Klopp better than Ferguson?

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Being discussed on the radio this morning .. get the feeling the questions as set by a Liverpudlian desperate to inflict another hammer blow on the ailing United fans!
 
Macseasider said:
This can only be sensibly discussed in 15 years time.
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Correct. Klopp is a great manager but he's a long way to go to surpass Fergusons record. And tbh, I doubt he'll be round long enough to challenge SAF 's achievements. I'll say this though, Klopp is all smiles and glowing in his praise of his opponents when Liverpool have beaten them. Not so much, when teams don't roll over and play the way he wants them to in order to give them 3 points.
 
Klopp is the best manager in world football today, I don’t think you can really compare from other eras is he better than Shankly? Who knows really, but he is the best out there today. If they beat city to the title I think Pep will be out of a job.
 
Paisley would have been better than Fergie, had he stayed on. His record was ridiculous!

Coulda, woulda, shoulda.

In response to the O/P, I doubt anyone will last 26 years at a club again. Klopp is a fantastic manager but he won't eclipse Fergie.

That said he can equal how many European Cups Fergie won in 26 years next week.
 
Ferguson for me
Broke the Celtic Rangers run with Aberdeen
I doubt at United he had the financial backing to the degree Klopp has.

Not a fan of either men
 
Davepick said:
You can't compare the two'
Fergie didn't have unlimited funds like Jurgen has.
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Surely the opposite, Fergie could outspend everyone in the PL for the first 10 years of the PL, even when Abramovic turned up they were still competitive.

In contrast, Liverpool have spent less than half of what both Manchester clubs have each spent in the last 5 years, less than Chelsea, Villa, Everton, Newcastle, Tottenham, and only marginally more than West Ham, Wolves and even the mighty Brighton.
 
LimerickTangerine said:
Ferguson for me
Broke the Celtic Rangers run with Aberdeen
I doubt at United he had the financial backing to the degree Klopp has.

Not a fan of either men
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I like Klopp a lot, but the sheer length of time involved with Fergie is unrivalled. The fact he had to rebuild his team about 4 times is incredible.

Klopp does do something similar in Germany with Dortmund. Back to back titles, a cup, and a champions league final is impressive with Dortmund's resources and standing at that time. Bayern are the old firm combined into one team.

Financially, I do think you are somewhat wrong. £18m for Ferdinand in 2000 (Liverpool buy Henchoz for £4m the same season) and £28m for Veron on '01 were astronomical fees at the time. Once Abramovich's Chelsea really kick on from about 2004, he has one team spending more, but from 94 to 04, no-one is outspending United.

Liverpool have mostly had to buy to sell, and are bottom half of the league in terms of net spend during his tenure.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Surely the opposite, Fergie could outspend everyone in the PL for the first 10 years of the PL, even when Abramovic turned up they were still competitive.

In contrast, Liverpool have spent less than half of what both Manchester clubs have each spent in the last 5 years, less than Chelsea, Villa, Everton, Newcastle, Tottenham, and only marginally more than West Ham, Wolves and even the mighty Brighton.
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Fourth highest wage bill though.
 
Was gunna argue the case on United spending far far more than any other team during his tenure but it’s already been argued……so I’ll just go with Ferguson was totally un likeable and a lot of his team were too. League appears much more competitive now as well, can’t help but prefer Klopp
 
Davepick said:
You can't compare the two'
Fergie didn't have unlimited funds like Jurgen has.
Also completely different styles of management.
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I think you've mistaken Klopp for Guardiola Dave. Klopp has spent a reasonable amount of money but as far as I'm aware he has spent within the FFP rules. He sold Couthinio for big money and bought Van Dijk, Allison and Fabinho with the proceeds. I remember seeing a net spend table for the Prem about 3 years ago and Liverpool were below Bournemouth!
And United spent big money in Fergie's era. Remember a then record fee for Rio Ferdinand.
In answer to the o/p I don't think you can compare the two as I doubt Klopp will last 26 years. Both great managers but you'd have to say Fergie was the best as he did it over such a long period of time.
 
Let’s not forget how Man Utd cheated their way to the title on numerous occasions they were favoured by referees during Fergusons tenure loads of dodgy decisions and “fergie time” which seemed to be accepted as normal during that time. Anyone remember varney getting wiped out at Bloomfield road? It stank of corruption and we had it rammed down our throats for the best part of 20 years. I don’t really like them if I’m honest but I do like Klopp he’s a nice bloke, and gurdiola they’ve been fantastic for the premier league.
 
His (Klopp) teams play better football and more entertaining but Ferguson was a better motivator.
 
Memphisboy said:
Guardiola better than them both.
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Id put Mourinho above Guardiola to be honest. No argument on who's teams play the best football but when you look where they started from in that Mourinho was nothing more than a translator while Guardiola had it all handed to him on a plate. Mourinho won the Champions League with Porto, Guardiola wouldn't have took that job in a million years. Until he takes a job that he's not got a massive advantage over 90 odd per cent of opponents then there's always a question mark.
 
I like Klopp, he's suited to Liverpool in the same way Ollie was to us.

He's doing brilliantly as well; his teams are fantastic to watch.

He could probably continue to win things for as long as he's at Liverpool; the question is, will he move?

Fergie won everything and with Aberdeen won a European trophy v Real Madrid which was as big a win then as it would be now.

Both brilliant Managers, but I think Fergie is still top dog.
 
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TSSeasider said:
I like Klopp, he's suited to Liverpool in the same way Ollie was to us.

He's doing brilliantly as well; his teams area fantastic to watch.

He could probably continue to win things for as long as he's at Liverpool; the question is, will he move?

Fergie won everything and with Aberdeen won a European trophy v Real Madrid which was as big a win then as it would be now.

