Mask wearing...

[Lost Seasider]

They dont work.Here is the proof.The only randomized clinical trial undertaken on face coverings.

0.3% difference.

In other words a total waste of time. Its fear porn.

That study was debunked here: https://www.covidfaq.co/Claim-A-Danish-study-shows-masks-don-t-work-e2bb579390ea4fed9802d8b2106ad7cd

The study only looked at benefits to mask wearer, didn't look at effects on spreading to others and was too small to draw any meaningful conclusions unless masks prevented at least 50% of infections.

 

[Matesrates]

Do W.H. Smiths have town centre shops now?

Motorway service station

 

[Lytham_fy8]

The thing with the unvaccinated is that they are cowards, not prepared to take the risk themselves and then depend on those brave enough to take on a few simple jabs and hide amongst us hoping that herd immunity will protect these softarses.

Absolutely spot on.

 

[Lytham_fy8]

I’m just hedging my bets, by having the injections I stand a better chance of making it to 83, when I get to 75 I’ll probably start going to Church to make sure I get the right set of gates after COVID gets me!

Go Catholic mate, do what the fuck you like all your life, get the last rites, sorted

 

[JJpool]

Without trawling through the thread, has anyone posted any factual information ( that isn’t spouted from a bullshit media source) regarding this new so called killer variant ?

Yes you can see here despite wearing his mask this guy is about to be minced by the virus.

Looks pretty scary, bigger then I thought too. No wonder masks do actually stop it.

 

[Bottle]

Go Catholic mate, do what the fuck you like all your life, get the last rites, sorted

Yes Lytham, beats being Methodist but not sure about the guilt thing and not sure that my Quaker roots count enough!

Anyway, going to Church is the vaccinations and a quick “I repent, I repent, I repent” on the deathbed is the booster!

 

[Trammo]

Do W.H. Smiths have town centre shops now?

Lots of town centre shops according to Google.

 

[Satsuma]

The thing with the unvaccinated is that they are cowards, not prepared to take the risk themselves and then depend on those brave enough to take on a few simple jabs and hide amongst us hoping that herd immunity will protect these softarses.

I think calling them 'cowards' is maybe going a bit far mate, as at the end of the day it's each to their own! However, my ex is a senior Nurse Practitioner at the Vic(one of only 6 I believe), a VERY experienced nurse of 34 years of qualified experience. My daughter(who's had Covid) is a specialist respiratory nurse at Vic...and my son's live-in girlfriend(who's also had Covid) is a junior sister on the baby unit. They ALL think it's absolute madness not to at least be vaccinated. Personally I'd rather trust healthcare professionals with a lot of experience than what Joe Bloggs on Facebook believes or is telling everyone...

 

[JJpool]

That study was debunked here: https://www.covidfaq.co/Claim-A-Danish-study-shows-masks-don-t-work-e2bb579390ea4fed9802d8b2106ad7cd

The study only looked at benefits to mask wearer, didn't look at effects on spreading to others and was too small to draw any meaningful conclusions unless masks prevented at least 50% of infections.

But the scientists / government were saying early in the pandemic the evidence suggested almost no benefit. Were they right then or now?

That was when we thought it spread mainly by bigger droplets from coughing etc too which can be caught by a mask.

How then, if it's spread more by aerosol, with tiny droplets, are masks that were no good against bigger droplets suddenly better against smaller ones?

Not to mention paper and cloth ones are poor, people not wearing them right etc. Places like Scotland having them and restrictions and faring worse.

 

[ForeverTangerine]

I’m just hedging my bets, by having the injections I stand a better chance of making it to 83, when I get to 75 I’ll probably start going to Church to make sure I get the right set of gates after COVID gets me!

