"Journalism" in this country

Bizarre really. I'm a staunch remainer and have travelled the length and breadth of the country. I've not had a foreign holiday in nearly 10 years and was meant to be off to the isle of Arran today.
My brexit parents had three foreign trips last year been all over the world, cruises galore and hardly been anywhere in this country . How does this kind of crap pass for journalism and how do people lap it up?
 
Its the entitled baby boomers scared of a little pandemic that are the problem, not the kids.
 
Shandypants said:
Bizarre really. I'm a staunch remainer and have travelled the length and breadth of the country. I've not had a foreign holiday in nearly 10 years and was meant to be off to the isle of Arran today.
My brexit parents had three foreign trips last year been all over the world, cruises galore and hardly been anywhere in this country . How does this kind of crap pass for journalism and how do people lap it up?
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One of my kids has just finished at a Northern Uni and there is a grain of truth in that piece in that nowadays they are full of niaive kids from the South East. TBH I didn't find the article too offensive, it is the sort of thing that I would expect to see in the Sun and every newspaper has an agenda and will usually the confirm the prejudices of the readers. I'm not sure on the Brexit angle / link though, the vote was close everywhere in the country (60/40 is fairly close IMO, just as it was in Brexit supporting places). I'd be interested to know why that article in particular has rattled your cage shandy. There is probably something similar in there every day.
 
Ha ha ha Like I said to Lytham on another thread, the press are rotten.
 
It's an opinion section which all newspapers, TV, Radio etc have so don't see the issue pick up a copy of any of the dailys today and there will be someone writing shite.
 
Spot on ps. It's click bait. Designed to make you froth at the mouth. Problem is, there's huge swathes of the populace that read it and form their own opinion from it.
 
It's not journalism, as I understand it. It's just writing based upon a poorly researched opinion that she plucked out of the air and then ran with, because they had a deadline approaching and Any Old Shite would do.
 
Shandypants said:
Bizarre really. I'm a staunch remainer and have travelled the length and breadth of the country. I've not had a foreign holiday in nearly 10 years and was meant to be off to the isle of Arran today.
My brexit parents had three foreign trips last year been all over the world, cruises galore and hardly been anywhere in this country . How does this kind of crap pass for journalism and how do people lap it up?
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Cos jingoism/patriotism (depending on your perspective)
 
Based on a premise that Remainers see Britain as a 'backward grisly place'. Where on earth has that conflation come from?

I voted Remain but I still think this country is a world leader on many things.

Idiotic nonsense. The one thing Scousers get right is boycotting this rag (and yes, I know it's for different reasons, but it makes it an easy choice)
 
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Old_Laytonian said:
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That's bollocks and attacks the rights of free press, I can't stand Morgan and the rest but the very bones of a democracy insist they're allowed to question.

We've lost so much during this time, let's not lose our fundamental constitutional rights and demand we applaud every decision.
 
Shandypants said:
Bizarre really. I'm a staunch remainer and have travelled the length and breadth of the country. I've not had a foreign holiday in nearly 10 years and was meant to be off to the isle of Arran today.
My brexit parents had three foreign trips last year been all over the world, cruises galore and hardly been anywhere in this country . How does this kind of crap pass for journalism and how do people lap it up?
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It's clickbait to goad Remainers. 🤭

I've already had one foreign holiday this year, very nice it was too!😁 👍🏻
 
I dont think the press have come out of this looking good at all. I think many are searching for extra news, quotes & any old shite to put out headlines.
Freedom of the press is obviously incredibly important. Crass questions and click bait articles are not.
 
deary said:
I dont think the press have come out of this looking good at all. I think many are searching for extra news, quotes & any old shite to put out headlines.
Freedom of the press is obviously incredibly important. Crass questions and click bait articles are not.
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It's staggering just how ill prepared many journalists have been. At the daily briefing they frequently ask a question to something that has literally just been spoken about. Obviously working to a script and not listening to what has been said.
 
Wizaard said:
It's staggering just how ill prepared many journalists have been. At the daily briefing they frequently ask a question to something that has literally just been spoken about. Obviously working to a script and not listening to what has been said.
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Yes perhaps if they dont have the brain capacity to realise this they all need to get together and decide who asks what beforehand? Or at least have a few questions prepared so if one has been pretty much covered already they can get info on something else.
I certainly dont want vetted Qs but as you say better prep from the journos is not a big ask.
You would think they would at least make an effort.
 
deary said:
Ok i get that tcertainly o an extent regarding what they write but they could still ask better fkin questions! 😝
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Haven't watched any briefings recently but when I did watch them I always thought the govt guy, CSO and CMA were aware of each question to be asked and by whom. They seemed well prepared for it. So many questions were similar and easy to deal with.
 
20togo said:
Haven't watched any briefings recently but when I did watch them I always thought the govt guy, CSO and CMA were aware of each question to be asked and by whom. They seemed well prepared for it. So many questions were similar and easy to deal with.
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That will be knowing the brief and anticipating the obvious questions. Not sure it's down to reading the questions in advance, although now they're taking them from the public, who have submitted them in advance , maybe that's changed and someone is vetting those.
 
There's a cintilla of reasonable comment in the article: too many young people are ill-informed about our country as a whole (the UK), and routinely and lazily don't experience enough of it. I think there was a worthwhile article in the making at that point: bring in the economic North/South divide; the vast cultural differences between the haves and have-nots; the feeling among many well-educated youngsters that they don't need to know about anything outside of their own orbit.
But then the writer goes off on an anti-EU rant that has no realistic connection with these earlier points outside of her Editor's need for a Sun political slant. At that point the article became so much chip paper.
 
Shandypants said:
Bizarre really. I'm a staunch remainer and have travelled the length and breadth of the country. I've not had a foreign holiday in nearly 10 years and was meant to be off to the isle of Arran today.
My brexit parents had three foreign trips last year been all over the world, cruises galore and hardly been anywhere in this country . How does this kind of crap pass for journalism and how do people lap it up?
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I wouldn't describe myself as 'staunch' - more 'ambivalent' tbh but I did vote remain and I've been abroad twice in my adult life (and 4 times as a kid) - I treasure my locality, I love Lancashire deeply and spend as much time as I can exploring the north, Scotland, Wales, the South West and so on. I really haven't consciously chosen to not go abroad, I just really like the UK and there's thousands of places I'd like to go. I seem to recall on the old board the slightly ironic spectacle of some people celebrating Brexit from a bar in Portugal or somewhere - each to their own, but the notion of remain = hating Britain is just a made up one.

It's just trolling. It's an opinion piece. I find opinion pieces in the Graun just as annoying.

'Why no one thinks of Transgender people in Cambodian pop up cafes!' type stuff that bares no resemblance to the way 99% of people live and think and is clearly just designed so it gets shared (and clicked on) by people going 'what the fuck is the Guardian on about now!'

It's a model of journalism which involves writing a stupid and contentious piece then watching everyone rage about it. It comes from the need to create clickbait and we're sort of all to blame for it, because we expect our news for free and therefore clickbait rules. The way papers blame social media for the decline in news standards is completely disingenuous because they all write this sort of troll piece explicitly designed to get shared on it!
 
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