Israel Gaza War: History of the Conflict Explained

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From the BBC News website

What was Israel before 1948, and what was the Balfour Declaration?

Britain took control of the area known as Palestine after the ruler of that part of the Middle East, the Ottoman Empire, was defeated in World War One.

The land was inhabited by a Jewish minority and Arab majority, as well as other, smaller ethnic groups.


Tensions between the two peoples grew when the international community gave the UK the task of establishing a "national home" in Palestine for Jewish people.

This stemmed from the Balfour Declaration of 1917, a pledge made by then Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Britain's Jewish community.


The declaration was enshrined in the British mandate over Palestine and endorsed by the newly-created League of Nations - forerunner of the United Nations - in 1922.

To Jews Palestine was their ancestral home, but Palestinian Arabs also claimed the land and opposed the move.


Between the 1920s and 1940s, the number of Jews arriving there grew, with many fleeing from persecution in Europe, especially the Nazi Holocaust in World War Two.

Violence between Jews and Arabs, and against British rule, also increased.


In 1947, the UN voted for Palestine to be split into separate Jewish and Arab states, with Jerusalem becoming an international city.

That plan was accepted by Jewish leaders but rejected by the Arab side and never implemented.


How and why was Israel created?

In 1948, unable to solve the problem, Britain withdrew and Jewish leaders declared the creation of the State of Israel.

It was intended to serve as a safe haven for Jews fleeing persecution, as well as a national homeland for Jews.

Fighting between Jewish and Arab militias had been intensifying for months, and the day after Israel declared statehood, five Arab countries attacked.


Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians fled or were forced out of their homes in what they call Al Nakba, or the "Catastrophe"

By the time the fighting ended in a ceasefire the following year, Israel controlled most of the territory.



Jordan occupied land which became known as the West Bank, and Egypt occupied Gaza.

Jerusalem was divided between Israeli forces in the West, and Jordanian forces in the East.

Because there was never a peace agreement there were more wars and fighting in the following decades.

In a war in 1967, Israel occupied East Jerusalem and the West Bank, as well as most of the Syrian Golan Heights, Gaza and the Egyptian Sinai peninsula.

Most Palestinian refugees and their descendants live in Gaza and the West Bank, as well as in neighbouring Jordan, Syria and Lebanon.

Neither they nor their descendants have been allowed by Israel to return to their homes - Israel says this would overwhelm the country and threaten its existence as a Jewish state.


Israeli military commanders arrive in East Jerusalem during the Six Day War in 1967

Israel still occupies the West Bank and claims the whole of Jerusalem as its capital, while the Palestinians claim East Jerusalem as the capital of a hoped-for future Palestinian state. The US is one of only a handful of countries to recognise the city as Israel's capital.



In the past 50 years Israel has built settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, where more than 700,000 Jews now live.

Settlements are held to be illegal under international law - that is the position of the UN Security Council and the UK government, among others - although Israel rejects this.

What is the Gaza Strip?

Gaza is a narrow strip of land sandwiched between Israel and the Mediterranean Sea, but with a short southern border with Egypt.

Just 41km (25 miles) long and 10km wide, it has more than two million inhabitants and is one of the most densely populated places on Earth.

In the wake of the 1948-49 war, Gaza was occupied by Egypt for 19 years.


Palestinians

  • 14.3 millionTotal population

  • West Bank3 million
  • Gaza Strip2 million
  • Jordan2 million
  • Israel2 million
  • Syria0.5 million
Source: Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics


Israel occupied Gaza in the 1967 war and stayed until 2005, during that time building Jewish settlements.

Israel withdrew its troops and settlers in 2005, though it retained control over its airspace, shared border and shoreline. The UN still considers the territory occupied by Israel.

What are the main problems between Israelis and Palestinians?

There are a number of issues which the two sides cannot agree on.

These include:

  • What should happen to Palestinian refugees
  • Whether Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank should stay or be removed
  • Whether the two sides should share Jerusalem
  • And - perhaps most tricky of all - whether a Palestinian state should be created alongside Israel
What efforts have been made to resolve these problems?

Israel-Palestinian peace talks were held on and off between the 1990s and 2010s, interspersed with outbreaks of violence.