When you die and you get to heavens gates, you can go on the piss with Jerry Yates

 

[Bottle]

I think calling them 'cowards' is maybe going a bit far mate, as at the end of the day it's each to their own! However, my ex is a senior Nurse Practitioner at the Vic(one of only 6 I believe), a VERY experienced nurse of 34 years of qualified experience. My daughter(who's had Covid) is a specialist respiratory nurse at Vic...and my son's live-in girlfriend(who's also had Covid) is a junior sister on the baby unit. They ALL think it's absolute madness not to at least be vaccinated. Personally I'd rather trust healthcare professionals with a lot of experience than what Joe Bloggs on Facebook believes or is telling everyone...

What other name do you have for people who stand at the back, take no “risks” themselves and allow everyone else to do the dirty work for them?

The majority of those in hospital Covid wards are the unvaccinated, so not only cowards but stupid cowards at that (excepting those unable to have jabs on medical grounds).

 

[Lost Seasider]

But the scientists / government were saying early in the pandemic the evidence suggested almost no benefit. Were they right then or now?

They have more information now.

Personally I suspect they're useful if used properly, but in the real world the benefit is likely marginal if people don't use them properly, particularly if they are treated as an alternative to other measures instead of as well as.

But then I'm not an expert, and I'm happy to follow the advice of those that are.

 

[Ormergod]

They have more information now.

Personally I suspect they're useful if used properly, but in the real world the benefit is likely marginal if people don't use them properly, particularly if they are treated as an alternative to other measures instead of as well as.

But then I'm not an expert, and I'm happy to follow the advice of those that are.

Clinical value of anal swab positive in COVID-19 patients | Chin. J. Microbiol. Immunol.;7(40): 489-494, 20200731. | COVIDWHO | ELSEVIER

pesquisa.bvsalud.org

 

[Macseasider]

Different year, same thread, same polarized views from the same polarized posters.

Just do whatever you want and live your own lives. No need to bleat on with the perpetual preaching.

 

[Lost Seasider]

Clinical value of anal swab positive in COVID-19 patients | Chin. J. Microbiol. Immunol.;7(40): 489-494, 20200731. | COVIDWHO | ELSEVIER

pesquisa.bvsalud.org

Whatever turns you on.

 

[Old_Laytonian]

I stopped wearing a mask when the Government told me I didn’t need to. I’ll comply now but don’t think it will make any difference. I’ve had my three jabs , work from home and socially distance. If any ** thinks because they are wearing a mask they can invade my space in the supermarket they’ll get an elbow in the ribs

 

[Lost Seasider]

What other name do you have for people who stand at the back, take no “risks” themselves and allow everyone else to do the dirty work for them?

Goalkeepers?

 

[Satsuma]

What other name do you have for people who stand at the back, take no “risks” themselves and allow everyone else to do the dirty work for them?

The majority of those in hospital Covid wards are the unvaccinated, so not only cowards but stupid cowards at that (excepting those unable to have jabs on medical grounds).

I agree with you on the whole mate, but using the word 'coward' is maybe a bit inflammatory. I've used worse in the last 20 months, but I'm trying to temper my reaction down a bit lately though, and not let it go into a full blown rant! . It is difficult though when you can't understand what appears totally illogical and stupid! The kind of thing Donald Trump would have said or advised during his Presidency! I've still not forgotten his comment about maybe ingesting bleach cos he thought it would knock Covid right out! . Then there's that other dickhead, Bolsonaro in Brazil. He thought that having the vaccine could possibly turn you into a crocodile FFS! . I remember having an argument/discussion with an American woman online last year. In the end she pissed me off so much that I told her to get in her car and go for a drive...but not to forget her 12th century map, in case she fell off the edge of the world. She never got back to me...

 

[Hazi]

 

[Scaramanga]

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

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What a load of Woke nonsense

 

[JJpool]

They have more information now.

Personally I suspect they're useful if used properly, but in the real world the benefit is likely marginal if people don't use them properly, particularly if they are treated as an alternative to other measures instead of as well as.

But then I'm not an expert, and I'm happy to follow the advice of those that are.

