Man Utd Fans Protest

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SEASIDE2020 said:
All football supporters are fickle and hypocritical like you say Lytham.

Some might say I'm being lazy but I think todays protest is more to do with young people who have been starved of action for over a year and just looking for something to do.

The majority might have been football supporters with a beef against the owners but I think it was just something to do.

Along the lines of what we were discussing before, I also don't think they protest if Man Utd had more than an outside chance of winning the league, if they were say 6 points behind City, I don't think they'd have been protesting.

I'm iffing again so I'll feck off !!!!!!!!! :)
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You're probably right, people are bored, I imagine this summer could see a shitload of unrest after the year we've all just had.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
You make some fair and good points td but I didn't mean to be overly critical of todays events, I just feel that there were a lot of youngsters who haven't been able to do much of late.

I see you are critical of Sky TV, I can't I say I have any big problem with Sky but I do find it strange that many - not your good self - that are so opposed to the ESL have put Sky and Gary Neville on a pedestal as the saviours of football.

Sky were clearly not going to be involved in the broadcasting of the ESL - certainly not when it started - and have provided a platform for everybody to register their dissatisfaction of the venture and dedicated plenty of air time in informing football supporters how terrible the new league was for football.

Now that the new venture has collapsed, it will be good to see their "doo gooder" policy backfire on them.
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It's not 'do good' - it's 'protect brand' - just as (to recall the debate we love to revisit!) - they're not 'woke' they're just trying to reach a younger market with different values.

I agree that it's very odd to see Sky pundits held up as the messiahs of the 'people's game'
 
It’s def had the desired effect..to postpone one of the biggest fixtures in world football...
Sky not so super Sunday...
Early and late games are both shite really let’s be honest....😎
 
Mark_GT said:
Spot on. Groves was peddling this particular line of old shite on Talksport. You could tell Sam Whatsisface the host was embarrassed by it and, more likely, thinking "fuck- I'll get lynched next time I roll up to Old Trafford".

Whichever way you look at, it having a high profile Premier League match postponed due to protest about bad owners is something of a landmark moment. The big question is, does that all now fizzle away as the next greed league/establishment chapter opens next season with matchday seats, TV packages etc freshly repackaged by the controlling forces and up for grabs?
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The Utd Lads (and Lasses) won’t just fade away.....no chance, just like Blackpool’s fine fans didn’t 👍
 
td53 said:
Utd fans set up FC Utd whilst they were flying high under Fergie. They've run a long standing campaign against the Glazers which has taken in several years with European finals, title wins and so on.

I think this is the problem. We should be getting behind them as a whole, not going 'oh, but they're only moaning because...'

Premier League fans have more reason in a way to kick off than lower league fans. The match day experience is ruined, the prices are sky high, their grounds are turned into corporate cash cows, you can't buy a match ticket, the clubs are actively seeking to push out local 'legacy fans' in favour of tourists who spend in the megastore. The games kick off at stupid times on stupid days and so on.

Now on top of all that, the Glazers were behind trying to take them into a franchise league.

Give them some ** credit for standing up to them!!!!
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Best post on this thread. They’ve struck a blow for all football fans. People need to put their hatred of United to one side and look at the bigger picture
 
Qblock said:
Best post on this thread. They’ve struck a blow for all football fans. People need to put their hatred of United to one side and look at the bigger picture
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I don't have any hate - or love - for Man Utd or their supporters.

I also don't have any big problem with those who were protesting today but I am not of the opinion that they have a struck a blow for all football fans.
 
td53 said:
It's not 'do good' - it's 'protect brand' - just as (to recall the debate we love to revisit!) - they're not 'woke' they're just trying to reach a younger market with different values.

I agree that it's very odd to see Sky pundits held up as the messiahs of the 'people's game'
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It is what it is td, it doesn't matter what each individual wants to call it.

Sky have put fortunes in to football, players earn 6 figures a week because of them and matches kick off when Sky want them to kick off and I am not sure the needs of the football supporter are given any great consideration.
 
Plumbs said:
In this context you are correct but in practice the PL is a closed shop,unless club owners risk potential bankruptcy in trying to get there; that's why Derby and Sheffield Weds are on the verge of relegation and why Sunderland and Portsmouth are in L1.
You'll find out soon about the glass ceilings as you (hopefully) move up the divisions, but its changed massively since Ollie took you up.
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Not only is this post more than a little patronising, it's also bollocks.

