Liz Truss

Matesrates said:
Let’s see how she performs, it’s going to be tough for anyone, so if she does the job half decently, she’ll have done ok. Condemning her before she’s had a chance is reminiscent of Appletons appointment.
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If Michael Appleton said something I fundamentally disagree with to the point it's almost offensive, like for instance 'Im going to play Grimshaw up front and stick Dougall in goal' I'd criticise him just like I criticise Truss for saying farmers making money from solar panels is the saddest thing she can think of, or we focus too much on redistribution and she wants to give money back to the super rich when inequality is at its worst in generations
 
foggy said:
If Michael Appleton said something I fundamentally disagree with to the point it's almost offensive, like for instance 'Im going to play Grimshaw up front and stick Dougall in goal' I'd criticise him just like I criticise Truss for saying farmers making money from solar panels is the saddest thing she can think of, or we focus too much on redistribution and she wants to give money back to the super rich when inequality is at its worst in generations
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I know, but as I said, she isn’t in the job yet, so we don’t know for sure what she’s going to do.
 
Matesrates said:
I know, but as I said, she isn’t in the job yet, so we don’t know for sure what she’s going to do.
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If she has a epiphany on the road to demascus and does a complete u-turn on everything I dislike about her I will come on here and say wow, Liz Truss completely reinvented herself and she's the best PM we've had in my lifetime. I never knew we'd have a socialist as Tory leader but here we are.

Until that unlikely moment happens, I'm going to have opinions on the things she says she believes in and wants to do, as I would expect everyone else to have.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
Then I bow to your better judgement. However, I'd still rather see how someone performs on the job until I form an opinion.
And we'll have our chance to judge between now and the next election and vote accordingly. It won't be too far away.
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I see whole new world of human relationships unfolding before my eyes.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
We can criticise her plans which are in the public domain, this does not make us idiots. It's called debate.
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ElBurroSinNombre said:
The thing that strikes me about Truss is that she thinks that the answers to the very complicated issues that we face are in fact very simple and that only she has the vision to see this. She is way out of her depth
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It's not debate to say someone is out of their depth in a job they've not started. And it's not debate to surmise that Truss thinks the answers to the most difficult issues ever faced by an incoming PM are very simple. It's biased nonsense.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
So we cannot comment on the policies that she has very clearly said that she will enact because that makes us 'idiots' in your view. Instead we should wait until the policies don't work before commenting.

Borrowing to fund tax cuts is a mistake in my view, just as believing that you will stimulate enough growth with these tax cuts to take us out of a recession. Her belief in trickle down Economics as she explained yesterday, has also been shown not to work. In short, her plans probably won't have the effect needed and may actually make the situation worse. There is a national crisis looming and all she can do is talk about cutting taxes. We are right to criticise.
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If we wait until the plans don't work we'll be advised we're Captain Hindsight.

I wouldn't mind but she was a Lib Dem until her 30s and changed because there was no chance of getting any power. Even her mother and father are ashamed of her.

Why shouldn't we criticise her approach?
 
tommytwojags said:
It's not debate to say someone is out of their depth in a job they've not started. And it's not debate to surmise that Truss thinks the answers to the most difficult issues ever faced by an incoming PM are very simple. It's biased nonsense.
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She was out of her depth as Trades Minister, she was out of her depth as Foreign Secretary.

The only thing in her favour is she was a Remainer 😉
 
tommytwojags said:
Those who criticise a person's performance in a job they haven't yet started are idiots
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a company appointing a baboon to chief financial officer is likely to be told that the baboon whilst very good at displaying its big red arse to the world and chucking shit when it is angry has shown no capability to do the job of CFO, stand up Liz Truss who has in her whole career political or otherwise not even been good at metaphorically showing a fat red arse or even chucking shit around.
 
Costero Poderoso said:
a company appointing a baboon to chief financial officer is likely to be told that the baboon whilst very good at displaying its big red arse to the world and chucking shit when it is angry has shown no capability to do the job of CFO, stand up Liz Truss who has in her whole career political or otherwise not even been good at metaphorically showing a fat red arse or even chucking shit around.
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Let's wait and see.

Like Karl with Judge me at the end of the season.

Were people willing to wait or had they rightly already decided he wasn't up to much?
 