Plus people don't dispose of them or wash them. Could be a breeding ground for other things.

I feel sorry for the kids having to mask up in schools, imagine being that age and trying to have fun and learn about life and make friends etc, yet you can't see each others faces. Kids having big events cancelled that mean so much at that age.

All this for a 'new variant' that's seemingly less harmful than the last.

I can see why the government might do it as last time they got criticism for not acting so now they act and they get criticism, obviously when you have people calling for different things you can't please all.

But the difference is last time we weren't all jabbed and we now are. We have to live with this and there's no actual evidence this variant is bad.

What worrying is the media pressure to go harder with restrictions which is increasingly not relating to people's opinions. Even people who were really for it a year ago, now have largely had enough, but some aspects of the media seemingly haven't.

Probably has their best viewing figures ever and clicks etc.

 

[Lost Seasider]

I feel sorry for the kids having to mask up in schools, imagine being that age and trying to have fun and learn about life and make friends etc, yet you can't see each others faces. Kids having big events cancelled that mean so much at that age.

AFAIK that's the schools and the teaching unions and not the government.

I can see why the government might do it as last time they got criticism for not acting so now they act and they get criticism, obviously when you have people calling for different things you can't please all.

But the difference is last time we weren't all jabbed and we now are. We have to live with this and there's no actual evidence this variant is bad.

All they've mandated is masks in shops and public transport, it's a minor inconvenience at worst, and one that won't be strictly enforced anyway.

Personally I think it's a bit premature, but the experts seem to be worried, and on a cost/benefit basis if it helps avoid a more severe lockdown later it may be worth it.

 

[Old_Laytonian]

I went to the pub tonight and a nice orderly experience. Not overcrowded, screens in place between tables, you could order at your table via the app. However, I went to the toilet and a couple of blokes left without washing their hands. Thankfully they put on their masks when walking back to their tables. Phew

 

[JJpool]

AFAIK that's the schools and the teaching unions and not the government.




All they've mandated is masks in shops and public transport, it's a minor inconvenience at worst, and one that won't be strictly enforced anyway.

Personally I think it's a bit premature, but the experts seem to be worried, and on a cost/benefit basis if it helps avoid a more severe lockdown later it may be worth it.

These guys don't seem worried and speak a lot of sense.

New variant in South Africa

News outlets? Germany 65,000 cases per day UK 48,000 cases per day Holland. 22,000 cases per day South Africa 300 cases per day for the last 2 to 3 months. Do you think the variant isn’t in Europe already wherever it came from? It’s been identified in South Africa by the...

avftt.co.uk

Yeah but as we've seen by bringing back some minor restrictions the media latch on, people who are easily led are again fearful.

People cancelling Xmas restaurant bookings etc expecting the march to a lockdown.

Imo it wasn't all needed, was no need for any scare stories until there's something to be scared of. We knew new variants would emerged and infact it's ideal if it does and reduces severity.

Most the nation has long term immunity recognition of covid now, yes because of the change we may catch it, but the thing cells in our bodies should recognise the covid proteins that don't change when the virus mutates.

Surely that should have been the main point.

Instead we seem stuck in a media panic mode.

How will normality ever return when we act like this each time? We can never really be more vaccinated than now as you can only react and modify vaccines which takes time.

If not now for normality then when?

 

[Satsuma]

But the difference is last time we weren't all jabbed and we now are. We have to live with this and there's no actual evidence this variant is bad.

Yep we weren't all jabbed, and it's around 85% that are double jabbed now I think? . But the point that's being made and reinforced is that this new variant is causing a lot of concern in the professional medical community, and the efficacy of the vaccines against it. In a couple of weeks or so they reckon they'll know much more. So isn't it better to be safe than sorry, and put up with some mainly minor inconveniences until then?
Remember the first lockdown on March 23rd last year? Earlier in the month our s##t for brains PM was going to an international rugby match at Twickenham, which 80k people attended, walking around a hospital unmasked and shaking the hands of Covid patients, before allowing the Cheltenham horse racing festival to go ahead, which 250k attended over the week. Then the berk ended up quite seriously ill in hospital with Covid!. . Its widely accepted now that we didn't take the threat seriously and locked down weeks too late, costing the lives of thousands of people! We'd had plenty of opportunity to prepare as well, cos we'd been viewing the horrific footage from Italy a couple of weeks before....

