It’s Sunak

glasshalffull said:
Good luck to him. He’s going to need it!
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So a bloke with massive personal wealth, who was strongly pro-Brexit but later admitted that it's wrecking the economy, who ran up massive bills and devalued the pound during the pandemic is now presented as the man to take the country forward. God save the UK.

You honestly couldn't write a more twisted script.
 
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Matesrates said:
He understands our problems, he and his wife are only worth £730 million.
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he does however understand their problems (and by their I mean the ultra wealthy, the big corps and the chaos financiers) and he knows how to sell it to the Party, the Daily Heil and the Torygraph. Whatever gains Starmer theoretically might had made up against a barely house trained baboon and two short planks expect that to be thoroughly laid to waste.

IF he can get the Tufton street groups on side short term with some pragmatic resolutions to Brexit problems that exist simply because Brexiters are at their essence fantasists, which will appeal to the so called One Nation Tory's then you can see him re-uniting the Tory's at a pragmatic level, get through the next 18 -20 months with some perceptional green shoots of recovery, call a GE and secure a landslide. At which point the real work begins
 
Wizaard said:
Anti NHS as well. Private health care US style here we come.
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precisely, but i think that will take a back seat while he gets the various factions of his party on-side and more or less aligned. Privatised Justice system as well, at least partially he's mooted in the past when talking to RW groups in the states
 
Costero Poderoso said:
precisely, but i think that will take a back seat while he gets the various factions of his party on-side and more or less aligned. Privatised Justice system as well, at least partially he's mooted in the past when talking to RW groups in the states
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Claims he'll implement the 2019 manifesto they were elected on. Missed the bit about selling off the NHS in it. Anyone else point me to the right paragraph?
 
Thank goodness we've at last got somebody with ability.

He's going to have a rough time with the economy, but he's light years ahead of Lying Bastard and Miz-Trust.

Good luck to him
 
Every Tory since it's invention appears to have been selling off the NHS, yet still it's there as the largest employer in Europe (2015 figures) and the 5th largest non-militarised employer on the planet. Given the relative size of the populations we are taking about the US D.o.D employs 0.83% of the population, the People's Liberation Army 0.2% the NHS 2.5% of the population - it's true largest employer on the planet - staggering.

It's not going to happen, lots of other things might happen, but I will guarantee we will not have a medical system like the USA in the next two years.
 
Wizaard said:
Claims he'll implement the 2019 manifesto they were elected on. Missed the bit about selling off the NHS in it. Anyone else point me to the right paragraph?
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there isnt one -but Sunak has met several times with major US health care companies to "invest" in the UK. mostly to do with handing off old aged care at the moment. It will be a slow sell off, but mark my words with Sunak, if he gets a public mandate it will happen. Will probably aim it at younger professionals at first - co-paying agreements, or limiting NHS access over certain salary levels. the NHS will not be privatised it will just be starved of cash so that more and more people will just turn to private medicine. Ten fifteen years down the line the NHS is pretty much like medicare in the US
Shandypants said:
Yes but it's odd how the ERG aren't a fan
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I think it is because he's a pragmatist and knows that there has to be some form of negotiation with the EU. most of the ERG still believe in the fantasies of their brexit claims, or if they accept any level of pragmatism it undermines everything the ERG have been lobbying for. at the moment there is a major contingent of ERG in the cabinet some of them might be persuaded to get into line short term or just simply bribed into agreement. the real nut-jobs like JRM might then be levered out.

if he cant get some form of agreement with the ERG and the Tufton lot i give him four months. the Tufton lot have been playing a three decade game, they can wait another two years. Reece Mogg is a cretin who everyone thinks is a joke, im pretty sure those at Tufton st. could get him into line.

Sunak is a natural ally of the tufton street goups general work.
 
TSSeasider said:
Every Tory since it's invention appears to have been selling off the NHS, yet still it's there as the largest employer in Europe (2015 figures) and the 5th largest non-militarised employer on the planet. Given the relative size of the populations we are taking about the US D.o.D employs 0.83% of the population, the People's Liberation Army 0.2% the NHS 2.5% of the population - it's true largest employer on the planet - staggering.

It's not going to happen, lots of other things might happen, but I will guarantee we will not have a medical system like the USA in the next two years.
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of course it won't you couldn't do that, but over a ten - fifteen year period - 2 to three election cycles, run it down to the point where the national health service is simply urgent care for those with no resources.
 
Matesrates said:
It’s quite simple Rishi, windfall tax on banks, energy and oil companies will solve the problem.

I’m available for a consultation fee of £1 million pounds
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I think there will be a windfall tax on energy suppliers, 1. they are mostly foreign, 2. it would go down well with the public and 3. reinforce his image of a sensible economics manager and 4 for the immediate future it means less government spending. Oil companies arent really based in the UK, and there is no way he's taxing the banking system.
 
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Costero Poderoso said:
there isnt one -but Sunak has met several times with major US health care companies to "invest" in the UK. mostly to do with handing off old aged care at the moment. It will be a slow sell off, but mark my words with Sunak, if he gets a public mandate it will happen. Will probably aim it at younger professionals at first - co-paying agreements, or limiting NHS access over certain salary levels. the NHS will not be privatised it will just be starved of cash so that more and more people will just turn to private medicine. Ten fifteen years down the line the NHS is pretty much like medicare in the US

I think it is because he's a pragmatist and knows that there has to be some form of negotiation with the EU. most of the ERG still believe in the fantasies of their brexit claims, or if they accept any level of pragmatism it undermines everything the ERG have been lobbying for. at the moment there is a major contingent of ERG in the cabinet some of them might be persuaded to get into line short term or just simply bribed into agreement. the real nut-jobs like JRM might then be levered out.

if he cant get some form of agreement with the ERG and the Tufton lot i give him four months. the Tufton lot have been playing a three decade game, they can wait another two years. Reece Mogg is a cretin who everyone thinks is a joke, im pretty sure those at Tufton st. could get him into line.

