Lyons off

I don't get why they're not even going for the low hanging fruit like trialists if they're finding recognising the gaps and doing the basics to sort it so difficult.

Certainly at right back it's been a year now since Ollie Turton knocked them out of their comfort zone by fancying a change. And the best they've managed is getting backed into a corner on a fee and a 4+1 by Forest/player/agent over Gabriel, who was his understudy. And a loan as backup, who it sounded like they had to pay more for if he didn't play so haven't been able to settle the position down. After wasting the first month of the season on it.

And we're not talking about cracking the da vinci code here. Or finding goalscorers. It's full backs. And there's a salaried CEO/HOFO/head of scouting/head of data/head of crisps/head of making sure anyone who hasn't been injured before coming here suddenly is as soon as they do. What's happening?!
 
Wilburrabbit said:
Failed attempts to sign Brannagan, Norburn, Bishop and now Lyons. Please god let’s not start behaving like we did under the Oystons….
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The way it's going, we might eventually get a full 11 of players under Sadler that we've faffed about over.
 
After the shambles of replacing NC and now this latest kick in the balls, for me, Ben Mansford can fcuk right off. Don’t see any value he’s adding. Would sooner SS told him to clear his desk. It’s like the bad old days of calamity Koko, except his misdeeds were deliberate.
 
Weird summer. Making u turns at the last minute, no rumours, now can’t sign someone from Shamrock Rovers.

The seasons upon us and we still look short.
 
tangysider said:
Big chance for Jack Moore, I do not remember him doing anything wrong in any of the matches he has played. Agree with other posters love Connolly but not at RB.
As one door closes another one opens, everyone is raving about how upset they are that Lyons is not joining us yet, but I have seen Jack Moore play and I rate him, no disrespect to Lyons but I have not seen him play.
Might need to go 3 at the back to give full backs the extra support.
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Jack Moore has been excellent in the pre season games and not looked out of place once, I’d give him a chance against Reading.
 
TangerineBayern said:
Jack Moore has been excellent in the pre season games and not looked out of place once, I’d give him a chance against Reading.
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He'd answer more than a few prayers by the sound of it if he could just come in and be that guy. But the club aren't actively recruiting if they're confident in internal solutions. And I don't think he's getting a start in the championship unless MA wants to make a point.

Will get good experience from being in a pre-season squad to help the seniors with their prep though. That and having a proper reserve/U23 squad, the opportunity for better loans than lower non league and the five-sub rule is the way to try and help bridge the gap to the first team, I think. Unless the first team drops to a league where the physicality and pace of the game isn't necessarily a bridge too far for our development level.

Right now it just feels to me like we've just got the hybrid of Tam off Still Game and Mavis Wilton in charge. And nothing more than that.

It's hard to know how they're getting the knockback as they're clearly serious about recruitment whilst still being sensible and not getting ahead of themselves, given the names linked. And recognising that they've not yet been able to make the wheel turn yet on player sales. I guess after not fact checking Bez and stuff like that they're now being 100% sure before they go in for someone.

But it's just that thing in my mind like when you look elsewhere and when Rotherham needed a left back they just went and signed Cohen Bramall on a release clause from Lincoln, and now they've got a left back. The basic entry level whilst still staying in your lane but showing you've gone up a league move.
 
I see the moaners are out in force. Well I am sure there is a gulf between Shamrock Rovers and the Championship and I think that the offers from pool were fair. I also think that Blackpool have explained to the fans that our policy is to buy young and up and coming players for the right price and hopefully sell on for a profit later . So why are some people expecting us to pay big for someone not proven ,it's madness.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
I see the moaners are out in force. Well I am sure there is a gulf between Shamrock Rovers and the Championship and I think that the offers from pool were fair. I also think that Blackpool have explained to the fans that our policy is to buy young and up and coming players for the right price and hopefully sell on for a profit later . So why are some people expecting us to pay big for someone not proven ,it's madness.
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Can you name one signing in this window where we've strengthened in positions where we're desperate to do so?
No you can't, and you wonder why people are moaning?
Less than 7 days to the start of the season and woefully short in a number of spots is nothing short of shambolic.
 