 

[JJpool]

Yep we weren't all jabbed, and it's around 85% that are double jabbed now I think? . But the point that's being made and reinforced is that this new variant is causing a lot of concern in the professional medical community, and the efficacy of the vaccines against it. In a couple of weeks or so they reckon they'll know much more. So isn't it better to be safe than sorry, and put up with some mainly minor inconveniences until then?
Remember the first lockdown on March 23rd last year? Earlier in the month our s##t for brains PM was going to an international rugby match at Twickenham, which 80k people attended, walking around a hospital unmasked and shaking the hands of Covid patients, then allowing the Cheltenham horse racing festival to go ahead, which 250k attended over the week. Then the berk ended up quite seriously ill in hospital with Covid!. . Its widely accepted now that we didn't take the threat seriously and locked down weeks too late, costing the lives of thousands of people! We'd had plenty of opportunity to prepare as well, cos we'd been viewing the horrific footage from Italy a couple of weeks before....

So it's all about reactions at the wrong time? Should have reacted then and didn't, didn't need to react now and did?

I don't think all the experts have gone mad, some of our lot maybe, infact from the sounds of it from the sources as mentioned in the video I posted, in SA it seems to have been reported as lesser symptoms so should really be a positive but as usual people have jumped on it negatively.

I think we can see now when you put scientists in position of power they will always see worst case scenarios and just to be sure will want to cover their own backs.

But we cant keep having restrictions.

 

[glasshalffull]

‘But we cant keep having restrictions.’

I think most people would agree, but a three week very partial reintroduction, which doesn’t massively impact on most citizens or the economy, while they seek to learn more about what they are dealing with is pretty sensible.
Let’s hope the new variant turns out to be nothing much to deal with, but it is too early to know that yet.

 

[JJpool]

‘But we cant keep having restrictions.’

I think most people would agree, but a three week very partial reintroduction, which doesn’t massively impact on most citizens or the economy, while they seek to learn more about what they are dealing with is pretty sensible.
Let’s hope the new variant turns out to be nothing much to deal with, but it is too early to know that yet.

It's not done for any other reason than to cover their arses.

Boris etc will have thought if this does go wrong we'll get the blame so we better do something, so they do these minimal restrictions that won't hardly affect anything to be seen to be doing something.

Thats all it is.

SA aren't panicking and that tells us all we need to know.

 

[poolseasider]

‘But we cant keep having restrictions.’

I think most people would agree, but a three week very partial reintroduction, which doesn’t massively impact on most citizens or the economy, while they seek to learn more about what they are dealing with is pretty sensible.
Let’s hope the new variant turns out to be nothing much to deal with, but it is too early to know that yet.

Disagree these next 3 weeks are one of the most important times in retail and the mask wearing will put some off from going another nail in the coffin for the high street.

 

[Scaramanga]

Disagree these next 3 weeks are one of the most important times in retail and the mask wearing will put some off from going another nail in the coffin for the high street.

Correct, was due to go to Manchester for the night tomorrow, I’ve cancelled as I just can’t be arsed with it all.

 

[Satsuma]

So it's all about reactions at the wrong time? Should have reacted then and didn't, didn't need to react now and did?

I don't think all the experts have gone mad, some of our lot maybe, infact from the sounds of it from the sources as mentioned in the video I posted, in SA it seems to have been reported as lesser symptoms so should really be a positive but as usual people have jumped on it negatively.

