
There’s only little connection with the fans because it’s the fans who are disconnecting with him

He hasn’t done anything wrong as far as I can see.

When he came to the club he made a lot of effort to connect went to the Armfield etc

The attitude towards him from the start has been utterly bizarre I’ll never understand it.

I hope he sticks it out does well for us and leaves the haters with egg on their face

What is for certain is that we are in a difficult position and at home and away this team needs to be backed by us or we will be in league 1

If we can get behind them like we did last season we will be in the championship next season if not we will go down . It’s up to us
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We can help for sure but we don't earn the points , the players and his tactics do.
We have 3 points out of the last 21. That's not just unlucky, but it's poor, and he's the manager and the buck stops with him not a fan In the stand.
 
Northstandsinger said:
Coventry
Sheff United
Preston
Burnley
Watford
Just of the top of my head were all good performances.
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Yes, after the Coventry game, Appleton was the Messiah, Jerry was worth £20m and we were going up.

OK, I am possibly over egging things a bit there but I think it's fair to say that if anybody had said Appleton out after the Coventry game they would have been slaughtered on here.

The Coventry game was about 2 months ago now but Appleton was getting pelters within a month of that game, had we really gone from how good we were to how bad we were in less than a month or are we just a fickle bunch ?

As I say after every game, I haven't seen enough of us to make a call about Appleton but I do worry what happens if we fetch a new chap in and he doesn't get the results in the first few games ?
 
Northstandsinger said:
Who knows maybe critch was successful for us last season because we actually got right behind the team especially at home compared to this season.
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Very good point.

I have no doubt that if we had had been a bit luckier and we were even say just 6 points better off, supporters would be getting behind the team more - you only have to look at the Preston game.

Saying that, I think this is where we should perhaps be giving more credit to Critch for the part he played in producing a great togetherness last season, I'm thinking of the bond between the players and the supporters but I'd be surprised if the bond between the players and the supporters didn't help a togetherness between the players.

I have no doubt that this is one area that Critchley was clearly better than Appleton in but on here, Critchley is actually criticised for his fist pumping
etc, etc which actually helped ensure that the fans really got behind the team, especially at home as you suggested.
 
ItsGrimUpNorth said:
Fan base that act like spoilt children.

Evidently don’t like him, were never willing to give him a chance, boo’d him at Wigan, chanted sacked in the morning after 30 minutes at Cardiff then spit dummy’s out when he doesn’t come over.

Bunch of self entitled whoppers.
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Very true but I think that's just football supporters for you regardless of the club.

We were supposedly the best fans in the league last season and now we are the sh1ttest fans in the league ?

I'm not having that, we were never the best and aren't the worst now, it's just a very fickle game.
 
Steb said:
Who could we get if he did get sacked ?

Who can we afford better than him ?

Who has the personality to connect with the fans ?
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Good points but just on the last question, surely Appleton should be doing more to try and get the supporters onside.

He might be dealing with some school children but he is not operating in a school playground and surely he must recognise that everybody would benefit from a bit of togetherness.

It goes without saying that improved results would improve togetherness but it's not just results and as already touched on, I think it's fair to say that Critch was far better than him in this area.
 
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