Wizzerboy said:
Can you name one signing in this window where we've strengthened in positions where we're desperate to do so?
No you can't, and you wonder why people are moaning?
Less than 7 days to the start of the season and woefully short in a number of spots is nothing short of shambolic.
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2 more injuries yesterday ….Keogh & Thame leaving us short And extremely vulnerable to losing a couple …Bowler & Yates spring to mind.
 
Allmodcons said:
I am cured of this shit.

We have gone from a post Oystains club that conducts its business with dignity and behind closed doors, to a shithouse club that makes offers, agrees terms and then pulls out of the deal at the last minute in the full glare of social media.

Not sure who is to blame but we are becoming a joke club again.

As Karren Brady once said to Karl : "people with no money shouldn't go shopping".
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Karren" What's in those bags ?"
Koko"A lot of rubbish. Give us a hand loading it then we're off for a ride in the country."😜😂
 
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This is getting serious now!
I don't know if it's Mansford that's out of his depth or whether he's towing the line for SS.
It's not just the fans that are talking about this, the players will be too!
If we have no money to spend for whatever reason then just come clean and be honest, at least we know where we stand.
 
Allmodcons said:
I am cured of this shit.

We have gone from a post Oystains club that conducts its business with dignity and behind closed doors, to a shithouse club that makes offers, agrees terms and then pulls out of the deal at the last minute in the full glare of social media.

Not sure who is to blame but we are becoming a joke club again.

As Karren Brady once said to Karl : "people with no money shouldn't go shopping".
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So if a player fails a medical you would still buy him? What are the insurance implications?
So since Critch left
Rosenoir was probably told if he stayed at Derby he would get head coach gig and do not think we offered terms at that point.
Colby see above
Lyons selling club pulled out for genuine reasons.
We have blooded Apter and Moore and they should play quite a few games this season
We have got 2 season long loans from players rated highly by the top 2 Prem clubs
The window does not shut for 5 weeks
Our squad does not have spare places up for grabs, so it is important to ship some out to make places available. No one in squad deserves to be unable to play due to squad numbers.
 
tangysider said:
I presume no other club actually negotiates on fees and automatically pay the selling clubs asking price.
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You would presume wrong. Of course we have to negotiate, but we aren’t very good at it recently are we. If we want something we have to pay for it. If not, look somewhere else, not keep trying to pay less.
 
tangysider said:
Our squad does not have spare places up for grabs, so it is important to ship some out to make places available. No one in squad deserves to be unable to play due to squad numbers.
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This is just a myth and the new excuse to not criticise the recruitment process.

You can have as many players as you want ffs.

Can you also explain our past two managerial searches as well? Cos we had space for a Manager 😃
 
Wizaard said:
An Irish League full back is definitely Championship standard? I don't know and I suspect none of us do either.
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One of our heroes whom we hoped would play yesterday for Everton was signed from Sligo Rovers for £60,000. Taking into account inflation over the past 12years or so there is no reason why not again!
 
tangysider said:
So if a player fails a medical you would still buy him? What are the insurance implications?
So since Critch left
Rosenoir was probably told if he stayed at Derby he would get head coach gig and do not think we offered terms at that point.
Colby see above
Lyons selling club pulled out for genuine reasons.
We have blooded Apter and Moore and they should play quite a few games this season
We have got 2 season long loans from players rated highly by the top 2 Prem clubs
The window does not shut for 5 weeks
Our squad does not have spare places up for grabs, so it is important to ship some out to make places available. No one in squad deserves to be unable to play due to squad numbers.
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A club can have as many players as they want, the ones that arent good enough get left out of the squad
 
Adams Kebab said:
This is just a myth and the new excuse to not criticise the recruitment process.

You can have as many players as you want ffs.

