voyeur
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It's a close call. I'm not really attracted to either side of the United argument.
Camberwell1
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Seaside 2020, Sly Sportsareas much to blame for this mess as anybody else
ithnk if this had been any other Club in any other league there would be an enquiry now and appoints deduction and fine etc would already be half hatched
this Protest was in part to stop City getting the league title today and I for one hope the people of Manchester just give them the true credit they deserve (even though they have the biggest budget, best squad in Europe and of course like everyone else no fans !
Mark_GT
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I'm a shade concerned about the effect of this on my "Not a Bays (sic) more"thread. I'd hoped to nurdle this abject non starter to an undeserved (but triumphant in the circumstances) 50, but today's protest has jogged a few memories. I think the game may be up
#NABM
Levi501
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A death defying am/dram “Nooooooo” pause…… I beseech thee, er dooeth not give thee up and that!I'm a shade concerned about the effect of this on my "Not a Bays (sic) more"thread. I'd hoped to nurdle this abject non starter to an undeserved (but triumphant in the circumstances) 50, but today's protest has jogged a few memories. I think the game may be up
#NABM
Mark_GT
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Feareth not - no-one will remember tomorrow and the NABM campaign will resume full throttle. We'll show those softarse Mancs the real meaning of protest
#NABM
Levi501
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Blimey I was just putting my top denture into a cup of superdent for the night when my avftt night alarm alerted me! Yes we lead where the Mancs follow!Feareth not - no-one will remember tomorrow and the NABM campaign will resume full throttle. We'll show those softarse Mancs the real meaning of protest
#NABM
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er!!#MANU. oh no think I’ve got a gremlin?
Allmodcons
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Fair play to those United fans, it's a bloody long way to come from London just to throw a few bottles
td53
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I quite enjoyed this piece
All good clean fun, in the most part. But then of course there were the few who managed to breach the barricades, set off flares, break glass. Again, in the coming days you will see the actions of this tiny minority grossly amplified in an attempt to recast the protest as some sort of violent riot.
You will hear lots of mealy‑mouthed moralising about trespass, damage to property, Covid breaches. “A dangerous situation that should have no place in football,” was how the Premier League reacted, and without wishing to downplay the public safety element let’s not pretend this was the main story here.
Fans protest on the Old Trafford concourse in what felt like the last refuge of people whose every last avenue had been closed to them. Photograph: Tom Jenkins/The Guardian
In fact, the Premier League’s reaction to the protests encapsulated the sense of alienation and disenfranchisement that engendered them in the first place. By firmly siding with its rights-holders and property‑owning class, it simply reminded us where the power in the game currently resides and has arguably always resided. For all the lip service English football pays to fan culture and the importance of its supporter base, days such as this are when the mask slips, when you understand why so many of its powerbrokers yearn to move these games to Dubai or Jeddah, where the threat of direct action is – shall we say – somewhat sparser.
Murciaseasider
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We more than most, can sympathise with protests against owners, but the MU protest got out of hand and people got injured. MU fans don't have the same advantage that Pool fans had in simply staying away, nevertheless they crossed the line as soon as the violence started. Sorry but I think that MU should receive the appropriate penalty for failing to fulfil a fixture,and there needs to be compensation to GM police and Liverpool FC for costs that they incurred.
coppiceman
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I would like to know what you think WOULD strike a blow, tbh. You seem very critical of what other people do but don't have any ideas of your own.
AndrewDuncanSmith
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Legislation by the government is called for too much money is going into the pockets
of the wrong people, foreigners are buying into our national game and exploiting it for profit
at the expense of grass roots football.
of the wrong people, foreigners are buying into our national game and exploiting it for profit
at the expense of grass roots football.
td53
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Maybe they'll learn that.
td53
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We're undoubtedly going to see a big increase in policing at top football matches. This is because the owners have acted in such a way that has created deep anger within their fan bases. We're going to see the surreal sight of police guarding empty stadiums to protect matches that fans are trying to get called off because they are angry with the way their clubs are run.
That, to me, seems to be something between the clubs and their fans. If I had a business I ran so badly that my customers decided to smash it up, I'd be a pretty shitty business person.
Instead, we're going to see the resources of the UK state marshalled towards protecting the investment of largely foreign billionaires, presumably at the cost of local services.
I hope GMP are presenting Utd with an overtime bill plus a few extra costs they've added on, cos it wasn't GMP who decided to take the club into a super league with zero consultation or to take into debt or any of the other decisions they've taken that have alienated their fanbase.
