poolseasider
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Been discussed on here a few times is he right?
Agreed. Found it quite painful this week. Ended up turning the Comms off.He has a point
He is spot on . Why put someone who has never played at the highest level, when there are so many footballers that have?
Now and again ,you get a diamond in the rock and you do get the odd woman who seems to know and talk well. Yet the only reason that she got the job would be because of this madness of equal opportunities . We are not equal ,but some people don't understand this. Women are better at some things as are men . So why overlook the hundreds of male ex footballers that would make good pundits to end up with a number of poor pundits to find one good one.Taken to its logical conclusion, that would end message board debate very quickly.
The wider issue that bemuses me is how threatened some men on here feel by opinionated and articulate women. You were all very happy to have one around to lead the protests back in the day.
I'm pleased to see you being so upbeat about the entire female sex. They'll be delighted that occasionally they are passing muster.Now and again ,you get a diamond in the rock and you do get the odd woman who seems to know and talk well.
If that's what you want to admit doing when there's a female pundit on . . . well, OKWanker.
Weird interpretation which probably says more about you than me.If that's what you want to admit doing when there's a female pundit on . . . well, OK
Was that the protests you were mushrooming on blobby?Taken to its logical conclusion, that would end message board debate very quickly.
The wider issue that bemuses me is how threatened some men on here feel by opinionated and articulate women. You were all very happy to have one around to lead the protests back in the day.
Ask Mosser. He spoke to me at at least two of them.Was that the protests you were mushrooming on blobby?
He is absolutely spot on, people are just afraid to agree.
There are some women who are good. Bianca Westwood and Laura Woods. But this is mainly cause they have a bit about them aswell
Blokes achieve a good level of camaraderie between them when analysing the football and that’s what a lot of us enjoy watching. Most women don’t contribute to this. It’s awkward and painful to watch and we’re all missing out on the experience.
Karen carney on MNF for example. Ruined. Jill scott on Gary Neville’s ‘stick to football’. Offers nothing. We have lost Gillette soccer Saturday to all of this. It has to stop.
I don’t like Michael Owen, Niall Quinn, steve mc. I hate their commentary. But I’d rather listen to them than a women who has never played the game. I’d rather listen to a women who has good knowledge of the game and a bit about them, but unfortunately there aren’t many in that world.
This is the problem though. People afraid to say what they think, so they don’t speak at all.Won't be a popular post but I think it's a good one.
You’ll remember mocking them I’m sure big boyTaken to its logical conclusion, that would end message board debate very quickly.
The wider issue that bemuses me is how threatened some men on here feel by opinionated and articulate women. You were all very happy to have one around to lead the protests back in the day.
This is the problem though. People afraid to say what they think, so they don’t speak at all.
I don’t like Joey Barton but he’s saying what most blokes are thinking. If I’m paying £100 a month for sky, I don’t want to resent it, which is what’s happening when it’s being forced down my throat.
You forgot Dean Windass ,but I never said that every ex footballer was going to be good at the job . It's still more likely that someone who has done something would know more about it then someone who hasn't.I'm pleased to see you being so upbeat about the entire female sex. They'll be delighted that occasionally they are passing muster.
Let's not have them denying a platform to punditry giants like Martin Keown and Micah Richards though. That would be a tragedy for us all.
You didn't manage to make that category.Wanker.
Or Micah Richards. Breath of fresh air that lad, love watching him and most of them on Sky, real good mix.Nothing wrong with Martin Keown!
Yep. Fully agree on the pundit vs presenter point. It’s something a lot of people miss the point on. A lot of the female presenters are great and produce good debate amongst the pundits.Agree. There is also a fine balance as well between presenting and co-commentary. There are plenty of great women presenters who do that side of things very well and I don't have a problem with this. Gabby Logan, Sue Barker, etc. This is where there should be total equality. It's when it gets to the point where analysis is required either in co-comms or the studio. This isn't about sexism, this is about being good at the job and even some men fall short of this. I've highlighted Clinton Morrison and I will also highlight Dion Dublin who I don't think warrants or is good enough to co-commentate during England matches. I even find Micah Richards painful but he least he brings in some commeradery with the right people with him. What all those people have in common though is that they have played the game at a high level so even though I don't think they are great pundits, you still value their opinion to some degree.