A negotiated peace did seem possible in the early days. A series of secret talks in Norway became the Oslo peace process, forever symbolised by a ceremony on the White House lawn in 1993 presided over by President Bill Clinton.

In a historic moment, the Palestinians recognised the State of Israel and Israel recognised its historical enemy, the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO), as the sole representative of the Palestinian people. A self-governing Palestinian Authority was set up.

Cracks soon appeared, though, with then opposition leader Benjamin Netanyahu calling Oslo a mortal threat to Israel. The Israelis accelerated their project to settle Jews in the occupied Palestinian territories. The recently emerged Palestinian militant group Hamas sent suicide bombers to kill people in Israel and wreck the chances of a deal.


Peace seemed possible in the early 1990s when the Oslo accords were signed

The atmosphere in Israel turned ugly, culminating in Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin's assassination by a Jewish extremist on 4 November 1995.

In the 2000s attempts were made to revive the peace process - including in 2003 when a roadmap was devised by world powers with the ultimate goal of a two-state solution, but this was never implemented.

Peace efforts finally stalled in 2014, when talks failed between Israelis and Palestinians in Washington.

The most recent peace plan - prepared by the United States when Donald Trump was president - was called "the deal of the century" by Prime Minister Netanyahu, but was dismissed by the Palestinians as one-sided and never got off the ground.

Why are Israel and Gaza at war now?

Gaza is ruled by Hamas, an Islamist militant group that is committed to the destruction of Israel and is designated as a terrorist group by the UK and many other powers.

Hamas won the Palestinians' last elections in 2006, and seized control of Gaza the following year by ousting the rival Fatah movement of West Bank-based President Mahmoud Abbas.

Since then, militants in Gaza have fought several wars with Israel, which along with Egypt has maintained a partial blockade on the strip to isolate Hamas and try to stop attacks, particularly the indiscriminate firing of rockets towards Israeli cities.

Palestinians in Gaza say Israel's restrictions and its air strikes on heavily populated areas amount to collective punishment.

This year has been the deadliest year on record for Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem. They also complain of the restrictions and military actions being carried out there in response to deadly attacks on Israelis.


  • 9.8 million Israel Population
  • 73.6%Jews
  • 21.1%Arabs
  • 5.3%Other
Source: Israel Central Bureau of Statistics


These tensions could have been one of the reasons for Hamas's latest attack.

But the militants may also have been seeking to boost their popularity among ordinary Palestinians, including by using hostages to pressure Israel to free some of the estimated 4,500 Palestinians held in its prisons.
 
From the BBC News website

What was Israel before 1948, and what was the Balfour Declaration?

Britain took control of the area known as Palestine after the ruler of that part of the Middle East, the Ottoman Empire, was defeated in World War One.

The land was inhabited by a Jewish minority and Arab majority, as well as other, smaller ethnic groups.


Tensions between the two peoples grew when the international community gave the UK the task of establishing a "national home" in Palestine for Jewish people.

This stemmed from the Balfour Declaration of 1917, a pledge made by then Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Britain's Jewish community.


The declaration was enshrined in the British mandate over Palestine and endorsed by the newly-created League of Nations - forerunner of the United Nations - in 1922.

To Jews Palestine was their ancestral home, but Palestinian Arabs also claimed the land and opposed the move.


Between the 1920s and 1940s, the number of Jews arriving there grew, with many fleeing from persecution in Europe, especially the Nazi Holocaust in World War Two.

Violence between Jews and Arabs, and against British rule, also increased.


In 1947, the UN voted for Palestine to be split into separate Jewish and Arab states, with Jerusalem becoming an international city.

That plan was accepted by Jewish leaders but rejected by the Arab side and never implemented.


How and why was Israel created?

In 1948, unable to solve the problem, Britain withdrew and Jewish leaders declared the creation of the State of Israel.

It was intended to serve as a safe haven for Jews fleeing persecution, as well as a national homeland for Jews.

Fighting between Jewish and Arab militias had been intensifying for months, and the day after Israel declared statehood, five Arab countries attacked.


Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians fled or were forced out of their homes in what they call Al Nakba, or the "Catastrophe"

By the time the fighting ended in a ceasefire the following year, Israel controlled most of the territory.



Jordan occupied land which became known as the West Bank, and Egypt occupied Gaza.

