Man City charged with 10 years worth of financial rule breaking.

Wizaard said:
No chance of demotion. It would be in the courts for years, and City will have better lawyers and more money than than the EPL.
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Agree very unlikely.

But, with the independent regulator coming ever closer this looks like a power play from the PL to say, ah ha look don’t really need one look what we can do to rule breakers. I think City are for it here. They’ve wilfully lied according to these charges.

Oh dear.

Cheating is cheating.
 
Wizaard said:
No chance of demotion. It would be in the courts for years, and City will have better lawyers and more money than than the EPL.
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And there lies the problem. Every man and his dog knows City have been breaking the rules for years. As no doubt Chelsea and a few other have. But as you've quite rightly said, they have better lawyers and more money than the FA. Just as they did when UEFA kicked them out of the Champions League for breaking the rules.
So you now have the situation where clubs are more powerful than the organisations governing them. That can't be good for the game. All these billions of pounds swilling around in the Premier League may prove to be it's downfall.
I still can't see much happening to City to be honest. Probably a slapped wrist and a paltry fine. Hope I'm wrong. Cheating is cheating.
 
If they do get found guilty, imagine the huge repercussions? If for example a team had finished 5th and missed out on Champions League football in one of those seasons City had broken the rules. It's well documented the huge financial rewards Champions League football brings, not to mention individual bonuses missed out on.
This could open a huge can of worms.
 
I.m quite sure other clubs, ot just in this country, are guilty of finding ways to avoid the rules. If the authorities try to come down hard on City, I can see it hastening the breakaway European super league.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
You're probably right and as Blood says, time will tell. They'll probably wriggle out of it because they've got more money to pay better lawyers. They got away with the UEFA charge on a technicality due to the lawyers. But it's certainly tarnished their 'achievements'
Every trophy they've won will have a question mark against it.
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Any legal costs incurred by a club should be included in their FFP assessment. Lot less to spend on players.
 
As soon as all the big Premiership clubs get their financial dealings forensically audited, I think that 'The European Superleague' will rear it's ugly head once again.
By the way, there wasn't much chance of us overspending during our one season in the Premiership.
🧡UTMP🧡
 
The only way to curb this disgraceful amount of money in the premier league is for the TV companies to come together and agree a significantly reduced but realistic payment for TV rights. I almost wish for the day when these companies cannot afford the leagues expectation. Players can still earn huge wages but let’s stop this 2,3,4 and even 500k a week. What happens in the premier league has an impact throughout the football pyramid.
 
As Brian Clough might've said....

"Well, I might as well tell you now.
You lot may all be internationals and have won all the domestic honours there are to win under Manchini, Pellegrini and Pep.
But as far as I'm concerned, the first thing you can do for me is to chuck all your medals and all your caps and all your pots and pans into the biggest *** dustbin you can find. Because you've never won any of them fairly.

You've done it all by bloody cheating."
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
If they do get found guilty, imagine the huge repercussions? If for example a team had finished 5th and missed out on Champions League football in one of those seasons City had broken the rules. It's well documented the huge financial rewards Champions League football brings, not to mention individual bonuses missed out on.
This could open a huge can of worms.
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Theyll probably get a 100k fine or some bollocks 😂
 
Memphisboy said:
Ridiculous. Thought we lived in a Capitalist country. If you have the money you should be allowed to spend it. Have you seen the regeneration of that area, all paid for by City’s owners.
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Memphisboy said:
Ridiculous. Thought we lived in a Capitalist country. If you have the money you should be allowed to spend it. Have you seen the regeneration of that area, all paid for by City’s owners.
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It is pretty impressive
 
Memphisboy said:
Ridiculous. Thought we lived in a Capitalist country. If you have the money you should be allowed to spend it. Have you seen the regeneration of that area, all paid for by City’s owners.
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All paid for by the UK Government when they hosted the Commonwealth Games in eaast Manchester as part of a major regeneration project.
 
Limechase said:
Florist this season with josh... See they are all at it
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Possibly some are 'at it'. But not all and probably not to the extent City are.
And not the way they've set up false companies to look like sponsors
and bank accounts in Abu Dhabi for hidden payments to keep the wage bill down. It's going to
be interesting that's for sure.,
Whatever happens, even if they wriggle out of it, let's hope this is a deterrent to any other
despot billionaire owners that they can't break the rules.
 
Fast forward to 2026. BBC Sport

"Man City and 10 other PL clubs have been told they will not face further action amid pending rule changes. The PL has said whilst it is disappointed it now feels important and bigger than the Clubs which one insider claimed 'was the main purpose of it all' ".

"Man City sign Luca Notrianis from Blackpool for £400m".
 
Shandypants said:
City used to be a proper working class club, can't stand them anymore.
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My mates are City fans, I saw them quite a few times in the 80s. The Redmond, Hinchcliffe, Lake etc era. They really were pretty ordinary, mainly 2nd Division but could still get a regular 20-25k, which was good in the 80s.

