It takes a big man to admit they are wrong

TwelveAngryMen said:
Kai Kai's had more lives than a Hindhu god Phil

Equally I am not sure we've found the next KDH - early days though
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Not played no 10 for a year or more though has he? There's a clear difference in terms of the job he was asked to do last year (and did well enough to generate enthusiasm about his skill and have us riding high in the league) and the job he did this year.

He was crocked from January last year, missed most of the shit Grayson performances, if not all of them and hasn't ever been allowed off the left wing since.

If say Garbutt had been played at CB would we be saying "Garbutt is shit" or imploring the manager to play him on the left? If he'd carried on playing Turton at centre half, would we say Turton has 'had a chance'

I dunno why this doesn't apply to Sullay.

#freesullaykaikai
#poolsno10
 
Eternaloptimist said:
Thing is Gaz people mention the wrong formation after the result and never seem to come on this forum at the start of a match and say it’s wrong then
If we had beaten Ipswich with that line up and formation (and by the way had the chances been put away we could have won) then Critchley would have been getting the plaudits and not all this “time to go” crap
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"IF" but we didn't and the 2nd half performance was an embarrassment.
 
td53 said:
Not played no 10 for a year or more though has he? There's a clear difference in terms of the job he was asked to do last year (and did well enough to generate enthusiasm about his skill and have us riding high in the league) and the job he did this year.

He was crocked from January last year, missed most of the shit Grayson performances, if not all of them and hasn't ever been allowed off the left wing since.

If say Garbutt had been played at CB would we be saying "Garbutt is shit" or imploring the manager to play him on the left? If he'd carried on playing Turton at centre half, would we say Turton has 'had a chance'

I dunno why this doesn't apply to Sullay.

#freesullaykaikai
#poolsno10
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I understand your point TD and I think it's fair to an extent. I'd also say that SKK has played enough over 2 seasons now for us all to recognise that he has talent but is inconsistent and doesn't influence the game enough. It's a tough one for the coach as he obviously wants to play a certain way that would suit someone like SKK, but you can't turn a blind eye to 'fresh air' performances either.

On the wider point, the little man makes some fair points around Critch. It's pretty simple really, the guy has to stop dicking around and play the most effective line up he can. As someone else has said, it's almost like he thinks he's too smart for 4-4-2 or that it's beneath him. The simple truth is we look far more dangerous AND far more secure with 4 across the middle and a pair up top. The results back that up conclusively.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Wiz

Considering your point in isolation - there's one for Plumbs - why would the covid period be extracted when looking at a managers tenure ?

There is no doubt that things are different in such times but is the ability to deal with changing circumstances not something a manager should be judged on ?

For the benefit of the tape, I am not expressing an opinion on Critch's performance during the covid period.
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There were no games being played, the players were not training yet date spans are being compared. Grayson's seven months was far more 'normal' than Critchley's year in charge. As such, they shouldn't be compared.
 
Eternaloptimist said:
Thing is Gaz people mention the wrong formation after the result and never seem to come on this forum at the start of a match and say it’s wrong then
If we had beaten Ipswich with that line up and formation (and by the way had the chances been put away we could have won) then Critchley would have been getting the plaudits and not all this “time to go” crap
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The aftertiming is bad enough but it's these accepted viewpoints that if he'd only brought y on for x and not x on for y then we'd have won instead of getting beat that get me.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's perfectly acceptable for football supporters to question decisions made by managers both before and after games and perfectly feasible that a supporters decision could be prove to be better than the managers down the line, I just struggle to understand supporters who feel that a manager should be sacked because he continues to play Smith instead of Jones.

I don't know if social media is to blame but I see supporters have also moved on from, "We should be playing 4-4-2 not 4-3-3" to "We should be playing 3-2-3-1-2 or 4-2-1-2-1" and all such b0110x as if formations win matches and there is a perfect answer to an exact science.

Question a managers selctions and tactics by any means and question his position when appropriate but we'd have 10 managers every season if we replaced them every time we disagreed with them.

I appreciate that some might tell me, "Just give us a shout when you decide when it's appropriate to consider the managers POSITION" but I just feel that too many are far too fickle and overreact to both negative and positive results.
 
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Phil_bfc deux said:
We don't know if any of them are actually any good though or up to the standard of league one football, the current rules mean you have to include 'home grown' players in the squad

A couple of been shipped out on loan without really having a chance in the first team and we have brought in other teams youngsters instead of playing ours

So again i don't get your point

Sorry ...
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Well the two that were given a chance pre-season, Shaw and Antwi, certainly didn't embarass themselves and that's not just my biased opinion. I seem to recall a number of posters even gave them MOM ratings.
I accept we don't know if the others are good enough and that's where we get to my criticism of Critchley. He needs to start introducing them on to the bench and then onto the pitch for 10/15 minutes at a time so we can find out.
Yes of course we've shipped some out and shipped some in. I fully accept those coming in are from better Academies than ours but my point is why didn't we try ours first.
I don't understand your point about the homegrown rule. It's never been a problem for us.
 