Jerusalem was divided between Israeli forces in the West, and Jordanian forces in the East.

Because there was never a peace agreement there were more wars and fighting in the following decades.

In a war in 1967, Israel occupied East Jerusalem and the West Bank, as well as most of the Syrian Golan Heights, Gaza and the Egyptian Sinai peninsula.

Most Palestinian refugees and their descendants live in Gaza and the West Bank, as well as in neighbouring Jordan, Syria and Lebanon.

Neither they nor their descendants have been allowed by Israel to return to their homes - Israel says this would overwhelm the country and threaten its existence as a Jewish state.


Israeli military commanders arrive in East Jerusalem during the Six Day War in 1967

Israel still occupies the West Bank and claims the whole of Jerusalem as its capital, while the Palestinians claim East Jerusalem as the capital of a hoped-for future Palestinian state. The US is one of only a handful of countries to recognise the city as Israel's capital.



In the past 50 years Israel has built settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, where more than 700,000 Jews now live.

Settlements are held to be illegal under international law - that is the position of the UN Security Council and the UK government, among others - although Israel rejects this.

What is the Gaza Strip?

Gaza is a narrow strip of land sandwiched between Israel and the Mediterranean Sea, but with a short southern border with Egypt.

Just 41km (25 miles) long and 10km wide, it has more than two million inhabitants and is one of the most densely populated places on Earth.

In the wake of the 1948-49 war, Gaza was occupied by Egypt for 19 years.


Palestinians

  • 14.3 millionTotal population

  • West Bank3 million
  • Gaza Strip2 million
  • Jordan2 million
  • Israel2 million
  • Syria0.5 million
Source: Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics


Israel occupied Gaza in the 1967 war and stayed until 2005, during that time building Jewish settlements.

Israel withdrew its troops and settlers in 2005, though it retained control over its airspace, shared border and shoreline. The UN still considers the territory occupied by Israel.

What are the main problems between Israelis and Palestinians?

There are a number of issues which the two sides cannot agree on.

These include:

  • What should happen to Palestinian refugees
  • Whether Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank should stay or be removed
  • Whether the two sides should share Jerusalem
  • And - perhaps most tricky of all - whether a Palestinian state should be created alongside Israel
What efforts have been made to resolve these problems?

Israel-Palestinian peace talks were held on and off between the 1990s and 2010s, interspersed with outbreaks of violence.

A negotiated peace did seem possible in the early days. A series of secret talks in Norway became the Oslo peace process, forever symbolised by a ceremony on the White House lawn in 1993 presided over by President Bill Clinton.

In a historic moment, the Palestinians recognised the State of Israel and Israel recognised its historical enemy, the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO), as the sole representative of the Palestinian people. A self-governing Palestinian Authority was set up.

Cracks soon appeared, though, with then opposition leader Benjamin Netanyahu calling Oslo a mortal threat to Israel. The Israelis accelerated their project to settle Jews in the occupied Palestinian territories. The recently emerged Palestinian militant group Hamas sent suicide bombers to kill people in Israel and wreck the chances of a deal.


Peace seemed possible in the early 1990s when the Oslo accords were signed

The atmosphere in Israel turned ugly, culminating in Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin's assassination by a Jewish extremist on 4 November 1995.

In the 2000s attempts were made to revive the peace process - including in 2003 when a roadmap was devised by world powers with the ultimate goal of a two-state solution, but this was never implemented.

Peace efforts finally stalled in 2014, when talks failed between Israelis and Palestinians in Washington.

The most recent peace plan - prepared by the United States when Donald Trump was president - was called "the deal of the century" by Prime Minister Netanyahu, but was dismissed by the Palestinians as one-sided and never got off the ground.

Why are Israel and Gaza at war now?

Gaza is ruled by Hamas, an Islamist militant group that is committed to the destruction of Israel and is designated as a terrorist group by the UK and many other powers.

Hamas won the Palestinians' last elections in 2006, and seized control of Gaza the following year by ousting the rival Fatah movement of West Bank-based President Mahmoud Abbas.

Since then, militants in Gaza have fought several wars with Israel, which along with Egypt has maintained a partial blockade on the strip to isolate Hamas and try to stop attacks, particularly the indiscriminate firing of rockets towards Israeli cities.

