Innoculation news

PoolBorn said:
The statement is 2.4 million vaccines administered - second doses are a tiny portion. So no misdirection -
but there are always those ready to rubbish good news.
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I merely pointed out this governments track record is hardly inspiring, but that means the spotlight is on how they perform with the vaccinations & that in itself could work to everyone's advantage . It's fantastic news & I sincerely hope they get it right.
 
Hertsseasider said:
Great news thread despite @20togo trying to
cause confrontation. Shame. Well done Boris et al.
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And still they hide. It really just proves the political hatefest agenda from so many of you. Herts clearly proves it with his post. It's his first thought that it's all about the politics. This good news is not about Boris or the Tories. It's about the fact that over 2 million people have received the vaccine. Over 2 million people are now much safer than they were before they had the jab. And hopefully as each day and week goes by then those numbers will significantly rise.
It really does make me wonder about your priorities? Would you rather be rid of the disease or the Tories/Boris?. Does the lack of response from some of you on this msb give me the answer?
 
20togo said:
Does the truth hurt? Gutless.
Why wouldn't the regular posters not want to join in this very positive news?
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Plenty of people did join in to welcome it. My Dad found out this morning that he gets his first jab on Friday, so I'm delighted.

I'm not sure why you had to manufacture an argument where there wasn't one, but it seems to be your modus operandi these days..
 
20togo said:
It really does make me wonder about your priorities? Would you rather be rid of the disease or the Tories/Boris?. Does the lack of response from some of you on this msb give me the answer?
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I'm genuinely surprised you ask this question at all of anyone on this board but then you always look for confrontation don't you. As for my political view, you have no idea but I'll give you a clue - I've never voted Labour in nearly 50 years of having the opportunity to. do so. Because I and many others can find criticism in Boris and his actions does not necessarily mean we want rid of them.
Oh and btw, not everyone is glued to this place all day long though it does cheer me up in the current climate
 
How will the vaccine rollout work, given that some areas will get through their quota faster than others?
Will some vaccine centres stand idle until everywhere has vaccinated one particular category, or will they jump on the next batch of people?
 
basilrobbie said:
Plenty of people did join in to welcome it. My Dad found out this morning that he gets his first jab on Friday, so I'm delighted.

I'm not sure why you had to manufacture an argument where there wasn't one, but it seems to be your modus operandi these days..
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Utter tosh. "Plenty of people did join in"? The most vociferous of critics are nowhere near this thread like they would be or will be if it were bad news. As I said in my follow post to the one you quote, this isn't about the politics. This thread is about the health, safety and welfare of the people of this country but those whose sole focus is the political side seem to overlook that. You can call it "manufacturing an argument" if you want. Herts can call it "confrontation" if he wants but the evidence is there that so many people have chosen to ignore the thread so why shouldn't they be called out? Seem to have seen you and a few others confronting Scaramanga and calling him out for simply having a different pov to you.
 
Hertsseasider said:
I'm genuinely surprised you ask this question at all of anyone on this board but then you always look for confrontation don't you. As for my political view, you have no idea but I'll give you a clue - I've never voted Labour in nearly 50 years of having the opportunity to. do so. Because I and many others can find criticism in Boris and his actions does not necessarily mean we want rid of them.
Oh and btw, not everyone is glued to this place all day long though it does cheer me up in the current climate
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Again, you're making it about the politics. And it's because of some peoples hatefest with the politics that they forget what this thread was about. The fact that over 2 million people have received their vaccines. They are so focused on the negative that they don't see the positive. And that's why my question was a perfectly valid one to ask.
 
20togo said:
And that's why my question was a perfectly valid one to ask.
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I'm sure it was, in the parallel universe you live in. Except it was less a question, and more a harangue of (unnamed) posters for NOT writing something. Did it ever occur to you that they didn't see it? Or perhaps - stay with me, this is radical - they read the thread and didn't see any particular need to comment?

The fact remains that this thread was meandering along happily until you decided to cause a row. As so many do.
 
20togo said:
Again, you're making it about the politics. And it's because of some peoples hatefest with the politics that they forget what this thread was about. The fact that over 2 million people have received their vaccines. They are so focused on the negative that they don't see the positive. And that's why my question was a perfectly valid one to ask.
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Wrong. Again. Your post of 10.06 bought politics into it. As you usually do. You also bring hate into it. Tut
 
basilrobbie said:
I'm sure it was, in the parallel universe you live in. Except it was less a question, and more a harangue of (unnamed) posters for NOT writing something. Did it ever occur to you that they didn't see it? Or perhaps - stay with me, this is radical - they read the thread and didn't see any particular need to comment?