Wizaard said:
There were no games being played, the players were not training yet date spans are being compared. Grayson's seven months was far more 'normal' than Critchley's year in charge. As such, they shouldn't be compared.
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Comparisons can still be made Wiz but I hear what you say and it's fair enough.
 
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Don't think we should sack Critch now or during the Summer, but he's been backed immensely and is barely doing a better job than Grayson with a style of play that is only slightly better.

He promised free-flowing attacking football, but we really haven't seen that yet.

I have my overall doubts of him, because for how much he's been backed we should be much better off, but I think it's important to give him at least next year to prove himself.
 
straightatthewall said:
I understand your point TD and I think it's fair to an extent. I'd also say that SKK has played enough over 2 seasons now for us all to recognise that he has talent but is inconsistent and doesn't influence the game enough. It's a tough one for the coach as he obviously wants to play a certain way that would suit someone like SKK, but you can't turn a blind eye to 'fresh air' performances either.

On the wider point, the little man makes some fair points around Critch. It's pretty simple really, the guy has to stop dicking around and play the most effective line up he can. As someone else has said, it's almost like he thinks he's too smart for 4-4-2 or that it's beneath him. The simple truth is we look far more dangerous AND far more secure with 4 across the middle and a pair up top. The results back that up conclusively.
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My view is that Caldy came in and brought ideas, among them ways to improve the poor defence. That saw a 4- 4 formation, but it also undermined Critch, who has since reasserted himself. He'll continue dicking around and with all the will in the world I don't see a penny drop moment- they don't come around often and he's had one already.

As Tracy Chapman might have penned: He ain't got no plan, he ain't going nowhere, so take a fast car and keep on driving.

Hope I get to have that shoved down my neck with a good win tomorrow followed by a good run. We'll see.
 
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20togo said:
A lot is made of formations and we all have varying opinions on the players but in a nutshell it comes down to this. Don't play a formation that has been proven not to work so many times this season.
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Personally I think formations are the biggest nonsense in football and specially amongst supporters who would be unable to discuss them without listening to somebody elses opinion first.

Don't worry 20's you are not on my naughty step and I was certainly not accusing you of being fickle and placing you in the FIFA/Facebook generation.

You call things as you see them and without an agenda and have my permission to continue spouting your chite.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Personally I think formations are the biggest nonsense in football and specially amongst supporters who would be unable to discuss them without listening to somebody elses opinion first.

Don't worry 20's you are not on my naughty step and I was certainly not accusing you of being fickle and placing you in the FIFA/Facebook generation.

You call things as you see them and without an agenda and have my permission to continue spouting your chite.
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That's good because I was agreeing with you.
 
straightatthewall said:
I understand your point TD and I think it's fair to an extent. I'd also say that SKK has played enough over 2 seasons now for us all to recognise that he has talent but is inconsistent and doesn't influence the game enough. It's a tough one for the coach as he obviously wants to play a certain way that would suit someone like SKK, but you can't turn a blind eye to 'fresh air' performances either.

On the wider point, the little man makes some fair points around Critch. It's pretty simple really, the guy has to stop dicking around and play the most effective line up he can. As someone else has said, it's almost like he thinks he's too smart for 4-4-2 or that it's beneath him. The simple truth is we look far more dangerous AND far more secure with 4 across the middle and a pair up top. The results back that up conclusively.
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I think the key point isn't 'is Sullay good/bad' but why bring in a number 10 if you don't trust Sullay to play there but then make Sullay play as an 11...

He's either good enough or not and we either need a play to play as a ten or we don't. Having him out of position and then bringing in other players to play his position but leaving him in the team anyway is just a bit weird.
 
td53 said:
He's either good enough or not and we either need a play to play as a ten or we don't. Having him out of position and then bringing in other players to play his position but leaving him in the team anyway is just a bit weird.
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It worked in the sandpit!
 
td53 said:
I think the key point isn't 'is Sullay good/bad' but why bring in a number 10 if you don't trust Sullay to play there but then make Sullay play as an 11...