Palestinians in Gaza say Israel's restrictions and its air strikes on heavily populated areas amount to collective punishment.

This year has been the deadliest year on record for Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem. They also complain of the restrictions and military actions being carried out there in response to deadly attacks on Israelis.


  • 9.8 million Israel Population
  • 73.6%Jews
  • 21.1%Arabs
  • 5.3%Other
Source: Israel Central Bureau of Statistics


These tensions could have been one of the reasons for Hamas's latest attack.

But the militants may also have been seeking to boost their popularity among ordinary Palestinians, including by using hostages to pressure Israel to free some of the estimated 4,500 Palestinians held in its prisons.
Worth putting that out. Well done.
 
Yes. It’s worth reminding people how Israel and Palestine got to where they are now.

And a nod to Rabin. Probably the greatest Israeli PM their country has had. Slowly nudging all the recalcitrant parties towards a peaceful settlement until he was assassinated by a right wing Israeli. And who was one of his biggest critics? Netanyahu.
 
This situation could become desperately bad. If Israel invade the Gaza Strip and proceed in a provocative manner it could lull them - and by association, the USA - into war with Iran. If that happened, China, India and Russia would back Iran and the rest of the Arab States would feel bound to support China - given the latter's heavy investment under its 'Belt and Road' schemes. This would leave Israel and the US with the backing of Britain, France Canada (already on bad terms with India), and Australia - the latter having its own problems with China in the South China Sea.
 
I think Russia might have their hands full already
The way their military have been found wanting in Ukraine, the last thing they probably need is another war
Especially against any country with a half decent well armed military
 
You must also be devastated at how your beloved Labour party is defending the Israelis

Its hilarious seeing you flounder daily on this board
I've taken up residence in your head.

It's horrible in there, but I can recommend a good therapist, although it's going to take them a long time to cure you.
 
I've taken up residence in your head.

It's horrible in there, but I can recommend a good therapist, although it's going to take them a long time to cure you.
You haven't as I really couldn't care about your constant copy and pastes from the BBC website

remainder removed.
 
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You haven't as I really couldn't care about your constant copy and pastes from the BBC website

I actually think it's funny

Let's not forget the same source you use also spent decades covering up known sex offender Jimmy Saville
Apparently GB News has some really balanced and credible reports.

A bit more to your liking, maybe.
 
From the BBC News website

What was Israel before 1948, and what was the Balfour Declaration?

Britain took control of the area known as Palestine after the ruler of that part of the Middle East, the Ottoman Empire, was defeated in World War One.

The land was inhabited by a Jewish minority and Arab majority, as well as other, smaller ethnic groups.


Tensions between the two peoples grew when the international community gave the UK the task of establishing a "national home" in Palestine for Jewish people.

This stemmed from the Balfour Declaration of 1917, a pledge made by then Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Britain's Jewish community.


The declaration was enshrined in the British mandate over Palestine and endorsed by the newly-created League of Nations - forerunner of the United Nations - in 1922.

To Jews Palestine was their ancestral home, but Palestinian Arabs also claimed the land and opposed the move.


Between the 1920s and 1940s, the number of Jews arriving there grew, with many fleeing from persecution in Europe, especially the Nazi Holocaust in World War Two.

Violence between Jews and Arabs, and against British rule, also increased.


In 1947, the UN voted for Palestine to be split into separate Jewish and Arab states, with Jerusalem becoming an international city.

That plan was accepted by Jewish leaders but rejected by the Arab side and never implemented.


How and why was Israel created?

In 1948, unable to solve the problem, Britain withdrew and Jewish leaders declared the creation of the State of Israel.

It was intended to serve as a safe haven for Jews fleeing persecution, as well as a national homeland for Jews.

Fighting between Jewish and Arab militias had been intensifying for months, and the day after Israel declared statehood, five Arab countries attacked.


Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians fled or were forced out of their homes in what they call Al Nakba, or the "Catastrophe"

By the time the fighting ended in a ceasefire the following year, Israel controlled most of the territory.



Jordan occupied land which became known as the West Bank, and Egypt occupied Gaza.

Jerusalem was divided between Israeli forces in the West, and Jordanian forces in the East.

Because there was never a peace agreement there were more wars and fighting in the following decades.