The fact remains that this thread was meandering along happily until you decided to cause a row. As so many do.
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Make all the excuses you want. I'm pretty sure most read it. How do I know that? Well it's had over 1k views that's why! And no need to comment because it was good news and that doesn't suit their agenda. And I'm more than happy to name YOU and others as some-one who has "harangued" Scaramanga.
 
As I posted further up the the thread this good news has bugger all to do with Boris but all the hard work and months in planning civil servents have put in to organize this mass vaccination program.

But that cuts both way equally Bojo can't be at fault for everything that has gone wrong in the pandemic even if he has got a lot wrong.
 
poolseasider said:
As I posted further up the the thread this good news has bugger all to do with Boris but all the hard work and months in planning civil servents have put in to organize this mass vaccination program.

But that cuts both way equally Bojo can't be at fault for everything that has gone wrong in the pandemic even if he has got a lot wrong.
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Exactly. But because people are so focused on Boris they lose focus on the positive news that is happening with regards to the vaccination programme and the 2 million people who've had their jabs.
 
20togo said:
Make all the excuses you want. I'm pretty sure most read it. How do I know that? Well it's had over 1k views that's why! And no need to comment because it was good news and that doesn't suit their agenda. And I'm more than happy to name YOU and others as some-one who has "harangued" Scaramanga.
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The number of views doesn't signify much if 50 people view it 20 times. Nor does it take account of the fact that 500 of those views might be from guests or from people who aren't signed in. More to the point, are you seriously using a silly little count like that as a stick to beat people with? How do you know that some of the people you are talking about didn't read it when they weren't logged in? The answer is, you don't. How do you know the identity of anyone who is among that 1,000? Again, you don't.

As for "haranguing" Scaramanga :

1. I think offering counter-argument to debunk some of the stuff he posts is legitimate comment, actually

2. Given the poisonous views he regularly espouses, if I AM guilty of haranguing him I will bear it as a badge of honour

In all seriousness, I think you should consider taking a break from this place. I don't think it is doing you any good, and to be perfectly honest I think you are just getting more unpleasant, and more absurd by the day. I want you to go back to the poster you were a couple of years ago.
 
Over 1,000 views and 72 comments, most of which is about 4 people debating whether its political point scoring. Seems an awful lot of people on both sides of the political spectrum haven't commented. I'm appalled. My batting average is severely depleted.
 
Wizaard said:
Over 1,000 views and 72 comments, most of which is about 4 people debating whether its political point scoring. Seems an awful lot of people on both sides of the political spectrum haven't commented. I'm appalled. My batting average is severely depleted.
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I would make a further reply but I haven't made enough comments on the football board to meet my quota before it is acceptable to Herr Zwanzig for me to post on the politics board again.
 
basilrobbie said:
The number of views doesn't signify much if 50 people view it 20 times. Nor does it take account of the fact that 500 of those views might be from guests or from people who aren't signed in. More to the point, are you seriously using a silly little count like that as a stick to beat people with? How do you know that some of the people you are talking about didn't read it when they weren't logged in? The answer is, you don't. How do you know the identity of anyone who is among that 1,000? Again, you don't.

As for "haranguing" Scaramanga :

1. I think offering counter-argument to debunk some of the stuff he posts is legitimate comment, actually

2. Given the poisonous views he regularly espouses, if I AM guilty of haranguing him I will bear it as a badge of honour

In all seriousness, I think you should consider taking a break from this place. I don't think it is doing you any good, and to be perfectly honest I think you are just getting more unpleasant, and more absurd by the day. I want you to go back to the poster you were a couple of years ago.
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I think after a good few years on AVFTT it's perfectly reasonable to get to know posters posting habits. Viewing the forum list as many people do shows you who is logged in and what threads they are reading. So not buying into your lame excuses because that's what they are.

And I love the irony in your comment about it being a badge of honour for haranguing Scara yet in your previous post you accuse me of doing the same. You find it fair minded that you can accuse Scara of offering poisonous views yet you want to reprimand me for doing the same with posters like Cat. Talk about double standards and hypocrisy - you really are a master of both.

As for your final para, I'll return the thoughts directly back at you. I remember a poster called Robbie who used to post regularly about football and BFC.. Alas no more. All I see now is patronising supercilious arrogant poster who loves his cliques.. So yep Robbie take a break from the board, A football msb for Blackpool fans is really no longer what you are about.
 
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20togo said:
I think after a good few years on AVFTT it's perfectly reasonable to get to know posters posting habits. Viewing the forum list as many people do shows you who is logged in. So not buying into your lame excuses because that's what they are.

