Johnson and Sunak fined over lock down parties

Well I`m certainly no fan of the error prone Boris Johnson but the sanctimony of many on here who just can`t wait to dive in boggles belief.

Let he who is without sin caste the first stone comes to mind but obviously not for many on here.
 
Archibald Knox said:
Will they tell us how much they have been fined? Because the amount will indicate whether they are being fined for a single party or multiple occasions. It is thought that Bozo is bang to rights for at least two and possibly three offences.
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He's potentially facing 6 fines, each one doubling up.
 
1950`spoolfan said:
Well I`m certainly no fan of the error prone Boris Johnson but the sanctimony of many on here who just can`t wait to dive in boggles belief.

Let he who is without sin caste the first stone comes to mind but obviously not for many on here.
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50's, I have a lot of respect for you, we have politely argued over the years, but are you really defending a Prime Minister who has now been proven to lie to Parliament? I'm sure your sense of decency is as horrified by this as mine. Many of us, including I suspect yourself, led a pretty lonely existence for a long period, to protect each other. Actions must have consequences.
 
gjr69 said:
Before they jump in to defend, people need to remember that the rest of us couldn't see sick friends and relatives and funerals were scaled down to very small, sterile events while Johnson and colleagues bent and broke the laws they implemented.
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99% of posters wanted these daft laws though. Clamoured and begged for them. Shouted down and abused anyone who argued against them. Pfeffel just indulged these people too much - for which he deserves much more than a fine. I reckon under the same amount of scrutiny, 99% of people on here would've got a FPN.
 
rockontommy said:
99% of posters wanted these daft laws though. Clamoured and begged for them. Shouted down and abused anyone who argued against them. Pfeffel just indulged these people too much - for which he deserves much more than a fine. I reckon under the same amount of scrutiny, 99% of people on here would've got a FPN.
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That's an interesting point in itself. How does it take 2 separate enquiries to establish where the fuck a man who is under 24 hour guard, scrutiny, protection etc was?

Why?
 
rockontommy said:
99% of posters wanted these daft laws though. Clamoured and begged for them. Shouted down and abused anyone who argued against them. Pfeffel just indulged these people too much - for which he deserves much more than a fine. I reckon under the same amount of scrutiny, 99% of people on here would've got a FPN.
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What bollocks - most people followed the rules and weren't holding parties/social gatherings/etc willy nilly.
 
rockontommy said:
99% of posters wanted these daft laws though. Clamoured and begged for them. Shouted down and abused anyone who argued against them. Pfeffel just indulged these people too much - for which he deserves much more than a fine. I reckon under the same amount of scrutiny, 99% of people on here would've got a FPN.
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Probably right to some extent, but Johnson & Co were obliged to uphold the highest standards and they failed miserably, in fact they didn't even really try. They exude superiority and entitlement and actually exposed their own rules for the massive over reaction that they were.
 
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bollieboy said:
What bollocks - most people followed the rules and weren't holding parties/social gatherings/etc willy nilly.
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There were that many shit laws and regs, everyone leading any sort of normal life would've fallen foul of them. I remember one particularly pious poster telling us about jumping on the bus to visit his favourite butchers in a separate part of South London. That was during L.1 when transgressions were seen as a bit naughty rather than a blasphemous heinous crime against humanity.

I am pretty sure at the start, the police openly said they wouldn't be enforcing a lot of this shit. It was only when the nonsense continued and the restlessness grew, did the chin wobblers demand greater enforcement. I'm not excusing the fat ** because I despise him for how he's handled this pandemic - a how not to manage a pandemic if you will. Hysteria, divisiveness, Scapegoating. All fly in the face of centuries of pandemic and disaster management. Anyway, I digress. The fat fucker has got a slap on the wrist and that is good but he deserves so so much more.
 
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Tangerinemoss said:
50's, I have a lot of respect for you, we have politely argued over the years, but are you really defending a Prime Minister who has now been proven to lie to Parliament? I'm sure your sense of decency is as horrified by this as mine. Many of us, including I suspect yourself, led a pretty lonely existence for a long period, to protect each other. Actions must have consequences.
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Nice to exchange views again and our respect for each others views is certainly mutual Mossy.