In a war in 1967, Israel occupied East Jerusalem and the West Bank, as well as most of the Syrian Golan Heights, Gaza and the Egyptian Sinai peninsula.

Most Palestinian refugees and their descendants live in Gaza and the West Bank, as well as in neighbouring Jordan, Syria and Lebanon.

Neither they nor their descendants have been allowed by Israel to return to their homes - Israel says this would overwhelm the country and threaten its existence as a Jewish state.


Israeli military commanders arrive in East Jerusalem during the Six Day War in 1967

Israel still occupies the West Bank and claims the whole of Jerusalem as its capital, while the Palestinians claim East Jerusalem as the capital of a hoped-for future Palestinian state. The US is one of only a handful of countries to recognise the city as Israel's capital.



In the past 50 years Israel has built settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, where more than 700,000 Jews now live.

Settlements are held to be illegal under international law - that is the position of the UN Security Council and the UK government, among others - although Israel rejects this.

What is the Gaza Strip?

Gaza is a narrow strip of land sandwiched between Israel and the Mediterranean Sea, but with a short southern border with Egypt.

Just 41km (25 miles) long and 10km wide, it has more than two million inhabitants and is one of the most densely populated places on Earth.

In the wake of the 1948-49 war, Gaza was occupied by Egypt for 19 years.


Palestinians

  • 14.3 millionTotal population

  • West Bank3 million
  • Gaza Strip2 million
  • Jordan2 million
  • Israel2 million
  • Syria0.5 million
Source: Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics


Israel occupied Gaza in the 1967 war and stayed until 2005, during that time building Jewish settlements.

Israel withdrew its troops and settlers in 2005, though it retained control over its airspace, shared border and shoreline. The UN still considers the territory occupied by Israel.

What are the main problems between Israelis and Palestinians?

There are a number of issues which the two sides cannot agree on.

These include:

  • What should happen to Palestinian refugees
  • Whether Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank should stay or be removed
  • Whether the two sides should share Jerusalem
  • And - perhaps most tricky of all - whether a Palestinian state should be created alongside Israel
What efforts have been made to resolve these problems?

Israel-Palestinian peace talks were held on and off between the 1990s and 2010s, interspersed with outbreaks of violence.

A negotiated peace did seem possible in the early days. A series of secret talks in Norway became the Oslo peace process, forever symbolised by a ceremony on the White House lawn in 1993 presided over by President Bill Clinton.

In a historic moment, the Palestinians recognised the State of Israel and Israel recognised its historical enemy, the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO), as the sole representative of the Palestinian people. A self-governing Palestinian Authority was set up.

Cracks soon appeared, though, with then opposition leader Benjamin Netanyahu calling Oslo a mortal threat to Israel. The Israelis accelerated their project to settle Jews in the occupied Palestinian territories. The recently emerged Palestinian militant group Hamas sent suicide bombers to kill people in Israel and wreck the chances of a deal.


Peace seemed possible in the early 1990s when the Oslo accords were signed

The atmosphere in Israel turned ugly, culminating in Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin's assassination by a Jewish extremist on 4 November 1995.

In the 2000s attempts were made to revive the peace process - including in 2003 when a roadmap was devised by world powers with the ultimate goal of a two-state solution, but this was never implemented.

Peace efforts finally stalled in 2014, when talks failed between Israelis and Palestinians in Washington.

The most recent peace plan - prepared by the United States when Donald Trump was president - was called "the deal of the century" by Prime Minister Netanyahu, but was dismissed by the Palestinians as one-sided and never got off the ground.

Why are Israel and Gaza at war now?

Gaza is ruled by Hamas, an Islamist militant group that is committed to the destruction of Israel and is designated as a terrorist group by the UK and many other powers.

Hamas won the Palestinians' last elections in 2006, and seized control of Gaza the following year by ousting the rival Fatah movement of West Bank-based President Mahmoud Abbas.

Since then, militants in Gaza have fought several wars with Israel, which along with Egypt has maintained a partial blockade on the strip to isolate Hamas and try to stop attacks, particularly the indiscriminate firing of rockets towards Israeli cities.

Palestinians in Gaza say Israel's restrictions and its air strikes on heavily populated areas amount to collective punishment.