A Prime Minister delivered by 140,000 Nasty Party members, including some 15 year olds!
What a joke! And this is what they call Democracy!
 
tommytwojags said:
It's not debate to say someone is out of their depth in a job they've not started. And it's not debate to surmise that Truss thinks the answers to the most difficult issues ever faced by an incoming PM are very simple. It's biased nonsense.
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She gives me the impression of being out of her depth.
Some recent examples are;
  • Not saying that the French are our allies in order to appeal to right leaning Conservative Party members. Although she is Foreign Secretary, she is prepared to damage international relations to score a few votes with Conservative members.
  • Rabble rousing saying she would ignore Sturgeon during the leadership debates. Sturgeon has a very clear democratic mandate and needs to be listened to. With that one statement Truss has advanced the cause of Scottish independence by some distance.
  • Refusing to be interviewed by Andrew Neill and Nick Robinson, Sunak was interviewed by both. So not willing to put her ideas up for scrutiny belies a real lack of confidence in them.
  • Naming Patrick Minford as the one economist who says that borrowing money to cut taxes is a good idea. The same guy said that there would be an immediate 8% gain in GDP when we left the EU. (https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/n...th-checking-out-his-brexit-prediction-330320/)
All of the above scream 'out of her depth' to me and as others have pointed out above, these are just a few recent examples, there is plenty of other material.
It is my opinion, based on what I have seen, heard and read, and this is a message board for exchanging opinions. All the Truss 'supporters' on here seem to concentrate on criticising other posters rather than telling us how Truss will improve things. This in itself is very revealing.
 
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Wonder if she’ll last as long as the last two…
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
She gives me the impression of being out of her depth.
Some recent examples are;
  • Not saying that the French are our allies in order to appeal to right leaning Conservative Party members is an example of this. Although she is Foreign Secretary, she is prepared to damage international relations to score a few votes with Conservative members.
  • Rabble rousing saying she would ignore Sturgeon during the leadership debates. Sturgeon has a very clear democratic mandate and needs to be listened to. With that one statement Truss has advanced the cause of Scottish independence by some distance.
  • Refusing to be interviewed by Andrew Neill and Nick Robinson, Sunak was interviewed by both. So not willing to put her ideas up for scrutiny belies a real lack of confidence in them.
  • Naming Patrick Minford as the one economist who says that borrowing money to cut taxes is a good idea. The same guy said that there would be an immediate 8% gain in GDP when we left the EU. (https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/n...th-checking-out-his-brexit-prediction-330320/)
All of the above scream 'out of her depth' to me and as others have pointed out above, these are just a few recent examples, there is plenty of other material.
It is my opinion, based on what I have seen, heard and read, and this is a message board for exchanging opinions. All the Truss 'supporters' on here seem to concentrate on criticising other posters rather than telling us how Truss will improve things. This in itself is very revealing.
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Anyone quoting Patrick Minford as a source needs to be looked at with some scepticism.

Out of her depth doesn't even get close to how bad Liz Truss has been in every role she has had.

cameron, may and johnson were out of their depth, truss i think is on a whole other level
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
She gives me the impression of being out of her depth.
Some recent examples are;
  • Not saying that the French are our allies in order to appeal to right leaning Conservative Party members. Although she is Foreign Secretary, she is prepared to damage international relations to score a few votes with Conservative members.
  • Rabble rousing saying she would ignore Sturgeon during the leadership debates. Sturgeon has a very clear democratic mandate and needs to be listened to. With that one statement Truss has advanced the cause of Scottish independence by some distance.
  • and her ideas up for scrutiny belies a real lack of confidence in them.
  • Naming Patrick Minford as the one economist who says that borrowing money to cut taxes is a good idea. The same guy said that there would be an immediate 8% gain in GDP when we left the EU. (https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/n...th-checking-out-his-brexit-prediction-330320/)
All of the above scream 'out of her depth' to me and as others have pointed out above, these are just a few recent examples, there is plenty of other material.
It is my opinion, based on what I have seen, heard and read, and this is a message board for exchanging opinions. All the Truss 'supporters' on here seem to concentrate on criticising other posters rather than telling us how Truss will improve things. This in itself is very revealing.
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Saying that she would wait and see whether Macron (not the French as you suggest) is an ally or enemy was an excellent piece of statesmanship. Despite his clear hostility to the UK she refrained from criticising him whilst echoing the feelings of the British public towards France's relentless anti-UK antics. Not only well within her depth but a sensible response which conveyed her feelings without creating an international incident. Top marks from me.

Putting Sturgeon down by dismissing her ridiculous and naive demands was the perfect way to respond. The Scottish FM has failed miserably in the running of her country at the altar of independence. A majority of Scots realise that their country is suffering from horrendous problems concerning poverty, collapse of the education system, healthcare crises, drug problems, high mortality rates etc. Sturgeon is a fraud and will soon be found out as such. Truss's dismissal of her as a naughty child shows impressive strength not weakness. Top marks again.

"All the Truss 'supporters' on here seem to concentrate on criticising other posters rather than telling us how Truss will improve things. This in itself is very revealing" Why would posters on here tell us how Truss will improve things? That's her job. What most people should do and will do is wait and see how she deals with cost of living issues, the EU's childish anti-UK policies, the war in Ukraine etc and will decide whether she is doing a good job. The only sensible course of action.
 