Can you also explain our past two managerial searches as well? Cos we had space for a Manager 😃
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Correct we could sign up 60 plus players but we can only play a maximum of 25 over 21 or loan players. So for the others there would be zero return on their wages
Last 2 managers have not be failures to the best of my knowledge.
Was anyone else offered the job before Appleton and have you any evidence of that?
 
tangysider said:
Correct we could sign up 60 plus players but we can only play a maximum of 25 over 21 or loan players. So for the others there would be zero return on their wages
Last 2 managers have not be failures to the best of my knowledge.
Was anyone else offered the job before Appleton and have you any evidence of that?
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But it 5 or 6 of your 25 aren’t good enough it’s worth carrying their wages for 3-4 months to improve your team no? Last August, we signed Gabriel and Sterling. Did you think then? Hang on we can’t sign a right back because we’ve got Teddy Howe & we’ll have to carry his wages?
It’s just a stupid made up argument on here to try and quell any dismay at our faff of a recruitment process. It’s nonsense.

Critchley did a great job, but let’s not forget we had more knock backs than Tim Henman’s 2nd serve before we got him.

And let’s be honest, Appleton was never in anyones thoughts till we got him and do you think he’s the best we could have gone for? I actually think he’ll do well, but let’s not pretend about how it unfolded, it’s insulting to suggest otherwise.
 
Adams Kebab said:
But it 5 or 6 of your 25 aren’t good enough it’s worth carrying their wages for 3-4 months to improve your team no? Last August, we signed Gabriel and Sterling. Did you think then? Hang on we can’t sign a right back because we’ve got Teddy Howe & we’ll have to carry his wages?
It’s just a stupid made up argument on here to try and quell any dismay at our faff of a recruitment process. It’s nonsense.

Critchley did a great job, but let’s not forget we had more knock backs than Tim Henman’s 2nd serve before we got him.

And let’s be honest, Appleton was never in anyones thoughts till we got him and do you think he’s the best we could have gone for? I actually think he’ll do well, but let’s not pretend about how it unfolded.
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It's a really really bad argument tbh. We know CJ should be tried to be moved on, maybe Bez too. But we shouldn't sign better quality because they're here now? Yeah it's not great.
 
Think I'm alone in saying that SR are largely to blame. They really shouldn't have been in negotiations to sell if there injuries were that close to the line (assuming the injury picked up by them at the weekend is the honest reason).

If it was me I'd go back with an increased public offer in the hope of upsetting the player and forcing SR to look for replacements.

How would we fund the extra £100/150k, other than football income? Drop BM's wages by half.
 
SeasideKurt said:
It's a really really bad argument tbh. We know CJ should be tried to be moved on, maybe Bez too. But we shouldn't sign better quality because they're here now? Yeah it's not great.
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It’s the new ‘we have to wait for the Premier League to pay our first payment’ when the players didn’t get their bonus and Franny Jeffers landed on trial.

Made up, utter horseshit.

There’s another one i’m noticing too…

“It’s ok to say if it’s not your money”…
 
SeasideKurt said:
It's a really really bad argument tbh. We know CJ should be tried to be moved on, maybe Bez too. But we shouldn't sign better quality because they're here now? Yeah it's not great.
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Think Bez will go
Agree we need better than CJ to get to top half of the table.
If I owned the club I would question why we had players we could not play who were a drain on the budget.
3 players on our lowish wages would still be 750kgbp.
Think Bury went down the route you suggest, that ended well.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
I see the moaners are out in force. Well I am sure there is a gulf between Shamrock Rovers and the Championship and I think that the offers from pool were fair. I also think that Blackpool have explained to the fans that our policy is to buy young and up and coming players for the right price and hopefully sell on for a profit later . So why are some people expecting us to pay big for someone not proven ,it's madness.
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I'm not entirely sure why who he plays for is an issue and why he wouldn't make the step up.
If you use that argument, Peterborough would never have made multi millions from, Boyd, Makail - Smith, McLean, Gayle, Asombalonga, etc etc, if they'd followed that scouting outlook.