This year has been the deadliest year on record for Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem. They also complain of the restrictions and military actions being carried out there in response to deadly attacks on Israelis.


  • 9.8 million Israel Population
  • 73.6%Jews
  • 21.1%Arabs
  • 5.3%Other
Source: Israel Central Bureau of Statistics


These tensions could have been one of the reasons for Hamas's latest attack.

But the militants may also have been seeking to boost their popularity among ordinary Palestinians, including by using hostages to pressure Israel to free some of the estimated 4,500 Palestinians held in its prisons.
I thought the creation of Israel had its beginnings during the First World war when the British and French wanted to entice America to fight alongside them in the war against Germany and the Ottoman Empire.
 
I thought the creation of Israel had its beginnings during the First World war when the British and French wanted to entice America to fight alongside them in the war against Germany and the Ottoman Empire.
I think that was a consideration, but Balfour was behind it all, to appease the ultra rich Jewish bankers such as the Rothschilds
 
In other news now I’m all for free speech and any legal protests in this country by any legal groups of people but come on for the Met Police to allow these Palestinians protestors to protest at the cenotaph in Whitehall is dam right out of order I’m my opinion.

This is a memorial to British and Commonwealth forces who died in conflicts of wars it’s not a place to protest in support of a terrorist organisation and the extermination of another country and to allow them to erect a stage for hate speech’s is dam right out of order.
Mind you Sadiq Khan rubber stamped it all so say no more.
 
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In other news now I’m all for free speech and any legal protests in this country by any legal groups of people but come on for the Met Police to allow these Palestinians protestors to protest at the cenotaph in Whitehall is dam right out of order I’m my opinion.

This is a memorial to British and Commonwealth forces who died in conflicts of wars it’s not a place to protest in support of a terrorist organisation and the extermination of another country and to allow them to erect a stage for hate speech’s is dam right out of order.
Mind you Sadiq Khan rubber stamped it all so say no more.
Westminster Council is responsible for approving or prohibiting protests around the Cenotaph. I don’t think that has anything to do with Sadiq Khan who heads up GLC. And anyway the council have said they didn’t approve it.
 
Westminster Council is responsible for approving or prohibiting protests around the Cenotaph. I don’t think that has anything to do with Sadiq Khan who heads up GLC. And anyway the council have said they didn’t approve it.
That’s why I specifically mentioned the Met Police and Sadiq Khan both of them had the powers to stop it and neither did so shame on both.
 
That’s why I specifically mentioned the Met Police and Sadiq Khan both of them had the powers to stop it and neither did so shame on both.
Actually you claimed Khan had “rubber stamped” (ie given the go ahead for) the protest. That wasn’t true. It was in an area controlled by Westminster Council not the GLC.

Whether the GLC has a power to prevent protests in an area controlled by Westminster Council I have no idea. But the London Mayor wouldn’t usually become involved in police operational matters which are the responsibility of the Met.
 
Actually you claimed Khan had “rubber stamped” (ie given the go ahead) for the protest. That wasn’t true. It was in an area controlled by Westminster Council not the GLC.

Whether the GLC has a power to prevent protests in an area controlled by Westminster Council I have no idea. But the London Mayor wouldn’t usually become involved in police operational matters which are the responsibility of the Met.
So how do you know he didn’t rubber stamp it you don’t do you?

For the second time he could have stopped it but didn’t same for the Met Police.

I doubt very much Boris would have allowed it to happen just my opinion.
 
In other news now I’m all for free speech and any legal protests in this country by any legal groups of people but come on for the Met Police to allow these Palestinians protestors to protest at the cenotaph in Whitehall is dam right out of order I’m my opinion.

This is a memorial to British and Commonwealth forces who died in conflicts of wars it’s not a place to protest in support of a terrorist organisation and the extermination of another country and to allow them to erect a stage for hate speech’s is dam right out of order.
Mind you Sadiq Khan rubber stamped it all so say no more.
Careful with your blood pressure
 
So how do you know he didn’t rubber stamp it you don’t do you?

For the second time he could have stopped it but didn’t same for the Met Police.

I doubt very much Boris would have allowed it to happen just my opinion.
And you don’t know he rubber stamped it either do you? But you’re happy to claim he did. Westminster Council (the authority responsible) have made it clear the protest wasn’t approved.