Let's be honest here, the three best shows where you actually listen:
Match of the Day - Lineker, Shearer and Ian Wright. Different type of show as more factual but you listen to them because they know their stuff.
Sky - Neville, Roy Keane, Souness - People will call them dinosaurs but they are debating things like we would in the pub. Great watch.
Soccer Saturday - Similar to the above, doesn't fit the agenda as it was a bunch of old white blokes debating football. It was enjoyable though and does equality really have to brought into it?
You've contradicted yourself by naming women who are good, surely?If there are good women pundits, there is no discussion to be had. There are men who are bad too. Including men who have played the game at the highest level. And some good men who never played. You can't just rule out the contributions of anyone who hasn't played the game. Barton just appears threatened by it, to me. The game is for everyone, and punditry is nmot all about expert analysis either. A lot of women watch football and don't just want male camaeraderie.He is absolutely spot on, people are just afraid to agree.
There are some women who are good. Bianca Westwood and Laura Woods. But this is mainly cause they have a bit about them aswell
Blokes achieve a good level of camaraderie between them when analysing the football and that’s what a lot of us enjoy watching. Most women don’t contribute to this. It’s awkward and painful to watch and we’re all missing out on the experience.
Karen carney on MNF for example. Ruined. Jill scott on Gary Neville’s ‘stick to football’. Offers nothing. We have lost Gillette soccer Saturday to all of this. It has to stop.
I don’t like Michael Owen, Niall Quinn, steve mc. I hate their commentary. But I’d rather listen to them than a women who has never played the game. I’d rather listen to a women who has good knowledge of the game and a bit about them, but unfortunately there aren’t many in that world.
It's not really ironic, it's a commercial decision, I think. A lot of female viewers.Ironic that Sky have brought in women pundits and co-commentators in the name of equality when their female Sports presenting staff is like the contents of a 1998 FHM magazine.
How have I? There are a few women presenters/pundits who are decent. But there’s dozens who are terrible, getting lots of air time, over good male pundits. Because it ticks a box.You've contradicted yourself by naming women who are good, surely?If there are good women pundits, there is no discussion to be had. There are men who are bad too. Including men who have played the game at the highest level. And some good men who never played. You can't just rule out the contributions of anyone who hasn't played the game. Barton just appears threatened by it, to me. The game is for everyone, and punditry is nmot all about expert analysis either. A lot of women watch football and don't just want male camaeraderie.
I agree about Sue Smith. She's very good and knowledgeableSue Smith is absolutely brilliant whenever she is on t.v. but that Lianne Sanderson is absolutely terrible and a total hypocrite after her trip to The World Cup with Talksport
That’s basically where I’m at with all this.Any job should go to the best candidate no matter their gender or ethnicity. Purely my opinion.
i can't believe so many people actually watch all the analysis. generally, i switch the channel as soon as the half/full time whistle has gone.
It's even worse than when they replace a woman who's talented and good at her job with a man who's younger just to appeal to the "Yoof"What I find now is that they are using women pundits purely to be PC - which is pretty annoying
Did she really "lead" the protests? I think not.Taken to its logical conclusion, that would end message board debate very quickly.
The wider issue that bemuses me is how threatened some men on here feel by opinionated and articulate women. You were all very happy to have one around to lead the protests back in the day.
Yep. Fully agree on the pundit vs presenter point. It’s something a lot of people miss the point on. A lot of the female presenters are great and produce good debate amongst the pundits.
Females share this view also by the way. My mrs doesn’t like football but will often pick up on the uncomfortable ‘vibe’ when you have a token female presenter in the studio. Carragher and Neville have great chemistry - why ruin that by sticking Karen Carney in to the mix? What on earth does she offer?
It’s offensive to the females taking these jobs. They don’t see it this way. But imagine being stood in one of these studios on a technicality. It’s degrading.
Joey won the argument last night when Bianca and the lady in the red top started with the nonsensical shouting. There’s no logic behind their opposition to tokenism, it’s just blind passion and a sign of how carried away ‘wokeism’ has become. Worlds absolutely crackers.