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What's yr thoughts on it?
From someone who thinks Putin is right to invade Nazi loving Ukraine.I think it's terrific we've got the 8342nd thread on knee taking.
Just out of curiosity, how many times have you heard or seen racist behaviour at Bloomfield road this season ?It’s to highlight racism in sport and society in general.
Keep it up, no reason to stop as the racism is still everywhere.
I think that’s missing the wider point of taking the knee, but someone was recently banned for making racist comments at a Blackpool game last season.Just out of curiosity, how many times have you heard or seen racist behaviour at Bloomfield road this season ?
Unfortunately the dicks in front of us in the north stand. Anyway that is missing the point.Just out of curiosity, how many times have you heard or seen racist behaviour at Bloomfield road this season ?
No there was an allegation that was never proved.I think that’s missing the wider point of taking the knee, but someone was recently banned for making racist comments at a Blackpool game last season.
Just out of curiosity, how many times have you heard or seen racist behaviour at Bloomfield road this season ?
As soon as the word racism is used, all sensible argument goes straight out of the window.
The killing recently in the USA, where this knee taking came from, of the black motorist by five black policemen has by some been classed as racist! Why? because it has been said if he had been a white motorist it would not have happened.
My opinion is knee taking has served its purpose, it has made people aware of racism, which does exist, but it is 'so yesterday'. Education is the best way to counter this problem. Knee taking is starting to divide IMHO.
No there was an allegation that was never proved.
And there’s many mixed race teams of young sportsmen and sportswomen who don’t take the knee. They clearly don’t think it’s a useful gesture.The team, collectively, agreed to do it and are continuing to do it. The team made up of young lads, of different races, religions and backgrounds who will actually have experience of being that race, religion and background and will likely have experienced some of the racism and bigotry at some point in their life / career.
Yet some on here (which will likely be older, white men from a town with an overwhelming majority white population) are the ones with issue with it…
I know who I think are in the best place to determine if it’s needed, justified or whether it should continue.
And ours do. And it’s up to them. Not all experiences are shared. Everyone is individual. Therefore the response from every team will be individual too. And that should be respected by the fans.And there’s many mixed race teams of young sportsmen and sportswomen who don’t take the knee. They clearly don’t think it’s a useful gesture.
Exactly. My point was it’s not just older white men that don’t agree with the gesture.And ours do. And it’s up to them. Not all experiences are shared. Everyone is individual. Therefore the response from every team will be individual too. And that should be respected by the fans.
Feel free to write to the club and tell the players they are tokenists. It's they who don’t seem to have a problem with it.Pointless tokenism but if it makes people feel better to think it is still doing some good then what’s the harm in it.
And my point was those whinging in here are in no position whatsoever to dictate to our players given that the vast majority have absolutely zero comprehension of what it is to be a young person fron a minority background and living and working in the UKExactly. My point was it’s not just older white men that don’t agree with the gesture.
Symbolic gestures - for that is what you are referring to - are never pointless. They are simple, visual methods of conveying a message to a mass audience.Pointless tokenism but if it makes people feel better to think it is still doing some good then what’s the harm in it.
Whatever floats their boat as I said but it seems to me that this has become something nobody takes any notice of anymore.Symbolic gestures - for that is what you are referring to - are never pointless. They are simple, visual methods of conveying a message to a mass audience.
One person was racist so we all need to be reminded about racism. A bit disproportionate I’d say.
As you will see from my comment I don’t see any harm in it so why would I write. I still think it is tokenism.Feel free to write to the club and tell the players they are tokenists. It's they who don’t seem to have a problem with it.
Sick of hearing it again and again on here.
Nobody takes any notice, yet so many people seem to have a problem with it ...Whatever floats their boat as I said but it seems to me that this has become something nobody takes any notice of anymore.
I don’t. Just don’t think it achieves anything.Nobody takes any notice, yet so many people seem to have a problem with it ...
It’s called logic. Sorry if it hurts your head.The level of mental gymnastics it must take to arrive at this conclusion is genuinely impressive.
No one is getting upset other than you over an avftt discussion it seems. It’s not a taboo subject. If you aren’t emotionally mature enough to see opinions that differ to yours then perhaps stay off here as an alternative to childish sniping.Anyone who gets upset at a few players taking 2 seconds to express support for an important cause needs to get a grip IMO.
My opinion is that racism is a global problem within football, sport and wider society. I would say that is inarguable (although you may try). Taking the knee is a quick, simple and inoffensive way for footballers to demonstrate that they oppose racism. It also uses the platform of the most popular sport in the world to spread the anti-racism message, which I think is a good thing.Feel free to share yours rather than snipe. Let’s see your wonderful analysis.
Someone asked when the last time was there’d been racism at Bloomfield Road. This example was cited as apparent justification for the need to carry on with with the knee taking symbolism.
It’s not about enduring it. That’s the wrong way to frame it. Some sportspeople do it. Some don’t. We see it and we make an observation and discuss what the point is and whether it’s adding anything to the fight against racism and other forms of discrimination. It isn’t doing any harm and it might be of some benefit, but it’s very debatable about whether it’s run it’s course or not.My opinion is that racism is a global problem within football, sport and wider society. I would say that is inarguable (although you may try). Taking the knee is a quick, simple and inoffensive way for footballers to demonstrate that they oppose racism. It also uses the platform of the most popular sport in the world to spread the anti-racism message, which I think is a good thing.
Interesting way of framing my response. I provided the answer without ever using it to justify taking the knee, in fact I actually commented that the question was missing the point of taking the knee.
Will taking the knee "solve" racism? Obviously not, but it sends a message of unity and togetherness in support of a common goal. It also negatively impacts absolutely no one, so what's the harm in doing it even if it has zero impact? Even if the only impact was to make one person think twice about shouting something, writing a tweet, or simply reading up on it, is worth it.
Is Bloomfield Road the right audience? Yes. A message this important is for everyone's audience. If you're bored of it or don't like it, just ignore it. Is it that much of an inconvenience to you? If you think a two second knee is bad at the start of the game, imagine how Rashford, Sancho and Saka felt when they received thousands of racist messages after the Euros, maybe enduring Chris Maxwell kneeling for a moment isn't too bad after all.
Fair play @Malced, I can't disagree too much with what you have put there. People are entitled to their opinions and debate is healthy .