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SuperTonyEllis

SuperTonyEllis

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Karen Brady the CEO or whatever her position at the club is, want this season to be null and void. Talk about using a crisis to save your own skins. Not sure that is at all fair and I was banking on seeing them drop. I imagine not lob will be hoping the same with regards to the season being scrapped, as will all clubs at the bottom of their respected leagues. What about clubs on the verge of success? Mainly Coventry, who have big problems off the pitch. Surely a promotion will help the club financially? Also what about Barrow who are verging on league football for first time in half a century? Very weird situation this. Imo they need to try and get the season finished, but how I don't know.
 
Agree, but not sure what the answer is🧐 what about the clubs on the verge of promotion to the premier league and the money they would miss out on. If they freeze the leagues again clubs could argue they would have got themselves out of the relegation zone or got into the promotion positions. Only thing for sure is there is no easy option and some people are going to be really hacked off with any decisions that are made.
 
The only good thing is PNE lose out on a potential promotion. That said it is still unfair on them. The meltdowns in Liverpool and Leeds will be huge. I can also see Not Lob having a staying up parade
 
I think we need to get to 4 April and then re-assess. Not sure, there's anything else we can do at the moment.

A three week suspension is manageable. Anything too much longer and it becomes more problematic.
 
The season will be played out behind closed doors I’d guess, It’s the dildo brother types that don’t want to catch the virus, at there age ...
 
It is pretty obvious the situation wont be over by 4th April, the only option will be to play games behind closed doors. Maybe scrap the cup and have the play offs over two legs and forget wembley.
 
Scaramanga said:
Agreed, but unfortunately I only see it being scrapped, seems the only fair way. Horrible.
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What on earth would be "fair" about it? Fair to whom? Certainly not any club which is :

a) fighting for automatic promotion, but outside the qualifying place(s)
b) fighting relegation, but currently in a qualifying place
c) competing to get in to the play-offs (half the Division, in one or two cases)

There are potentially hundreds of millions of pounds at stake here, for multiple clubs.

There is no unbreakable rule that says the domestic season has to end in May. Most of Europe will be unable to achieve that this year, so some international agreement on the resumption, and how it works, ought be possible.

You also have to bear in mind that in 2022/23 the domestic season is going to have to operate on a completely different basis anyway. So why not manage the manner in which the game resumes with that in mind? I see no reason why you shouldn't (for example) :

d) run this season on for as long as it takes, even if that means that it ends (say) in the autumn
e) run the next couple of seasons within the calendar years 2021 and 2022, culminating in the WC in Qatar
f) use the first five or six months of 2023 to play off the majority of the qualifying campaign for Euro 24, the group and early knockout rounds of the 23/24 EFL Trophy, some of the early rounds of the 23/24 FA Cup & League Cup and maybe half a dozen fixtures for the 23/24 league campaign. In other words, keep players active, make some progress in the running of competitions AND generate revenue for clubs over a period that might otherwise be lying fallow.

What is needed here is some imagination, and the will to do something that protects the clubs. In any case, for every Karen Brady who is anxious to save her own club's skin, there are plenty more who really want to see this through, and might resort to litigation if they need to. They will argue that a delay of 2, 3 or even 6 months would be possible to manage, if difficult, and might even cite the Moroccan precedent with the African Cup of Nations as a precedent under the force majeure provisions that apply to the EFL and others.

None of this even addresses what happens if any club or clubs goes to the wall in the intervening period and cannot fulfil their fixtures when the time comes to resume. The issues arising from that are much more serious than managing the consequences of a delay.
 
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basilrobbie said:
What on earth would be "fair" about it? Fair to whom? Certainly not any club which is :

a) fighting for automatic promotion, but outside the qualifying place(s)
b) fighting relegation, but currently in a qualifying place
c) competing to get in to the play-offs (half the Division, in one or two cases)

There are potentially hundreds of millions of pounds at stake here, for multiple clubs.