And I love the irony in your comment about it being a badge of honour for haranguing Scara yet in your previous post you accuse me of doing the same. You find it fair minded that you can accuse Scara of offering poisonous views yet you want to reprimand me for doing the same with posters like Cat. Talk about double standards and hypocrisy - you really are a master of both.

As for your final para, I'll return the thoughts directly back at you. I remember a poster called Robbie who used to post regularly about football and BFC.. Alas no more. All I see now is patronising supercilious arrogant poster who loves his cliques.. So yep Robbie take a break from the board, A football msb for Blackpool fans is really no longer what you are about.
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I'm going to ignore your first paragraph there because if you are just going to assert that you know best it is better to just let you get on with it.

In your second paragraph, I think you make a fair point. I should probably avoid getting involved with the likes of Scara, really. I don't think it is the same as your obsessive pursuit of Cat pretty much every time he posts, though. And part of my concern about your posting style these days is that picking arguments seems to be pretty much ALL you do now. I'd like to think I've got a bit more variety in content than that.

As for your last paragraph, well, you see whatever you want, it's your business. Equally, what I choose to post about is mine. When it comes to taking a break - I do, frequently, and I can recommend it.
 
basilrobbie said:
I'm going to ignore your first paragraph there because if you are just going to assert that you know best it is better to just let you get on with it.

In your second paragraph, I think you make a fair point. I should probably avoid getting involved with the likes of Scara, really. I don't think it is the same as your obsessive pursuit of Cat pretty much every time he posts, though. And part of my concern about your posting style these days is that picking arguments seems to be pretty much ALL you do now. I'd like to think I've got a bit more variety in content than that.

As for your last paragraph, well, you see whatever you want, it's your business. Equally, what I choose to post about is mine. When it comes to taking a break - I do, frequently, and I can recommend it.
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It's not that I know best, it's I know what I see.

As for your second para, I'd suggest you visit the football side of the board and the many posts I make on our football team and various other topics. Again a bit rich, from you! Herts made a similar accusation a few days back. I suggest you look up my reply to him to realise what you say about variety is a load of nonsense. In fact, I'd suggest that the variety of my content far outstrips the majority on here. Again all easy to find if you want to do any comparisons. I'm most certainly not the single agenda poster that some on here are. Just remember you brought the subject up. It's all there for you to see in my posting history.
As for your last para, well isn't part of that a bit in conflict with your second one? You say what you choose to comment about is your business [as it is] yet you've no problem in criticising the content of mine.
Funny old world isn't it.
 
The figure on the face of it and in reality is encouraging. The proof of how well we are set up is still to come.

If supply falls short, then there will be questions as to why. Rightly.

If supply outnumbers capacity to jab, then again you ask why- and that would be 100% criminal to have that situation.

So good start, but some way to go yet.

As an edit and aside I'm not 100% convinced that giving the vaccine to care home an nursing homes is right. Would it not be better to make those places Covid secure- everyone in and out is 30 min tested. Not like the residents are off to The Bull N Bush in the evening. Those vaccines could AND should have been given to Blackpool fans as a priority, starting with the working U65's.
 
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Yes great news that we are slightly head of the rest of Europe on the roll-out. The red to green scale used makes us look brilliant. However, I note in the bottom right hand corner Israel is on the map. They have vaccinated 12 out of a 100. So if the chart was redrawn, we would be a dark shade of amber and not look that brilliant.

As I say, great news that we are generally ahead of the curve, but this map is a little misleading. Im not suggesting someone would do that 😁
 
Seasider53 said:
Yes great news that we are slightly head of the rest of Europe on the roll-out. The red to green scale used makes us look brilliant. However, I note in the bottom right hand corner Israel is on the map. They have vaccinated 12 out of a 100. So if the chart was redrawn, we would be a dark shade of amber and not look that brilliant.

As I say, great news that we are generally ahead of the curve, but this map is a little misleading. Im not suggesting someone would do that 😁
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Population of Israel under 9 million reporting a day ago they had vaccinated 20% and we'd done 2 million I'd say with 67 million in Britain we're slightly ahead but a long way to go.
 
basilrobbie said:
I'm sure it was, in the parallel universe you live in. Except it was less a question, and more a harangue of (unnamed) posters for NOT writing something. Did it ever occur to you that they didn't see it? Or perhaps - stay with me, this is radical - they read the thread and didn't see any particular need to comment?

The fact remains that this thread was meandering along happily until you decided to cause a row. As so many do.
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I'll make one other comment on this post of yours. Imagine that parallel universe is the other side of the board. There's a particular poster over there who rightly or wrongly is relentlessly negative towards Critchley and the team. He's frequently taken to task by many posters that he seems to go missing when performances and results are good but is all over the threads when results and performances are bad. Do you consider in his case there's no particular need to comment and he's justified in doing that. Or do you consider that posters are right to point out his endless negativity?
Is it perhaps a case in your mind that the 'rules' should be applied differently for each side of the board. It seems so.
 