The matches often followed a similar pattern - huge roar as the Kippax got the first sight of them coming out, every player adored, then 15-20 minutes of mind numbing mediocrity later it was boos, Swales out etc. Then news at half time that Utd were losing and it was party time, no one cared any more. To a young neutral like me, it seemed sometimes they were more bothered Utd lost than City won.

Although me not having been able to stand the long standing Utd superiority attitude of Divine Right either, I suppose they had a point.

The bit I find amusing these days about City is they either can't see or don't care that they haven't just become everything they despised about Utd, they've gone so far past it they're out of sight.
 
CGP1 said:
My mates are City fans, I saw them quite a few times in the 80s. The Redmond, Hinchcliffe, Lake etc era. They really were pretty ordinary, mainly 2nd Division but could still get a regular 20-25k, which was good in the 80s.

The matches often followed a similar pattern - huge roar as the Kippax got the first sight of them coming out, every player adored, then 15-20 minutes of mind numbing mediocrity later it was boos, Swales out etc. Then news at half time that Utd were losing and it was party time, no one cared any more. To a young neutral like me, it seemed sometimes they were more bothered Utd lost than City won.

Although me not having been able to stand the long standing Utd superiority attitude of Divine Right either, I suppose they had a point.

The bit I find amusing these days about City is they either can't see or don't care that they haven't just become everything they despised about Utd, they've gone so far past it they're out of sight.
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I have four mates who are big city fans and have been since the 80s. They generally gloat a lot but when you catch them off guard or they are being honest they confess to enjoying it more when they were bang average underdogs rather than the superstar tourist attraction they've become. One of them still hasn't gotten over United and still loves to post stuff online about their demise, like you allude to, I think they've enjoyed United fail rather than city winning 95% of the time. City's owners bought a club, it could have been spurs, Leeds or whoever. All very false.
 
Memphisboy said:
Ridiculous. Thought we lived in a Capitalist country. If you have the money you should be allowed to spend it. Have you seen the regeneration of that area, all paid for by City’s owners.
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Your point is your opinion which is fine of course.

However it’s entirely irrelevant because there ARE financial rules and owners of clubs know them very well. So if they deliberately “cheat” around those rules and it’s proven then they have cheated, not played fair and prospered from it in the pitch then they must be punished.
 
I never thought the EPL would have the balls to do this so credit for that. Whether it will stick or not remains doubtful.
 
Shandypants said:
I have four mates who are big city fans and have been since the 80s. They generally gloat a lot but when you catch them off guard or they are being honest they confess to enjoying it more when they were bang average underdogs rather than the superstar tourist attraction they've become. One of them still hasn't gotten over United and still loves to post stuff online about their demise, like you allude to, I think they've enjoyed United fail rather than city winning 95% of the time. City's owners bought a club, it could have been spurs, Leeds or whoever. All very false.
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Yes it was pot luck just like Newcastle now


but I guess it’s also pot luck where you are born or who your Dad supports etc and therefore who you end up supporting….and your teams chances of ever sampling any bits of Glory

I currently support Arsenal but last few years I’ve supported City apart from one year where I supported Liverpool and another the Foxes . I’ve been lucky enough to see my teams win the Prem many times so I’ve been lucky
 
Bloodtangerine said:
Your point is your opinion which is fine of course.

However it’s entirely irrelevant because there ARE financial rules and owners of clubs know them very well. So if they deliberately “cheat” around those rules and it’s proven then they have cheated, not played fair and prospered from it in the pitch then they must be punished.
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Good article here. Well worth a read -
www.theguardian.com

If Manchester City are guilty they have betrayed football as a spectacle | Barney Ronay

Sport only works if it is on some level real, credible and straight – any club that breaks the rules must be harshly punished
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
Bloodtangerine said:
Yes it was pot luck just like Newcastle now


but I guess it’s also pot luck where you are born or who your Dad supports etc and therefore who you end up supporting….and your teams chances of ever sampling any bits of Glory

I currently support Arsenal but last few years I’ve supported City apart from one year where I supported Liverpool and another the Foxes . I’ve been lucky enough to see my teams win the Prem many times so I’ve been lucky
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Me too it's great, I was a big Barca fan and weirdly I supported Argentina in the WC. What luck!
 
This is going to be really tedious over the next two years, city will lose the case and be punished accordingly, they will run straight to the Court of arbitration and have the decision overturned.

That’s what happened last time anyway
 
tigger said:
This is going to be really tedious over the next two years, city will lose the case and be punished accordingly, they will run straight to the Court of arbitration and have the decision overturned.

That’s what happened last time anyway
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To be fair last time I think it was Uefa that had messed up and CAS found that the statute had expired on the scope of their investigation.

Basically they got off on a technicality, but everything pointed towards guilty.

This is going to be bigger than people think, it’s the 1992 moment for the PL I think. Are they a rules based competition or not? What effect will the outcome either way be on the big clubs thoughts on breaking away.

This is going to be pretty interesting.
 
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