Brentford and Barnsley are both in the playoffs. Both having successful seasons with different approaches but both very much doing it without bankrupting themselves.
 
Mr Tangerine Man said:
Yet they still continue to fund the Glazers
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Very good point but unfortunately for them they have so many world wide and Souther fans that NAPM would not work. The fans today I believe are actually local genuine fans. Not to mention as someone else pointed out a little help from Norwich City.
 
Do people really hate Manchester United? Personally I wouldn't say I hold any ill will towards the actual club, the aspect of them I don't like is the glory hunters you have to grow up around and I imagine the ones who are there today dislike them as much as us (if not more).

Never had an issue with actual Mancunian, Man United fans. They're as passionate as the next set of supporters, it isn't their fault their local team is essentially a huge global brand and ultimately they suffer at the hands of that.

You can guarantee the bulk of those there today were from Manchester/Salford and they've certainly earned my respect actually mobilising in numbers, much larger than the attempted protests we've seen from the other big 6 and they've really put Liverpool to shame. Would have never expected to see a Premier League game being called off due to a fan protest, so fair play to 'em - let's hope something comes of it.
 
Tango1953 said:
Not only is this post more than a little patronising, it's also bollocks.

Brentford and Barnsley are both in the playoffs. Both having successful seasons with different approaches but both very much doing it without bankrupting themselves.
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I'll give you Barnsley -fair enough- but its a one off and their owners have a reported net worth of 9 billion dollars plus.
Brentford have been pushing for years but do it with the selling of their better players, then sticking the money back into the squad; so with respect that isn't being patronising at all.
I've no idea how clubs seem to get around financial fair play but Leeds lost over 60 million last time out, Wolves spent their entire 3 year allowance in one season, and both QPR and Leicester were taken to task for overspending.
Villa and Derby both used their stadia sales to bypass ffp so all in all I think on balance I've called it right.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
I don't have any hate - or love - for Man Utd or their supporters.

I also don't have any big problem with those who were protesting today but I am not of the opinion that they have a struck a blow for all football fans.
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Wasn’t that what we did during the Huddersfield game? And the fantastically co-ordinated protests in the years that followed? It wasn’t just about our club, it could (and is) happening elsewhere. Gary Neville summed it up perfectly: ‘a warning’. Our owners didn’t heed the warnings
 
Tango1953 said:
Not only is this post more than a little patronising, it's also bollocks.

Brentford and Barnsley are both in the playoffs. Both having successful seasons with different approaches but both very much doing it without bankrupting themselves.
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It doesn’t seem that long ago when Brentford were a lower league side going nowhere with an old ground. I enjoyed a few matches there back in the day. Now they are a well run club with a nice new stadium. Also take Brighton and Hove Albion as an other example of how things can change for the better.
 
Why has the anti Glazer stuff kicked off again now, after a long period of peace and quiet?
 
Somebody mentioned above that any protest would have been more effective if the Spurs fans had been on board tonight.

I couldn't agree more but thought that West Brom would have something ready for tomorrow night.

With the game now at 3 o'clock tomorrow, will the Utd lads be out tomorrow, will the Scousers join in or wait 'til there next home match, will something happen at all the games tomorrow ?

When will Covid be introduced to the debate ?
 
With the halt (temporary?) of the ESL I’m hoping this is a watershed moment in football as a whole. Hopefully today is the first shot in anger across the bows of the ‘franchise’ imposters in our game. It amazes me from what I’ve heard today on various media platforms, how many fans just don’t get what this protest was all about, the fans disagreeing with it seem only to think in the short term of the team performance, league position etc. By all accounts the Utd fans are planning more protests, let’s hope more of the franchise club fans take notice and join in! As Mark_GT says time to reset the dials!
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Somebody mentioned above that any protest would have been more effective if the Spurs fans had been on board tonight.

I couldn't agree more but thought that West Brom would have something ready for tomorrow night.

With the game now at 3 o'clock tomorrow, will the Utd lads be out tomorrow, will the Scousers join in or wait 'til there next home match, will something happen at all the games tomorrow ?

When will Covid be introduced to the debate ?
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Don't think it'd be a great idea for the Scousers to join in at United's ground, you could guarantee it'd end up kicking off and that diverts attention away from the actual issues at hand.
 
In the net said:
It doesn’t seem that long ago when Brentford were a lower league side going nowhere with an old ground. I enjoyed a few matches there back in the day. Now they are a well run club with a nice new stadium. Also take Brighton and Hove Albion as an other example of how things can change for the better.
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Brighton have had massive investment from their owner - think he's a very succesful professional gambler- and that was critical in getting the Amex constructed and moving onto the squad.
Lots of similar stories with promoted clubs but just being 'well run' doesn't cut it- it needs millions to make the jump.
 