🙄 you might not have lost any sleep, chewing your blanket and worrying about Robbie’s post but to post again 16 hours after your previous post, is just a little disturbing

Never mind tho, I see that Dr Scara is there to give you moral support. Keep up the good work
 
Recidivist3 said:
🙄 you might not have lost any sleep, chewing your blanket and worrying about Robbie’s post but to post again 16 hours after your previous post, is just a little disturbing

Never mind tho, I see that Dr Scara is there to give you moral support. Keep up the good work
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He's not called Last Word for nothing

Back on subject. I think the positivity around the inoculation numbers is much needed and welcome. Still lots of hurdles (transmission being one) but all good stuff.
 
How big a difference is there in the speed of vaccination?

In short, a lot. Denmark, the fastest country off the mark in the European Union - where rollouts began on December 27th, had given the first vaccine dose to 2% of its population (115,932 people) by January 10th.

Based solely on population share that's ten times the percentage that France - where the government has been heavily criticised for its slow rollout - has managed to achieve. Denmark's SSI infectious diseases agency updates its vaccination statistics daily at 2pm.

Italy is also pushing ahead rapidly, with 1.2% of the population (654,362 people) having already received the first dose. The country's latest vaccination data, both regional and national, is being continuously updated.

Spain, Sweden and Germany have been slow but steady, with 0.87% (406,091), 0.78% (80,000) and 0.73% (688,782) of the population receiving a jab by January 10th/11th respectively.

Norway, Austria, and France, are the laggards of the countries covered by The Local, vaccinating 0.38% (20,833), 0.33% (38,545) and 0.21% (138,351) of their populations respectively by January 10th/11th.

Switzerland has not yet provided national data on the number of people vaccinated although by the end of next week, it will have had 560,750 vaccination doses delivered, with which 4% of the population can be vaccinated.

All of the above still lie far behind the UK, however, which had managed to give the first dose to nearly 4% of the population - over 2.3 million people - by January 11th. The UK started vaccinating people on December 8th 19 days before EU countries.

Experts say 70 percent of a country's population must be inoculated against Covid-19 in order to end a pandemic that has wreaked social and economic havoc.

As of yet, there's no data on how many, if any of each country's population has received the second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine required to get full immunity. Pfizer-BioNTech recommend giving the second dose between 21 and 28 days after the first dose.
 
Mother in Law is in a Residential Home in Belgium. She's been told her first jab will be in April. They are targeting front line health workers first.
 
TangerineBayern said:
I don’t get this fixation of how well we are doing compared to other countries and in particular those in Europe, I'm only interested in what’s happening here and now in the UK and the sooner we vaccinate as many as possible and hit herd immunity the better.
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I suppose it applies both ways because for the last eight or nine months there has been fixation from some about how bad we are doing compared to other countries and in particular those in Europe. But as you say the sooner we get everyone in this country vaccinated the better and we can get some semblance of normality back.
 
20togo said:
I suppose it applies both ways because for the last eight or nine months there has been fixation from some about how bad we are doing compared to other countries and in particular those in Europe. But as you say the sooner we get everyone in this country vaccinated the better and we can get some semblance of normality back.
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I'd say as soon as you get the over 65's vaccinated we should start to try and get things back to normal.
 
poolseasider said:
Population of Israel under 9 million reporting a day ago they had vaccinated 20% and we'd done 2 million I'd say with 67 million in Britain we're slightly ahead but a long way to go.
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The chart was showing Green for the UK because of the % of population vaccinated not total numbers. Assuming Israel have similar resources per capita they are more than 5 times ahead of us relatively. The chart was suggesting aren't the UK great, as we are ahead of the rest of Europe, but we have vaccinated 4% of the population. Its like announcing the winner of the marathon after 2 miles.
 
Seasider53 said:
The chart was showing Green for the UK because of the % of population vaccinated not total numbers. Assuming Israel have similar resources per capita they are more than 5 times ahead of us relatively. The chart was suggesting aren't the UK great, as we are ahead of the rest of Europe, but we have vaccinated 4% of the population. Its like announcing the winner of the marathon after 2 miles.
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and the map would look the same if we were still in the EU.
 
It's there a chance that people may have immunity from catching it?

I'm not sure I've read a definitive answer.

But if 1.5m have tested positive and have immunity, and wet keep inoculating at the same speed, we could get to 70% a little sooner than we expect.
 
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