And how do you know he had the power to stop it?

And why aren’t you asking why Suella Braverman, the Home Secretary, didn’t stop it? Or order the Met to stop it?
 
I know very little about the setting up of the state in this region but I have seen social media posts which seem to indicate that on several occasions talks have tried to reach a compromise. It is alleged that on each occasion Israel has agreed to a separate Palestinian state but it has been rejected by Palestinians as they refuse to recognise a state of Israel.

Might be BS but it is an indication that the issue is not as straightforward as calling for a separate state.
 
So how do you know he didn’t rubber stamp it you don’t do you?
You said that Khan had 'rubber stamped it' and your proof seems to be 'we don't know that he didn't', that is crazy logic and leaves anybody open to any accusation because we don't know that they didn't do something.

These people are expressing their right to free speech and the Palestinian cause is a legitimate one. When they overstep the mark, as set down in the law, they can be (and are) arrested, like in this case;


However, I feel that freedom of speech is one of the things that we should protect in our country, even when we don't agree with what is said.
 
I know very little about the setting up of the state in this region but I have seen social media posts which seem to indicate that on several occasions talks have tried to reach a compromise. It is alleged that on each occasion Israel has agreed to a separate Palestinian state but it has been rejected by Palestinians as they refuse to recognise a state of Israel.

Might be BS but it is an indication that the issue is not as straightforward as calling for a separate state.
The PLO recognised the State of Israel in 1993 under the Oslo Accords. But I think you’re correct that Hamas (which replaced the PLO in Gaza - but not the West Bank) do not.
 
In other news now I’m all for free speech and any legal protests in this country by any legal groups of people but.....
"...when I don`t personally like it I`m gonna go all snowflakey, and blame someone without justification!"

To quote the great Malcolm Tucker when talking (possibly) about free speech:

"Either get the f*** in, or f*** the f*** off!"....
 
You said that Khan had 'rubber stamped it' and your proof seems to be 'we don't know that he didn't', that is crazy logic and leaves anybody open to any accusation because we don't know that they didn't do something.
These people are expressing their right to free speech and the Palestinian cause is a legitimate one. When they overstep the mark, as set down in the law, they can be (and are) arrested, like in this case;


However, I feel that freedom of speech is one of the things that we should protect in our country, even when we don't agree with what is said.
That’s why I said earlier I’m all for free speech.
I just have issues with where and when and what actually is said as calling for the elimination of any state is hardly freedom of speech is it?
Allowing this to happen at the cenotaph was wrong full stop.
There’s plenty of other places in London it could have been held why here? but hey if your happy holding it at the most sacred place in the country where we remember our war dead then that is up to you but for me it was 100% wrong.
 
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i find it incredible that the moderators on here are quick to delete what they consider to be racist comments , as well as their hypocrisy and deliberate bias over the use of the terms looney leftie and rwnj and here they are again having no problems with anti semitic comments still showing. Shame on you.
 
i find it incredible that the moderators on here are quick to delete what they consider to be racist comments , as well as their hypocrisy and deliberate bias over the use of the terms looney leftie and rwnj and here they are again having no problems with anti semitic comments still showing. Shame on you.
Always been the case on here Pete.

I got a six week ban earlier this year for so called racist comments yet the person I was involved in a racist slagging match walked away completely free.

No surprises really it’s just shocking moderation when it comes to issues like this it’s always one way.
 
In other news now I’m all for free speech and any legal protests in this country by any legal groups of people but come on for the Met Police to allow these Palestinians protestors to protest at the cenotaph in Whitehall is dam right out of order I’m my opinion.

This is a memorial to British and Commonwealth forces who died in conflicts of wars it’s not a place to protest in support of a terrorist organisation and the extermination of another country and to allow them to erect a stage for hate speech’s is dam right out of order.
Mind you Sadiq Khan rubber stamped it all so say no more.
I read that GB News article too.
 
i find it incredible that the moderators on here are quick to delete what they consider to be racist comments , as well as their hypocrisy and deliberate bias over the use of the terms looney leftie and rwnj and here they are again having no problems with anti semitic comments still showing. Shame on you.
Yep I've had loads removed on this side of the board and none of it broke any rules

Fcuking marxist twats
 
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