There is no unbreakable rule that says the domestic season has to end in May. Most of Europe will be unable to achieve that this year, so some international agreement on the resumption, and how it works, ought be possible.

You also have to bear in mind that in 2022/23 the domestic season is going to have to operate on a completely different basis anyway. So why not manage the manner in which the game resumes with that in mind? I see no reason why you shouldn't (for example) :

d) run this season on for as long as it takes, even if that means that it ends (say) in the autumn
e) run the next couple of seasons within the calendar years 2021 and 2022, culminating in the WC in Qatar
f) use the first five or six months of 2023 to play off the majority of the qualifying campaign for Euro 24, the group and early knockout rounds of the 23/24 EFL Trophy, some of the early rounds of the 23/24 FA Cup & League Cup and maybe half a dozen fixtures for the 23/24 league campaign. In other words, keep players active, make some progress in the running of competitions AND generate revenue for clubs over a period that might otherwise be lying fallow.

What is needed here is some imagination, and the will to do something that protects the clubs. In any case, for every Karen Brady who is anxious to save her own club's skin, there are plenty more who really want to see this through, and might resort to litigation if they need to. They will argue that a delay of 2, 3 or even 6 months would be possible to manage, if difficult, and might even cite the Moroccan precedent with the African Cup of Nations as a precedent under the force majeure provisions that apply to the EFL and others.

None of this even addresses what happens if any club or clubs goes to the wall in the intervening period and cannot fulfil their fixtures when the time comes to resume. The issues arising from that are much more serious than managing the consequences of a delay.
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What is needed is some imagination, I wouldn’t hold your breath with the FA and EFL involved.
 
No, the only fair way is to continue the season when we can. If the next season is delayed, so be it. Plenty of days in the week to catch up and if necessary extend season 20/21 into June. Minor cup matches may not be necessary to allow for this.
 
Brady's comments remind me of Gartside at Bolton when he wanted relegation abolished.

I think this virus will be around for much longer than three weeks. My guess is that we'll only be getting back to some kind of normality by August/September. I think logically the best way forward for the EFL is to complete the season behind closed doors, relax the rules around streaming at 3pm Saturdays, allow all season ticket holders access to ifollow and sell tickets to everyone else for a tenner.
 
BFC_53 said:
Brady's comments remind me of Gartside at Bolton when he wanted relegation abolished.

I think this virus will be around for much longer than three weeks. My guess is that we'll only be getting back to some kind of normality by August/September. I think logically the best way forward for the EFL is to complete the season behind closed doors, relax the rules around streaming at 3pm Saturdays, allow all season ticket holders access to ifollow and sell tickets to everyone else for a tenner.
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Garside comments were more than likely because he knew that if Bolton lost Prem status shit would hit the fan, just like it has.
 
I know one thing for sure, they will never just scrap the season and start again. Once football returns, whenever that will be , they will finish it off.
 
SuperTonyEllis said:
Surely has to be the only fair way of doing it?
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If they don't finish it off then the clubs that miss out will look at legal action and like you say it's the only fair way. Football will have to adapt to everything being upside down and playing at different times / months for a while but it will get back to normal eventually.
I think playing behind closed doors for a while would be interesting and show how much football needs supporters.
 
With WHU in the bottom three she'd look daft if she wanted the season to end now and the table to count meaning WHU were relegated.
 
What happens to players out of contract at the end of the season, specific date, loan players etc, for example, if the season restarted in june, could Hardie be recalled for the remaining games. Surely contracts are date specific not season specific.
 
TheHairyClam said:
Isn't there a cut off date?

Why was the Blackpool vs Huddersfield game never replayed?
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Was it because any result wouldn't affect promotion and relegation and it was the last day of the season?
I don't particularly bother about any of the top teams but I would hate the season cancelled, Liverpool awarded the title and then 20 odd years of Facebook Man Utd fans telling us they never won it anyway. That's not fair. The whole thing in every league needs to be finished even though it doesn't really affect us.
 