Plumbs said:
I'll give you Barnsley -fair enough- but its a one off and their owners have a reported net worth of 9 billion dollars plus.
Brentford have been pushing for years but do it with the selling of their better players, then sticking the money back into the squad; so with respect that isn't being patronising at all.
I've no idea how clubs seem to get around financial fair play but Leeds lost over 60 million last time out, Wolves spent their entire 3 year allowance in one season, and both QPR and Leicester were taken to task for overspending.
Villa and Derby both used their stadia sales to bypass ffp so all in all I think on balance I've called it right.
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There owners can be worth trillions, if it's not been reflected in spending in the club, then it's irrelevant. As for then being a one off, when similar thing happen many times, then it isn't a one off.

As for Brentford investing, developing, selling then reinvesting, that's organic growth which the club has created, they aren't "bankrupting" themselves. That they've been pushing for years proves the process is repeatable and one year, maybe this, they'll jump that final hurdle.

As for teams bankrupting themselves, we beat a Peter Ridsdale led Cardiff City in the play off final, so that's nothing new either.

So all in all, yes, your orginal post was bollocks and was patronising, "things are different from when you were here last time".

No they aren't.
 
Sorry no real time for this protest today, so they are not happy with the owners (really the have won the Europa cup, back in the final, 2nd in the Premier, paying good money on players), they have pulled out of the new Super League. What is it they want?, when we protested it was because the owners milked the club and watched it plummet down the leagues. They have been seen causing damage inside the ground, again what is there problem🤔
 
Devonshire said:
Sorry no real time for this protest today, so they are not happy with the owners (really the have won the Europa cup, back in the final, 2nd in the Premier, paying good money on players), they have pulled out of the new Super League. What is it they want?, when we protested it was because the owners milked the club and watched it plummet down the leagues. They have been seen causing damage inside the ground, again what is there problem🤔
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None so blind as those that will not see
 
TangerinePeel said:
Don't think it'd be a great idea for the Scousers to join in at United's ground, you could guarantee it'd end up kicking off and that diverts attention away from the actual issues at hand.
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That's very true.

I just think they'll be missing out and will be desperate to get involved themselves.

"We'll show them feckin Mancs how to do a protest".
 
Devonshire said:
Sorry no real time for this protest today, so they are not happy with the owners (really the have won the Europa cup, back in the final, 2nd in the Premier, paying good money on players), they have pulled out of the new Super League. What is it they want?, when we protested it was because the owners milked the club and watched it plummet down the leagues. They have been seen causing damage inside the ground, again what is there problem🤔
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Jesus 🤦‍♂️
owners milking the club? The Glazers leveraged takeover of the club has cost the club approximately £1 billion in fees, interest and dividends. And they’re still mired in debt.
Do some research before posting
 
Tango1953 said:
There owners can be worth trillions, if it's not been reflected in spending in the club, then it's irrelevant. As for then being a one off, when similar thing happen many times, then it isn't a one off.

As for Brentford investing, developing, selling then reinvesting, that's organic growth which the club has created, they aren't "bankrupting" themselves. That they've been pushing for years proves the process is repeatable and one year, maybe this, they'll jump that final hurdle.

As for teams bankrupting themselves, we beat a Peter Ridsdale led Cardiff City in the play off final, so that's nothing new either.

So all in all, yes, your orginal post was bollocks and was patronising, "things are different from when you were here last time".

No they aren't.
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Things are different as for instance Brentford have been able to receive huge sums for say Maupay and Watkins, so in that respect they haven't gone/needed to go into debt.
Changes have been made at least twice to FFP since the Seasiders went up which have been hugely significant, and the stadia/ debt to equity etc have all played a part.

I appreciate that if a club can become a selling club they can maintain a challenge but that's not down to luck; its down to investment in a conveyor belt of young talent and is vastly helped by being situated in London or the bigger cities.

Sheff Weds are probably the best recent example of this where they heavily invested but had no back up financial plan.

Edit:-Brentford have sold around 100 million pound's worth of talent in the last five years.
 
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Bloodtangerine said:
None so blind as those that will not see
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I hear what you say here Blood and as we previously discussed, I don't know the thinking of todays protesters but I have just one question for you and I know it's hypothetical.