Not sure about name spellings....soz
 
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But it 5 or 6 of your 25 aren’t good enough it’s worth carrying their wages for 3-4 months to improve your team no? Last August, we signed Gabriel and Sterling. Did you think then? Hang on we can’t sign a right back because we’ve got Teddy Howe & we’ll have to carry his wages?
It’s just a stupid made up argument on here to try and quell any dismay at our faff of a recruitment process. It’s nonsense.

Critchley did a great job, but let’s not forget we had more knock backs than Tim Henman’s 2nd serve before we got him.

And let’s be honest, Appleton was never in anyones thoughts till we got him and do you think he’s the best we could have gone for? I actually think he’ll do well, but let’s not pretend about how it unfolded, it’s insulting to suggest otherwise.
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Do not want to fall out over this.
For whatever reasons the squad numbers are too tight this year to allow proper planning.
Next year loads are out of contract and hopefully we will take the opportunity to buy better than we have
 
tangysider said:
Do not want to fall out over this.
For whatever reasons the squad numbers are too tight this year to allow proper planning.
Next year loads are out of contract and hopefully we will take the opportunity to buy better than we have
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I’m not falling out, just saying it as I see it.

Ben Mansford told us that the recruitment was all planned out in February for the Summer and even if the Manager changed our recruitment didn’t. Which falls down at the 1st hurdle of us signing Fiorini who’s clearly an Appleton signing (one that looks a good one).

The Squad shouldn’t be tight if it restricts us bringing players in and if we’ve ballsed up with that then why do we have a transfer committee who’ll all be earning decent money to negate any such problems.

I’m relaxed that we’ve still got 5 weeks till the window shuts but we started last season badly because of poor recruitment. It’s a poor doo to risk doing that again and our seemingly piss poor offers we make for players.

All roads point to the ‘recruitment team’. Just to add, we can judge their performance at the end of the window… but we play 7 games till the window shuts… we can’t afford to let it cost us points.
 
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without wishing to be totally doom and gloom it has to be concerning that no permanent signings being made with so many deals falling thru. Is this down to Mansford and maybe restrictions put on him by Sadler, I just don't know. But for it to be said that our budget is bigger than last season, well all the evidence suggests that is far from the case and is concerning. Is there something going on that we don't know about?
 
Adams Kebab said:
But it 5 or 6 of your 25 aren’t good enough it’s worth carrying their wages for 3-4 months to improve your team no? Last August, we signed Gabriel and Sterling. Did you think then? Hang on we can’t sign a right back because we’ve got Teddy Howe & we’ll have to carry his wages?
It’s just a stupid made up argument on here to try and quell any dismay at our faff of a recruitment process. It’s nonsense.

Critchley did a great job, but let’s not forget we had more knock backs than Tim Henman’s 2nd serve before we got him.

And let’s be honest, Appleton was never in anyones thoughts till we got him and do you think he’s the best we could have gone for? I actually think he’ll do well, but let’s not pretend about how it unfolded, it’s insulting to suggest otherwise.
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It's like the mushroom argument of the Premier LG season all over again

"We can't sign players as we haven't got the Sky money all at once"

Proper bell ends we have supporting us who don't want the club to sign better players
 
Adams Kebab said:
I’m not falling out, just saying it as I see it.

Ben Mansford told us that the recruitment was all planned out in February for the Summer and even if the Manager changed our recruitment didn’t. Which falls down at the 1st hurdle of us signing Fiorini who’s clearly an Appleton signing (one that looks a good one).

The Squad shouldn’t be tight if it restricts us bringing players in and if we’ve ballsed up with that then why do we have a transfer committee who’ll all be earning decent money to negate any such problems.

I’m relaxed that we’ve still got 5 weeks till the window shuts but we started last season badly because of poor recruitment. It’s a poor doo to risk doing that again and our seemingly piss poor offers we make for players.