It will be finished behind closed doors if it has to. There’s no way something with so much revenue associated to ‘winners’ and ‘losers’ would be left unchallenged if they just stopped it now.

But this will actually be a good thing for those fans who recognise that we’re all being dry bummed by the clubs, the associations and the leagues. The games will be on TV. And the emperors clothes will be on display for all to see...

The money men will realise that supporters IN THE GROUND are part of the product that is sold around the world. And maybe - just maybe - it will provide an opportunity for supporters to be treated a little better going forward.
 
straightatthewall said:
It will be finished behind closed doors if it has to. There’s no way something with so much revenue associated to ‘winners’ and ‘losers’ would be left unchallenged if they just stopped it now.

But this will actually be a good thing for those fans who recognise that we’re all being dry bummed by the clubs, the associations and the leagues. The games will be on TV. And the emperors clothes will be on display for all to see...

The money men will realise that supporters IN THE GROUND are part of the product that is sold around the world. And maybe - just maybe - it will provide an opportunity for supporters to be treated a little better going forward.
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Love that last paragraph and agree
 
Well said satw and brr. In some respects this could be a good thing and certainly make the authorities think more about the fans.

Keren Brady-and West Ham-in the meantime are decidedly verminous.
 
Players and their families, as well as fans, will be getting infected, being quarantined and even dying so how can the games be played before the whole pandemic quietens down?
 
I cant see this being over soon it's going to roll on for months. The peak is due in summer.

The season probably wont restart and by the time things have cleared up may as well continue this season and finish off after next feb.

Itll probably be that long... at a complete guess....
 
Look at the lowest number of games played in each division and set each team's points total relative to that number of games.
Not too many drastic changes. Abandon playoffs, so top 3 go up, 4 from league 2.
 
The problem with that Loco, is that you are not comparing like with like. If, for argument's sake, you set the bar at 28 games in the EPL, and you go down because you have played City, Liverpool and Leicester twice, but someone who has played them only once stays up, how would that be fair?
 
We and other teams could be playing our final games half a dozen players short who's contracts have expired in June, or with 10 new signings. How is that fair?
 
Wizaard said:
We and other teams could be playing our final games half a dozen players short who's contracts have expired in June, or with 10 new signings. How is that fair?
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They could extend contracts with the agreement of the PFA and start next season later. No early Cup games next season too would give enough wiggle room.
 
basilrobbie said:
The problem with that Loco, is that you are not comparing like with like. If, for argument's sake, you set the bar at 28 games in the EPL, and you go down because you have played City, Liverpool and Leicester twice, but someone who has played them only once stays up, how would that be fair?
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Nothing will be fair unless the games can be completed. It is a suggestion of how to deal with the situation if it cannot be completed. As it stands, Watford would have to forfeit their victory over Liverpool, so it isn't ideal. But then, what is?
 
SuperTonyEllis said:
Karen Brady the CEO or whatever her position at the club is, want this season to be null and void. Talk about using a crisis to save your own skins.
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Dangerous stance because they’re talking about resolving relegation with a Play Off which West Ham would be in.

West Ham aside, I agree with her it should be a scrapped season ..
 
I would continue the season as soon as it is safe to do so, if it doesn't restart until later in the year then so be it. Even if it has to be finished at the start of next season, complete the games, have a 2 week rest whilst fixtures are produced and scrap all the domestic cup games next year. This way there will be over 10 slots where the league games can be caught up so that the season doesn't overrun and we then can have the Euros.

Also with Champions league etc they could scrap the preliminary rounds and finish this season's competition off next season (if not before) and just double the number of groups and put one extra knockout round so that 32 teams progress instead of 16.

Not much interest in our domestic cup games anymore so I don't think there would be too many complaints if it was these fixtures that we missed out on.
 
I really believe I hate them more than PNE now. I have a good mate at work supports PNE and despite the banter I respect him because he follows his local team and is not a plastic fan. But I have to say based on personal experience 95% of West Ham fans are c***s
 
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