EPM46 said:
A Prime Minister delivered by 140,000 Nasty Party members, including some 15 year olds!
What a joke! And this is what they call Democracy!
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Insofar as the vote was for the Leadership of the Conservative Party then it was democratic. Strictly speaking, Prime Ministers are appointed, not elected but, in terms of the practical reality of the operation, electing a new Government via a General Election is effective democracy at work. Appointing a new PM by virtue of them leading a party that is already in Government appears to be undemocratic.
 
Right Liz, over to you.

Not too many convinced that you can manage a brewery lash session, so at least you’re starting in an underdog situation. Surely you cannot be as inept as the last PM so it’s a blooming low bar to improve from.
 
tommytwojags said:
Saying that she would wait and see whether Macron (not the French as you suggest) is an ally or enemy was an excellent piece of statesmanship. Despite his clear hostility to the UK she refrained from criticising him whilst echoing the feelings of the British public towards France's relentless anti-UK antics. Not only well within her depth but a sensible response which conveyed her feelings without creating an international incident. Top marks from me.

Putting Sturgeon down by dismissing her ridiculous and naive demands was the perfect way to respond. The Scottish FM has failed miserably in the running of her country at the altar of independence. A majority of Scots realise that their country is suffering from horrendous problems concerning poverty, collapse of the education system, healthcare crises, drug problems, high mortality rates etc. Sturgeon is a fraud and will soon be found out as such. Truss's dismissal of her as a naughty child shows impressive strength not weakness. Top marks again.

"All the Truss 'supporters' on here seem to concentrate on criticising other posters rather than telling us how Truss will improve things. This in itself is very revealing" Why would posters on here tell us how Truss will improve things? That's her job. What most people should do and will do is wait and see how she deals with cost of living issues, the EU's childish anti-UK policies, the war in Ukraine etc and will decide whether she is doing a good job. The only sensible course of action.
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"Top marks again"

So just to be clear we can have opinions on how she is doing, just so long as they are good?
 
tommytwojags said:
Saying that she would wait and see whether Macron (not the French as you suggest) is an ally or enemy was an excellent piece of statesmanship. Despite his clear hostility to the UK she refrained from criticising him whilst echoing the feelings of the British public towards France's relentless anti-UK antics. Not only well within her depth but a sensible response which conveyed her feelings without creating an international incident. Top marks from me.

Putting Sturgeon down by dismissing her ridiculous and naive demands was the perfect way to respond. The Scottish FM has failed miserably in the running of her country at the altar of independence. A majority of Scots realise that their country is suffering from horrendous problems concerning poverty, collapse of the education system, healthcare crises, drug problems, high mortality rates etc. Sturgeon is a fraud and will soon be found out as such. Truss's dismissal of her as a naughty child shows impressive strength not weakness. Top marks again.

"All the Truss 'supporters' on here seem to concentrate on criticising other posters rather than telling us how Truss will improve things. This in itself is very revealing" Why would posters on here tell us how Truss will improve things? That's her job. What most people should do and will do is wait and see how she deals with cost of living issues, the EU's childish anti-UK policies, the war in Ukraine etc and will decide whether she is doing a good job. The only sensible course of action.
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You are making my point for me.
The dismissal of Sturgeon and Macron is standard little Englander fare that strikes a chord with a certain minority of the population - including yourself it would seem. It's really not grown up politics to insult our neighbours, whatever you think of them, and it smacks of her being out of her depth. An appeal to base nationalism because it's easier than facing the political reality which is that cooperation is usually far better than engineering confrontation. It seems that Truss is yet to learn this basic lesson.
  • France is an ally and has been for over a century and is a fellow NATO member. To deny this is to deny reality.
  • Sturgeon has a democratic mandate, it is irrelevant whether you think she is a fraud or not. If things in Scotland were as you would have it then she would not keep getting elected with about 50% of the popular vote. You cannot ignore someone with a large mandate because you don't agree with them. The alternative to not engaging is to hand Scotland to the nationalists and Truss in her naivety has helped the cause of Scottish independence.
 
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ElBurroSinNombre said:
You are making my point for me.
The dismissal of Sturgeon and Macron is standard little Englander fare that strikes a chord with a certain minority of the population - including yourself it would seem. It's really not grown up politics to insult our neighbours, whatever you think of them, and it smacks of her being out of her depth. An appeal to base nationalism because it's easier than facing the political reality which is that cooperation is usually far better than engineering confrontation. It seems that Truss is yet to learn this basic lesson.
  • France has been an ally and has been for over a century and is a fellow NATO member. To deny this is to deny reality.
  • Sturgeon has a democratic mandate, it is irrelevant whether you think she is a fraud or not. If things in Scotland were as you would have it then she would not keep getting elected with about 50% of the popular vote. You cannot ignore someone with a large mandate because you don't agree with them. The alternative to not engaging is to hand Scotland to the nationalists and Truss in her naivety has helped the cause of Scottish independence.
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Napoleon has been dead 201 years. You'd think we'd let it drop by now.