He's either good enough or not and we either need a play to play as a ten or we don't. Having him out of position and then bringing in other players to play his position but leaving him in the team anyway is just a bit weird.
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And lets not forget Critchley also brought in Woodburn and Kemp and played them out of position as well
 
62years&counting said:
Makes sense though eh? I know Critchley can do no wrong in your eyes and that even when team selection and tactics lead to a defeat it's not his fault, is it?
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I idolise him, he is godly even when showing his human side and trying 4-3-3.
It’s all part of preparation for the 4-3-3 revolution which will take us up as Champs next season
I realise I’m being sinful and greedy wanting 4-4-2 and everything now. I will have to flagellate harder to atone.
No wrong can come from him. Resisting is putting your soul at jeopardy.
 
Insider said:
Well the two that were given a chance pre-season, Shaw and Antwi, certainly didn't embarass themselves and that's not just my biased opinion. I seem to recall a number of posters even gave them MOM ratings.
I accept we don't know if the others are good enough and that's where we get to my criticism of Critchley. He needs to start introducing them on to the bench and then onto the pitch for 10/15 minutes at a time so we can find out.
Yes of course we've shipped some out and shipped some in. I fully accept those coming in are from better Academies than ours but my point is why didn't we try ours first.
I don't understand your point about the homegrown rule. It's never been a problem for us.
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Sorry but pre season means fcuk all and that was proven as we only won one game in 2 months after some decent exhibition stuff in friendlies

Maybe you need to look into the homegrown rule 😉
 
Insider said:
I know what the homegrown rule is?
Do you?
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Just an additional thought, are you getting mixed up with the Club Developed rule?

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33.8 Home Grown Players. Each Club shall be required to nominate a minimum of seven Home Grown Players on their Team Sheet of Players for all League Competition Matches (including Play Off Matches).

33.11 Club Developed Players. Subject to Regulation 33.12 each Club shall be required to nominate at least one Club Developed Player on their Squad List on each occasion that it is due for submission, or on their Team Sheet of Players for all League Competition Matches (including Play Off Matches). Where any Club does not name a Club Developed Player on the Team Sheet, that Club will only be permitted to name up to six substitutes on that League Team Sheet (rather than the seven as permitted by Regulation 33.4).

Which do you want to discuss ?
 
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Insider said:
Just an additional thought, are you getting mixed up with the Club Developed rule?

Edit to add.
33.8 Home Grown Players. Each Club shall be required to nominate a minimum of seven Home Grown Players on their Team Sheet of Players for all League Competition Matches (including Play Off Matches).

33.11 Club Developed Players. Subject to Regulation 33.12 each Club shall be required to nominate at least one Club Developed Player on their Squad List on each occasion that it is due for submission, or on their Team Sheet of Players for all League Competition Matches (including Play Off Matches). Where any Club does not name a Club Developed Player on the Team Sheet, that Club will only be permitted to name up to six substitutes on that League Team Sheet (rather than the seven as permitted by Regulation 33.4).

Which do you want to discuss ?
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Well done you with your copy and paste

The one that was relevant to the post on Academy players of course ....
 
I can see us getting 7 points out of 9 for next 3 home games
That would be a run of 23 points out of 27 in last 9 home matches I think.
Far too early to be talking of getting rid of Critchley.
 
I cut and paste for your benefit because I'm making a wild guess that you've got them mixed up.
You asked me about homegrown players.
I think probably everyone in our squad, except for Gretarsson, is "homegrown".
If there's something else I'm sorry but I've missed your point.
If you are asking me a different question about "club developed" players again I'm sorry but I've no idea what your point is.
Currently ours is Sims.
 
Chunkylad said:
I idolise him, he is godly even when showing his human side and trying 4-3-3.
It’s all part of preparation for the 4-3-3 revolution which will take us up as Champs next season
I realise I’m being sinful and greedy wanting 4-4-2 and everything now. I will have to flagellate harder to atone.
No wrong can come from him. Resisting is putting your soul at jeopardy.
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🤣
 
Insider said:
I cut and paste for your benefit because I'm making a wild guess that you've got them mixed up.
You asked me about homegrown players.
I think probably everyone in our squad, except for Gretarsson, is "homegrown".
If there's something else I'm sorry but I've missed your point.
If you are asking me a different question about "club developed" players again I'm sorry but I've no idea what your point is.
Currently ours is Sims.
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So Sims has been our CLUB DEVELOPED player for every single match this season?

Well you learn something every day .....
 
Total kop out using a goalie as your homegrown player there never going to be brought on what's Sims played in two seasons one sub appearance when Alnwick got injured.
 