I understand where you are coming from and no I`m not defending the PM who disappoints in so many ways with unacceptable standards below those you would hope for from this country`s leader but there seem to be so many plaster saints on here who seem to emit a distinct whiff of hypocrisy with no appreciation of their own comparative fallibility and shortcomings whilst lightening quick to pounce on the failings of others, especially if those others are from the other side of the political spectrum.
 
gjr69 said:
Probably right to some extent, but Johnson & Co were obliged to uphold the highest standards and they failed miserably, in fact they didn't even really tried. They exude superiority and entitlement and actually exposed their own rules for the massive over reaction that they were.
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Spot on. And the resident board lefties were oblivious to it/cheering it on.
 
rockontommy said:
99% of posters wanted these daft laws though. Clamoured and begged for them. Shouted down and abused anyone who argued against them. Pfeffel just indulged these people too much - for which he deserves much more than a fine. I reckon under the same amount of scrutiny, 99% of people on here would've got a FPN.
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Hey!! Are you Michael Fabricant?
 
Lost Seasider said:
Reasonable excuse defence, and it sounds like describing it as "a party" is stretching the facts.

He didn't know in advance, it would not have been reasonable in the circumstances to immediately walk out, and he was acting in his capacity as prime minister.
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If a party can be organised while he's in the same house without him knowing then what chance do we have against Putin?
 
td53 said:
To the best of his knowledge he didn't know if he was at a party that previously had definitely not happened until it turned out it might have done and naturally, that was checked by

a) Sue Gray
b) the met

Once Sue Gray told him he was at a party he still couldn't say because the met hadn't finished checking.

Hopefully that's clear and we can all move on knowing the Boris is a transparent and open fellow.
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Sorry td53, I'd skimmed past your monicker and was beginning to think this was a serious post by LostSeasider.
 
1950`spoolfan said:
Well I`m certainly no fan of the error prone Boris Johnson but the sanctimony of many on here who just can`t wait to dive in boggles belief.

Let he who is without sin caste the first stone comes to mind but obviously not for many on here.
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Give over. If there's been one person bragging himself to pieces and daring us to find him out it's been Johnson. He deserves the biggest fall since Marie Antoinette's head fell into a basket.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Oh aye, not once did I criticise or throw any doubt on the government.
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It's hard to remember specific posters and their individual views at exact times unless they were particularly zealous. I do remember clearly though, a time where criticising da rulez would easily get me 15+ negative responses in a very short space of time. It was raining notifications.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Three in the late 30s, Baldwin, Chamberlain and Churchill, but there was a war or something that removed Chamberlain and Churchill was more a coalition in reality.

FOUR from 51-64, Churchill, Eden, Macmillan, Douglas-Holme is the current record.
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Correct about the 4. The earlier 3 is wrong because Churchill headed up a national govt.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Give over. If there's been one person bragging himself to pieces and daring us to find him out it's been Johnson. He deserves the biggest fall since Marie Antoinette's head fell into a basket.
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So do you think beheading is the appropriate punishment to fit this crime and on that basis are you sure you have led such a blameless life that we shouldn`t be demanding a similar fate for you.

If not I am happy to find a basket.
 
td53 said:
Is it beyond unreasonable to suggest that a magistrate might say:

"Whilst I could accept that as the Prime Minister you were busy and maybe even caught unawares by the party, the fact you yourself had legislated against parties and the police force you yourself instructed to prevent such gatherings were active in doing so at this time, means it stretches credulity to believe that upon entering an event that bore the hallmarks of a party and played no role in your official duties of that period, you chose to remain at the party for any period of time at all."

Why is my job not writing shit dialogue for TV?
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Because you're a better writer than that.
 
I’ll say this one again just so a few more can hopefully try and take it in.

With all the data available to them from all their scientists including SAGE et al and after Johnson had himself been ‘apparently’ in ICU, they still broke the rules and quite clearly weren’t arsed about the virus. They probably assessed the risks, looked at the recovery rates and thought like a few on here did, however that viewpoint caused uproar on here. “Selfish, reckless, granny killer!”… you have to laugh.