And 52% to 48% was a ringing endorsement apparently.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
You are making my point for me.
The dismissal of Sturgeon and Macron is standard little Englander fare that strikes a chord with a certain minority of the population - including yourself it would seem. It's really not grown up politics to insult our neighbours, whatever you think of them, and it smacks of her being out of her depth. An appeal to base nationalism because it's easier than facing the political reality which is that cooperation is usually far better than engineering confrontation. It seems that Truss is yet to learn this basic lesson.
  • France has been an ally and has been for over a century and is a fellow NATO member. To deny this is to deny reality.
  • Sturgeon has a democratic mandate, it is irrelevant whether you think she is a fraud or not. If things in Scotland were as you would have it then she would not keep getting elected with about 50% of the popular vote. You cannot ignore someone with a large mandate because you don't agree with them. The alternative to not engaging is to hand Scotland to the nationalists and Truss in her naivety has helped the cause of Scottish independence.
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Saying we will wait and see is not an insult and not a dismissal. Anyone who follows politics knows full well that Macron has done everything in his power to damage the UK. You have taken the view in two posts and without any foundation that Truss insulted the French people. That would have been bad form. However, she was very very careful to both not insult the French and to carefully put the ball back into Macron's court. Is he an enemy of the UK? We will see. Not only was she not out of her depth but it was a very clever response.

As for Sturgeon, she has no mandate for an independence referendum. Neither does the SNP have any political opposition in Scotland. Scots are not interested in another referendum at the moment. Check the polls. You talk as though Scotland has some kind of right to another referendum but it doesn't. I understand that Sturgeon has said she will seek Indyref 2, Indyref 3 and Indyref 4 until she gets the right result. Now if you want to spotlight a leader who is out of her depth, look no further.
 
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tommytwojags said:
Saying we will wait and see is not an insult and not a dismissal. Anyone who follows politics know full well that Macron has done everything in his power to damage the UK. You have taken the view in two posts and without any foundation that Truss insulted the French people. That would have been bad form. However, she was very very careful to both not insult the French and to carefully put the ball back into Macron's court. Is he an enemy of the UK? We will see. Not only was she not out of her depth but it was a very clever response.

As for Sturgeon, she has no mandate for an independence referendum. Neither does the SNP have any political opposition in Scotland. Scots are not interested in another referendum at the moment. Check the polls. You talk as though Scotland has some kind of right to another referendum but it doesn't. I understand that Sturgeon has said she will seek Indyref 2, Indyref 3 and Indyref 4 until she gets the right result. Now if you want to spotlight a leader who is out of her depth, look no further.
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When were fighting a Cold War with Russia again, then destabilising the Western alliance through jibes at an ally is ill timed at best, not clever in any way.
 
Wizaard said:
When were fighting a Cold War with Russia again, then destabilising the Western alliance through jibes at an ally is ill timed at best, not clever in any way.
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Your comment suggests you didn't listen to the answer she gave to the question by TalkTV

Q President Macron, friend or foe?"

A The jury's out, but if I become Prime Minister, I would judge him on deeds, not words.

I can't see any jibes at an ally in that response. No insult to France or its people, just an invitation to Macron to show a little more cooperation with the UK and to reduce the prolific threats he continues to make since we left the EU.
 
tommytwojags said:
Your comment suggests you didn't listen to the answer she gave to the question by TalkTV

Q President Macron, friend or foe?"

A The jury's out, but if I become Prime Minister, I would judge him on deeds, not words.

I can't see any jibes at an ally in that response. No insult to France or its people, just an invitation to Macron to show a little more cooperation with the UK and to reduce the prolific threats he continues to make since we left the EU.
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The jury's out.

Now is not the time for equivocation.
 
tommytwojags said:
Your comment suggests you didn't listen to the answer she gave to the question by TalkTV

Q President Macron, friend or foe?"

A The jury's out, but if I become Prime Minister, I would judge him on deeds, not words.

I can't see any jibes at an ally in that response. No insult to France or its people, just an invitation to Macron to show a little more cooperation with the UK and to reduce the prolific threats he continues to make since we left the EU.
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It was a dig at a close ally, nothing less. The way international relations are right now the only possible diplomatic response would have been that France is absolutely an ally, a close ally.
 
Priti Patel has resigned as Home Secretary with Suella Braverman taking over.

Wonderful news.

A real gathering of the talents.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
It was a dig at a close ally, nothing less. The way international relations are right now the only possible diplomatic response would have been that France is absolutely an ally, a close ally.
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So in agreement that she should lie 😂
 
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