All roads point to the ‘recruitment team’. Just to add, we can judge their performance at the end of the window… but we play 7 games till the window shuts… we can’t afford to let it cost us points.
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Agree that the squad numbers should neither be too tight or wholesale changes likely, and that is the biggest failing in my book.
 
Adams Kebab said:
I’m not falling out, just saying it as I see it.

Ben Mansford told us that the recruitment was all planned out in February for the Summer and even if the Manager changed our recruitment didn’t. Which falls down at the 1st hurdle of us signing Fiorini who’s clearly an Appleton signing (one that looks a good one).

The Squad shouldn’t be tight if it restricts us bringing players in and if we’ve ballsed up with that then why do we have a transfer committee who’ll all be earning decent money to negate any such problems.

I’m relaxed that we’ve still got 5 weeks till the window shuts but we started last season badly because of poor recruitment. It’s a poor doo to risk doing that again and our seemingly piss poor offers we make for players.

All roads point to the ‘recruitment team’. Just to add, we can judge their performance at the end of the window… but we play 7 games till the window shuts… we can’t afford to let it cost us points.
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The Colby thing concerned me. Not that we didnt get him so much as that we dived in for him, no planning evident at all. Its pretty obvious that the club talks a language to create an image, its what companies do innit? The reality is generally very different, a lot more ad hoc day to day. Our shopping tactics appear to be of the yellow sticker variety. But its only become like that now, we did pretty well when we were recruitinv for L1 and we did relatively well last summer. I guess our squad has filled up with players under contract and we are at or close to our budget. We are not really financially equipped for the Championship. Weve also made mistakes like giving extended contracts to injured players like Stewart, Virtue and Garbutt. And maybe giving jerry a big pay rise based on L1 goals.

The club is doing a lot of stuff well but not everything right. Its not an easy game to play though, so much to negotiate. Literally and figuratively.
 
This could all be a negotiating position, Shamrock are holding out for £500,000, BFC value him closer to £200,000, we say "we're looking elsewhere" and Shamrock will end up with £0 and an unhappy player to boot, either Shamrock soften their position or we move for someone else (perhaps on loan), and maybe come back in for him next summer when his contract is almost expired.
 
Philbfctrois said:
It's like the mushroom argument of the Premier LG season all over again

"We can't sign players as we haven't got the Sky money all at once"

Proper bell ends we have supporting us who don't want the club to sign better players
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You do talk absolute Bollux at times.
I know you are not as thick as you sometimes come across as you like to put forward the contrary view, but I am sure you would have heard of playing budgets.
All fans would want the best available players, but there is no money tree as Bury, Bolton, Derby found to their cost.
 
Personally I just don’t see the need for a meltdown. It’s definitely not ideal and the fullback situation needs sorting but I don’t think we’re in a terrible position.

Central midfield is looking far better than last season, we had Reece James in there for a few games, now we have some different options.

The main concern for me is our reliance on Bowler, if he goes then we need a good replacement and that’s not easy. That’s not happened yet though, maybe I’ll join the meltdown gang when it does.
 
Lost Seasider said:
This could all be a negotiating position, Shamrock are holding out for £500,000, BFC value him closer to £200,000, we say "we're looking elsewhere" and Shamrock will end up with £0 and an unhappy player to boot, either Shamrock soften their position or we move for someone else (perhaps on loan), and maybe come back in for him next summer when his contract is almost expired.
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Yes, got to remember the LoI Premier is a summer league and is over half way through. Shamrock Rovers have a healthy lead and by the end of the transfer window could have it all wrapped up and may be more eager to sell. There may still be life in this deal towards the end of the window.
 
tangysider said:
You do talk absolute Bollux at times.
I know you are not as thick as you sometimes come across as you like to put forward the contrary view, but I am sure you would have heard of playing budgets.
All fans would want the best available players, but there is no money tree as Bury, Bolton, Derby found to their cost.
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You loan out or list players who don't make the cut, this is what happens at every other club.

What kind of transfer policy is 'well we already have a player in that position'?
 
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