Why should the UK taxpayer foot the bill (and individual coppers bear the scars off) some off shore investment fund or psychopath billionaires desires to run a football club really badly by trying to turn it into something else?
I'm all for paying tax, but I can think of better causes than that to spend it on.
That, to me, seems to be something between the clubs and their fans. If I had a business I ran so badly that my customers decided to smash it up, I'd be a pretty shitty business person.
Instead, we're going to see the resources of the UK state marshalled towards protecting the investment of largely foreign billionaires, presumably at the cost of local services.
I hope GMP are presenting Utd with an overtime bill plus a few extra costs they've added on, cos it wasn't GMP who decided to take the club into a super league with zero consultation or to take into debt or any of the other decisions they've taken that have alienated their fanbase.
Why should the UK taxpayer foot the bill (and individual coppers bear the scars off) some off shore investment fund or psychopath billionaires desires to run a football club really badly by trying to turn it into something else?
I'm all for paying tax, but I can think of better causes than that to spend it on.
SEASIDE2020
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Regardless of what they were protesting about and whether or not anybody agrees with them, I find it strange that Covid has not been mentioned by the AVFTT public safety experts.
Does the virus support the fight against the greed in football and doesn't come out to play when folk are protesting ?
For the benefit of the tape, I agree that public safety was not the story.
td53
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You can apply the same argument to playing pan global/european tournaments I guess.
SEASIDE2020
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Sounds good all that td but you have got to ask whether the Glazer's have acted illegally or not ?
SEASIDE2020
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Absolutely td but my point was that it would appear that for many on here it's perfectly fine to protest against football owners during a pandemic, "Give them credit for fighting for football", but if you protest against the lockdown or restrictions then you are a "bell3nd".
I am not including you in that td.
Adams Kebab
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I remember an interview he did on BBC North West sat in his garden, slagging off fans and actually praising the Oyston’s running of the Club. Would love someone to find it I’ve tried but no joy.
It’s actually a joke that he gets to commentate on our games in the ground at the moment, so bizarre how negative he is about the team and players especially Kaikai, but didn’t say anything negative about the Oyston’s.
As well as the above he is also an absolute wank commentator, gets so much wrong and only clocked onto this in the past year as we have pictures with his commentary. It got me thinking back to listening to his commentary years ago for our away games... was it actually Melvin Capleton in goal or Lee Martin? Was it a great cross by David Eyres or was it Tony Rodwell.
Negative, energy zapping clown. Can tell he’s a headmaster, always concerns me how he gets excited about “big strapping boys” on the pitch.
I’ve started muting the commentary now, only so many times I can hear him describe the colour of Chris Maxwells goalie shirt as aqua & him say “he got his Geography right there” in his “real estate”.
SEASIDE2020
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I am not sure that foreigners are the problem to be honest ?
There are foreigners putting fortunes IN TO football.
SEASIDE2020
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Come on Kebab that's a bit harsh.
To be fair to Chizzy, I know a few people who would struggle to tell the difference between Lee Martin and Melvin Capleton.
Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles and Roy Orbisson but I'm sure they'll be more.
SEASIDE2020
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Coppice
You appear to be very critical of me considering I just offered an opinion on the protest on a football messageboard.
Somebody offered an opinion that the protesters had a struck a blow for football and I simply said that I wasn't sure if that was the case.
It was not me who chose to strike a blow for football so I have not thought too much about it to be perfectly honest with you.
If and when I do decide to protest about something, I will think carefully about how I go about it and I might consider the consequences of my actions and the safety of others.
It would appear to me that you are suggesting that I am not allowed to question whether the protest landed a blow because I have not thought of an alternative protest method ?
If there had been fatalities at yesterdays protest, would folk not have been allowed to condemn the actions without offering up alternative protest methods ?
coppiceman
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That's a good example of what I mean. Six paragraphs to say bugger all.
SEASIDE2020
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That's a good example of what I mean. Six paragraphs to say bugger all.
A good little soundbite response Coppice.
Given that it was you that made a point of pulling me up, it might have been an idea for you to be decent enough to afford me a proper response.
To make things more simple for you:
Were you seriously suggesting that I should not be allowed to state that I wasn't sure that the protesters had struck a blow for football because I had failed to provide an alternative protest method ?
coppiceman
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I'm seriously suggesting that you seem to want everyone to justify their opinions. Bar yourself, cos you are careful never to express one.