Both brilliant Managers, but I think Fergie is still top dog.
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As you say he's a perfect fit for that club, it's got the feel that he'll be there for a long time, maybe even his last job. . In saying that it only takes an incident Or a bad run of games and things can change quickly in football.
 
PNENIL said:
As you say he's a perfect fit for that club, it's got the feel that he'll be there for a long time, maybe even his last job. . In saying that it only takes an incident Or a bad run of games and things can change quickly in football.
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He appears too clever to make a stupid mistake you'd hope that he's bought a bit of goodwill from LFC top brass.

If he stays as long as Liverpool as Fergie did at United, he will probably catch up the trophy count.

I really dislike Liverpool, but if you can't appreciate his talent, you're not a football fan
 
Klopp seems like a decent man, Ferguson always came across a nasty spiteful **.

But in terms of career, no, obviously.
 
He's just as one eyed as old bacon face when it comes to protecting all things Red. I don't like that because his opinion has real weight. Great motivational manager though. Also, he's done the choppers, then the eyes. What's next, dare we ask? 😗
 
20togo said:
Correct. Klopp is a great manager but he's a long way to go to surpass Fergusons record. And tbh, I doubt he'll be round long enough to challenge SAF 's achievements. I'll say this though, Klopp is all smiles and glowing in his praise of his opponents when Liverpool have beaten them. Not so much, when teams don't roll over and play the way he wants them to in order to give them 3 points.
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Spot on
 
Liverpool the team are great to watch with some fantastic players and that's what matters. But a large percentage of their fan base are arseholes and much worse.
 
Klopp has a very long way to go before he will be able to emulate, never mind surpass, Ferguson's achievements. I'm unsure, though, as to the relevance to this discussion of the Liverpool fans' perceived character. It seems somewhat tangential. Should we respond by discrediting Man Utd supporters and continuing in that vein? Odd.
 
20togo said:
Liverpool the team are great to watch with some fantastic players and that's what matters. But a large percentage of their fan base are arseholes and much worse.
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I'd disagree. A minority of their fanbase are arseholes. Just like most other fan bases. We have our share of arse holes at Blackpool.
But I wouldn't expect any other opinion from yourself or Blood given your love in with Spurs and Man U respectively. 😉
 
20togo said:
Liverpool the team are great to watch with some fantastic players and that's what matters. But a large percentage of their fan base are arseholes and much worse.
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They weren't arseholes when they clapped Ronaldo's 7th minute applause and sang YNWA. That was for the club they despise the most and probably one of the players they hate the most too

Every club has an element of tossers, including Blackpool and Spurs
 
And of course we could mention Man City fan's chanting and booing during the minutes silence for Hilsborough, which had to be cut short by the referee. Every club has a moronic element and it's share of arseholes.
 
Lewis_Winthorpe said:
They weren't arseholes when they clapped Ronaldo's 7th minute applause and sang YNWA. That was for the club they despise the most and probably one of the players they hate the most too

Every club has an element of tossers, including Blackpool and Spurs
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true, it just that Liverpool have more
 
anyway, back to Klopp. Just seen the team he's put out tonight. Seems to be taking a helluva risk and potentially conceding the title to City.
 
20togo said:
true, it just that Liverpool have more
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All clubs have idiots and you saying they have more means nothing. It's not something you can measure is it?
I've no axe to grind either way but I've always thought they can be pretty sporting at times whether it's the Ronaldo thing , clapping opposition goalkeepers at the Kop end and I particularly remember them staying behind at the end to clap Spurs and Klinsmann off after losing late on in the fa cup at Anfield. Remember that?It would never have happened at White Hart Lane.
 
well done to Liverpool. Klopp rested a load of players but he's got the result to take the title down to the final game of the season. Who'd have thought it just a few months ago.
 
20togo said:
well done to Liverpool. Klopp rested a load of players but he's got the result to take the title down to the final game of the season. Who'd have thought it just a few months ago.
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I don't think he had much choice. They have played twice a week since the last international break, looked knackered against spurs and villa, and went 120 minutes on Saturday.

No way do city slip against villa, but you've got to at least put them in that position.

All 4 still theoretically possible going into the last two games. Pretty impressive even if results have been unconvincing for the last 3 weeks or so.
 
PNENIL said:
All clubs have idiots and you saying they have more means nothing. It's not something you can measure is it?
I've no axe to grind either way but I've always thought they can be pretty sporting at times whether it's the Ronaldo thing , clapping opposition goalkeepers at the Kop end and I particularly remember them staying behind at the end to clap Spurs and Klinsmann off after losing late on in the fa cup at Anfield. Remember that?It would never have happened at White Hart Lane.
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I’ve always said they know their football and appreciate a side that comes to Anfield and gives them a game. Remember going there in the 70/71 season when we drew 2-2 and they clapped us off the pitch, a very knowledgeable bunch of fans, but obviously like all clubs some idiots as well.
 
PNENIL said:
All clubs have idiots and you saying they have more means nothing. It's not something you can measure is it?
I've no axe to grind either way but I've always thought they can be pretty sporting at times whether it's the Ronaldo thing , clapping opposition goalkeepers at the Kop end and I particularly remember them staying behind at the end to clap Spurs and Klinsmann off after losing late on in the fa cup at Anfield. Remember that?It would never have happened at White Hart Lane.
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Don’t forget the way they clapped us at anfield when we beat them, in general I think they are one of the best set of supporters in the PL
 
This thread was initiated as an interesting discussion about the relative merits of Klopp and Fergie. It then degenerated into a totally irrelevant squabble about what arseholes Liverpool's fans are said to be, which is dealt with on another thread, anyway. How did that happen?
 
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