It’s not even up for debate, they were frightening the nation and partying. They were not scared! Their focus was just wanting the the rest of the nation to be scared.

“Look him in the eyes and tell them it’s worth seeing a friend”. Blah shit blah.

Disgusting propaganda and manipulation that has still got people scared even now.
 
1950`spoolfan said:
So do you think beheading is the appropriate punishment to fit this crime and on that basis are you sure you have led such a blameless life that we shouldn`t be demanding a similar fate for you.

If not I am happy to find a basket.
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Do I not think?...hmm, yes I do. Jury's out on you though.
 
Boris says no to resigning and that no he has never heard of avftt but will have a jab against it just in case.😮
 
Adams Kebab said:
I’ll say this one again just so a few more can hopefully try and take it in.

With all the data available to them from all their scientists including SAGE et al and after Johnson had himself been ‘apparently’ in ICU, they still broke the rules and quite clearly weren’t arsed about the virus. They probably assessed the risks, looked at the recovery rates and thought like a few on here did, however that viewpoint caused uproar on here. “Selfish, reckless, granny killer!”… you have to laugh.

It’s not even up for debate, they were frightening the nation and partying. They were not scared! Their focus was just wanting the the rest of the nation to be scared.

“Look him in the eyes and tell them it’s worth seeing a friend”. Blah shit blah.

Disgusting propaganda and manipulation that has still got people scared even now.
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Yes and everyone in ICU was an actor.
 
Since1967 said:
It ain't over yet. The Times reports that Boris has had one penalty notice however decisions have not yet been made about four other events he attended. He could end up with a fistful of tickets
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"A Fistful of tickets" a Spaghetti western starring Benny Hill as Boris Bandido Johnson and ** Eastwood as Kier Starmer the nameless dung slinger, Co starring an oil slick as Richie the American, no Indian, no English Sunak. Coming soon to a cinema near you!!
 
Bloodtangerine said:
A lot of Politicians would take the easy way out and resign over this but Bojo appears to have the strength to continue. You have to admire his courage even if you’re not his biggest fan.
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Sorry Blood. I think it's more a case of having the brass neck to continue. As for courage, there's a big hole in his dictionary where that word would normally reside. Somewhere between Convict and Custody.
 
Memphisboy said:
It wasn’t a party as we all know. It’s his house and workplace, get a grip. Did no one working in schools hospitals offices never have a chat and a slice of cake?
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No, but I would've been up for one if my colleagues weren't such massive bedwetters. Of course, they all came into work with (at various times) freshly cut hair, family, stories of weekend antics and even the 'Vids itself. I'm pretty sure the teachers fucked things off altogether blaming the kids, or vulnerable colleagues or whatnot, so could party at home.
 
Memphisboy said:
It wasn’t a party as we all know. It’s his house and workplace, get a grip. Did no one working in schools hospitals offices never have a chat and a slice of cake?
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Do you know which one he has so far been fined for? I remember the NHS office I worked in having to be socially distanced, with staff having to take turns at working from home to help us all stay socially distanced. I never recall anyone sending round an e-mail inviting us to bring our own booze to a works do. Neither do I recall a Karaoke machine being brought in to an office where social distancing was ignored and guests drank heavily.
I also don't think you believe that either so stop posting bollocks for the sake of it.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Sorry Blood. I think it's more a case of having the brass neck to continue. As for courage, there's a big hole in his dictionary where that word would normally reside. Somewhere between Convict and Custody.
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You’re not very bright are you sometimes mate…..take a pause, stop being obsessed about politics and then…..

re read my comment……does it read as serious to you??

I was clearly making a joke
 
rockontommy said:
99% of posters wanted these daft laws though. Clamoured and begged for them. Shouted down and abused anyone who argued against them. Pfeffel just indulged these people too much - for which he deserves much more than a fine. I reckon under the same amount of scrutiny, 99% of people on here would've got a FPN.
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I will put my head above the parapet now to say I obeyed the rules.
 
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