If United were 13 points clear in the Prem, were 2-1 up in the Champs League Semi against PSG with home leg to come and already won the League Cup (basically as per City) do you think there would have been a protest today ?

To be honest, I'd say not a cat-in-hells chance ?
 
Fully with 2020 on this thread.

Sky are definitely taking a stance because they weren’t invited to the party and there’s plenty of protesters who are just looking for something to do. The arsenal fans the other day turned up with crates and were clearly on the piss rather than genuinely wanting to protest.
 
Adams Kebab said:
Television fans will be complaining about this, they just don’t understand.

Saying that we did have a few moaning about the Huddersfield protest... “we’ll get docked points next season”... “this won’t change anything”... “it’s not the players fault”... and that was just Ian Chisnall.
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And that’s why I hate that prick Chizzy. Never forgive. Never forget
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
I hear what you say here Blood and as we previously discussed, I don't know the thinking of todays protesters but I have just one question for you and I know it's hypothetical.

If United were 13 points clear in the Prem, were 2-1 up in the Champs League Semi against PSG with home leg to come and already won the League Cup (basically as per City) do you think there would have been a protest today ?

To be honest, I'd say not a cat-in-hells chance ?
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Yes it’s hypothetical

here’s another ....do you think those protesting don’t know the club could be docked points potentially missing out on top 4?

we can all play the hypothetical game

But perhaps if the club was run correctly then United could be in that situation you mention regularly........and of course if the club was being run correctly no there wouldn’t be a protest
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Yep, much different to your average 'mushroom', he was in a position with his platform to back the boycott and didn't, in fact he went out of his way to criticise it, so he can go fuck himself, he's a prick.
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Described it as “much ado about t nothing” and labeled our fans “a disgrace.” Should’ve been sacked of for that, let alone being awful at his job
 
Bloodtangerine said:
Yes it’s hypothetical

here’s another ....do you think those protesting don’t know the club could be docked points potentially missing out on top 4?

we can all play the hypothetical game

But perhaps if the club was run correctly then United could be in that situation you mention regularly........and of course if the club was being run correctly no there wouldn’t be a protest
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Fair enough Blood.

I think there are plenty of factors, on field performance is certainly one and I guess we'll all have our own opinions on how much that factor was weighted by todays protesters.
 
TangerinePeel said:
Not sure if you noticed the news about a certain Super League a couple weeks ago Voyeur! 😉
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Er yeah, I did. Der!

They've just been very quiet for a long time. Don't you think? Very tolerant of their shocking owners. Suddenly it's all balaclavas and flares. Tossers.

I never tolerated the Oystons, Peel. 30 years of protest from me. 👍
 
voyeur said:
Er yeah, I did. Der!

They've just been very quiet for a long time. Don't you think? Very tolerant of their shocking owners. Suddenly it's all balaclavas and flares. Tossers.

I never tolerated the Oystons, Peel. 30 years of protest from me. 👍
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The ESL was clearly the catalyst for a new wave of protests. Protests tend to need something like that to provide fresh impetus, just because you haven't protested recently doesn't remove your right from doing it in the future.
 
Tango1953 said:
The ESL was clearly the catalyst for a new wave of protests. Protests tend to need something like that to provide fresh impetus, just because you haven't protested recently doesn't remove your right from doing it in the future.
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True. But a lot of football fans switch it on when it suits them. How many Blackpool fans were anti Oyston when they were actually robbing the club? Took a while didn't it? United fans are even worse, possibly.

I just hate football fans I think. The numbskull variety anyway. The knuckle draggers. 🤣
 
voyeur said:
True. But a lot of football fans switch it on when it suits them. How many Blackpool fans were anti Oyston when they were actually robbing the club? Took a while didn't it? United fans are even worse, possibly.

I just hate football fans I think. The numbskull variety anyway. The knuckle draggers. 🤣
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It did take a while, but better late than never. Besides both us and Man Utd had protested previously, years apart.

That said, I'm in Castlefield and had to nip to Tesco Stretford and there were plenty knuckle draggers. On this occasion though I'm on the side of the knuckle draggers rather than the venture capitalists though.
 
Tango1953 said:
It did take a while, but better late than never. Besides both us and Man Utd had protested previously, years apart.

That said, I'm in Castlefield and had to nip to Tesco Stretford and there were plenty knuckle draggers. On this occasion though I'm on the side of the knuckle draggers rather than the venture capitalists though.
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They're all players in the same load of bollocks. Let's be honest. All as bad as each other.
 
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