Sunak is a natural ally of the tufton street goups general work.
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Depressing read that but I won't disagree with your synopsis, I think it's a great summary.
 
Costero Poderoso said:
of course it won't you couldn't do that, but over a ten - fifteen year period - 2 to three election cycles, run it down to the point where the national health service is simply urgent care for those with no resources.
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In the nearly 75 years of the NHS; we've had about 25 years of Labour government and 50 years of Tory and it's still there, employing 2.5% of the population, being funded by the state to the tune of £135bn/year (12% GDP in 2021).

I get that is lucrative at the top end, and the private sector could probably turn a profit from it, but it's not going to happen. I don't even think we will change the universal approach to an insurance based scheme like they have in Germany and France.
 
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Bloodtangerine said:
EVERY question?
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No Blood of course not. He'll be asked about his Party tanking the economy, weakening the Pound, not dealing adequately with the energy companies, causing mortgage rates to explode, the in-fighting in his Parliamentary Party, the huge cuts about to take place in Government spending and, of course, the complete lack of any mandate for whatever he does.
 
TSSeasider said:
In the nearly 75 years of the NHS; we've had about 25 years of Labour government and 50 years of Tory and it's still there, employing 2.5% of the population, being funded by the state to the tune of £135bn/year (12% GDP in 2021).

I get that is lucrative at the top end, and the private sector could probably turn a profit from it, but it's not going to happen. I don't even think we will change the universal approach to an insurance based scheme like they have in Germany and France.
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It might be the biggest single employer, which is why many private health advocates want to get it off of government books. So far it’s been a vote killer, because almost all the public see the benefits of a public health system.

Comparative spending has risen from around 3% of GDP in 1950 to a high of 7.6% in 2010. It’s been dropping year on year since then. It’s around 7% now. The recent figures are distorted by the nearly 5% shrink in the UK economy in 2009, the UK economy hasn’t really grown since then, actual cost is difficult to compare, the population in that time has grown by 40%. with a massive jump in older people.

If the UK economy is going to shrink even further, which it will then spending has to be cut, reform of the NHS will be on the lips as he puts together plans to rein in spending in general. Health is one of those areas, and education is the other that have easy means to wider and progressive privatisation and profitisation, and reduce government spending.

There is a complacency in the UK, we were complacent about our freedom of movement, and that is gone. Education has been turned into something for the privileged, although most universities are not for profit they are majority in the hands of private funders. There are however 9 for profit universities for degree level study. There are nearly 800 higher education establishments (according to the audit office which doesn’t tally with department of education) the majority of which are for profit and often award dubious qualifications. It’s taken around twenty five years since the introduction of educational fees for higher education to get to this point. The Quality of higher education is measurably lower than thirty years ago and the costs are increasing year on year, making further education almost impossible for many.

a gradual change in provision and accessibility could easily occur over three or four election cycles, particularly when you have A PM who truly believes that health is a profit generator. The big problem is that as it becomes a profit generator it needs to further profitised. The UK doesn't have the social democracy traditions of germany and france and the legislative frameworks that protect social provision in those countries.
 
585 = never give up said:
For the good of our economy, our people & our great but broken nation:
Rishi needs to pick the experienced, big hitters for his cabinet (unlike Truss who picked her mates).
His MP's need to unite as one behind him.
Good luck, you have one hell of a challenge ahead of you.
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I'm intrigued who are the big hitters for cabinet
 
So bare in mind when you next vote at the ballot box it is only a token vote because it is the manipulators, schemers, exploiters, connivers, exploiters, string-pullers etc who really control the strings of who the next puppet PM should be ( for their agenda)-not you or me.
The country wanted Boris but the puppeteers( behind the doors of Westminster) certainly didn't and have got their own way at last.
 
585 = never give up said:
For the good of our economy, our people & our great but broken nation:
Rishi needs to pick the experienced, big hitters for his cabinet (unlike Truss who picked her mates).
His MP's need to unite as one behind him.
Good luck, you have one hell of a challenge ahead of you.
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He's said he'll have a cabinet of all the talents.

So sat in an empty room.
 
TSSeasider said:
In the nearly 75 years of the NHS; we've had about 25 years of Labour government and 50 years of Tory and it's still there, employing 2.5% of the population, being funded by the state to the tune of £135bn/year (12% GDP in 2021).

I get that is lucrative at the top end, and the private sector could probably turn a profit from it, but it's not going to happen. I don't even think we will change the universal approach to an insurance based scheme like they have in Germany and France.
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Not whilst Labour are reliant upon the unions for their funding, that's for sure.
 
Oh dear, PMQs will be like two Siri apps conversing with each other. The fuck nugget who bankrupted the country gets a promotion, what could go wrong?
 
So the richest MP that has a US green card while he was chancellor has been chosen by a few MPs in his party to be PM.
He has a couple of years to win the public over before the next election, but I simply can't see the economy recovering in time
and after the last ten years of the Tory government being in power people have had enough and want a change.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Not whilst Labour are reliant upon the unions for their funding, that's for sure.
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The Labour Party grew out of the British industrial working class via the trades Union movement. You talk about their funding of the Party as if it's wrong. It isn't. I'm not trying to convince you btw, you're beyond redemption. I'm just stating it as a fact.
 
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rockontommy said:
Oh dear, PMQs will be like two Siri apps conversing with each other. The fuck nugget who bankrupted the country gets a promotion, what could go wrong?
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going to finish the job now

Then he will have the ready made solution all prepared... Central bank digital currency
 
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