Phil:
A couple of hours ago (7.56) you suggested that I needed to look at the homegrown rule.
If you will kindly explain to me why I need to do that that it will be very helpful to me because I haven't a clue what point you were trying to make.
Thank you.
 
poolseasider said:
Total kop out using a goalie as your homegrown player there never going to be brought on what's Sims played in two seasons one sub appearance when Alnwick got injured.
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Correct but insider seems to be missing the point in spectacular fashion

He's more intent on being proved right on my mistake in calling the club developed rule homegrown

Irony at its finest
 
AmericanTangerine said:
Don't think we should sack Critch now or during the Summer, but he's been backed immensely and is barely doing a better job than Grayson with a style of play that is only slightly better.

He promised free-flowing attacking football, but we really haven't seen that yet.

I have my overall doubts of him, because for how much he's been backed we should be much better off, but I think it's important to give him at least next year to prove himself.
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He didn’t promise any such thing to be fair.
 
Re assess at the end of the season, however, in my view it is plain to see that he is trying far too hard at being junior klopp and not doing his own thing. He needs a settled team and formation instead of trying to out think what the opposition is going to do and changing it every bloody week.
 
Markobfc said:
Re assess at the end of the season, however, in my view it is plain to see that he is trying far too hard at being junior klopp and not doing his own thing. He needs a settled team and formation instead of trying to out think what the opposition is going to do and changing it every bloody week.
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Yep i get that but to be honest Klopp sets up very similar every game and lets teams worry about his team and tactics

Critchley swaps and changes based on what he thinks the opposition are going to do

And thats worrying....
 
Phil.
Let's get some facts straight here.
You ask me about homegrown players and I struggle to understand why.
I copy the definition from the EFL guidelines of homegrown and club developed players to try and clarify what you are talking about.
That prompts a sarcastic comment about cut and pasting. I'm just showing you the regulations ffs.
It then turns out that you are talking about "club developed" players, how stupid am I for not consulting my crystal ball earlier.
I accept telling you Sims is the club developed player was having a (deserved) dig.
As for Sims he's the club's second choice keeper so that's why he's on the bench and he happens to be club developed (and homegrown).
But at the end of this run chase I still don't know the point I'm missing in spectacular fashion so if you can explain that to me I'll follow the advice in your o/p and I will be that man, ie

"It takes a big man to admit he is wrong"
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
So come on Simon, Brett and Ben time to get rid of the tinker man coach Critchley

Big fanfare when he came in almost a year ago about fast exciting 'entertaining' football yet the reality is that Critchley's record is almost the same as Graysons, the football isn't much better either

I posted a thread a couple of days ago highlighting the support Critchley has had from the board and showed examples of our current squad and how strong it looks on paper with options all over the pitch

There really isn't any excuse as Critchley has been given all the tools necessary to build a good consistent team

The problem to me is the stubbornness and his reluctance to play 2 strikers week in week out, the stats show that we win more games than we lose when we play 2 upfront

Yesterday was awful for a number of reasons

Another new formation, that looked defensive on paper with 5 in midfield, it was all about accommodating the new Sunderland lad in a free role behind Yates. He did ok but nothing special considering he was given the freedom to make things happen. We have and have had several other players who could of played that role yet weren't given the chance. Both Kemp and Woodburn have been and gone without being allowed to play in that free role 10 slot that they prefer

Ipswich were bang out of form with several key players missing yet we were impotent

Credit to Critchley for the signing of big Marv he has really improved since the start of the season, but i suppose even a broken clock is right once

Maybe Critchley was brought in the develop players if so move him sideways and get a proper manager in the manage the 1st team

Get rid now to save our season, admit the experiment hasn't worked and kick on

Simon Sadler deserves better
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G'won admit you were wrong big man. :)
 
Hazi said:
G'won admit you were wrong big man. :)
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Poor form Hazi

Check how many posters agreed with the OP a year ago.

Would we have won last night if Critchley had kept the same team with CJ in the form he is in? Coventry were decent but not great ......

Why does he keep changing the players? Does a normal team playing a regular season of football need squad rotation?
 
Seasider3610 said:
Poor form Hazi

Check how many posters agreed with the OP a year ago.

Would we have won last night if Critchley had kept the same team with CJ in the form he is in? Coventry were decent but not great ......

Why does he keep changing the players? Does a normal team playing a regular season of football need squad rotation?
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Whys it poor form? He was clearly wrong... and if he wants to be wrong again he should eat his words and admit it like the big man he thinks critch should be 😁
 
SwannDangerous said:
Whys it poor form? He was clearly wrong... and if he wants to be wrong again he should eat his words and admit it like the big man he thinks critch should be 😁
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It’s poor form.

It’s a messageboard for various opinions that’s why there was/are so many replies to the OP 😉
 
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