I think we can see now when you put scientists in position of power they will always see worst case scenarios and just to be sure will want to cover their own backs.

But we cant keep having restrictions.

Yes we can't keep having restrictions, but equally we can't just leave things and see how they pan out, can we?! A 3 week course of partial restrictions seems completely fair and the sensible thing to do, until we know more about this new variant (imo). I find it incredulous that some are worried about Christmas shopping, the effect on retail or the travel industry tbh. What they really mean is it's inconveniencing THEM!

 

[poolseasider]

Yes we can't keep having restrictions, but equally we can't just leave things and see how they pan out, can we?! A 3 week course of partial restrictions seems completely fair and the sensible thing to do, until we know more about this new variant (imo). I find it incredulous that some are worried about Christmas shopping, the effect on retail or the travel industry tbh. What they really mean is it's inconveniencing THEM!

Says the person who was moaning about being in a pub/restaurant yesterday and no mask wearing which is utterly pointless anyway in an environment where you have to eat and drink.

Anyone can put up wearing a mask for a bit whilst you go to a supermarket but 3-4hrs+ going around shops no thanks.

We've just made Amazon even richer.

 

[Adams Kebab]

Yes we can't keep having restrictions, but equally we can't just leave things and see how they pan out, can we?! A 3 week course of partial restrictions seems completely fair and the sensible thing to do, until we know more about this new variant (imo). I find it incredulous that some are worried about Christmas shopping, the effect on retail or the travel industry tbh. What they really mean is it's inconveniencing THEM!

Dear oh dear. 20 months ffs!

It’s ok to preach if you don’t work in retail or the travel industry or hospitality or any other business that’s been dry bummed with nonsense restrictions.

And you call others selfish ha ha.

It’s only 3 weeks?! We had a shitty firebreak in November that was a complete waste of time.

 

[Scaramanga]

 

[Wizaard]

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What a load of Woke nonsense

I suspect it's fake to wind people up. £9,000 fine?

Utter nonsense.

 

[Wizaard]

Yep we weren't all jabbed, and it's around 85% that are double jabbed now I think? . But the point that's being made and reinforced is that this new variant is causing a lot of concern in the professional medical community, and the efficacy of the vaccines against it. In a couple of weeks or so they reckon they'll know much more. So isn't it better to be safe than sorry, and put up with some mainly minor inconveniences until then?
Remember the first lockdown on March 23rd last year? Earlier in the month our s##t for brains PM was going to an international rugby match at Twickenham, which 80k people attended, walking around a hospital unmasked and shaking the hands of Covid patients, before allowing the Cheltenham horse racing festival to go ahead, which 250k attended over the week. Then the berk ended up quite seriously ill in hospital with Covid!. . Its widely accepted now that we didn't take the threat seriously and locked down weeks too late, costing the lives of thousands of people! We'd had plenty of opportunity to prepare as well, cos we'd been viewing the horrific footage from Italy a couple of weeks before....

Many on here were denying it then and still are.

 

[Satsuma]

Says the person who was moaning about being in a pub/restaurant yesterday and no mask wearing which is utterly pointless anyway in an environment where you have to eat and drink.

Anyone can put up wearing a mask for a bit whilst you go to a supermarket but 3-4hrs+ going around shops no thanks.

We've just made Amazon even richer.

You tell me the difference between Covid in a pub, or Covid in a supermarket??? Around 50% of people are still wearing them in supermarkets, but NO ONE was wearing one, whilst walking around in The Elk at Poulton yesterday(eating and drinking though it's obviously impossible) . This despite the pub being a LOT busier than the supermarket . So does Covid magically disappear when alcohol is involved...or do people HAVE to be told something before they even consider complying with it?! . Answers on a postage stamp....

 

[Satsuma]

Dear oh dear. 20 months ffs!

It’s ok to preach if you don’t work in retail or the travel industry or hospitality or any other business that’s been dry bummed with nonsense restrictions.

And you call others selfish ha ha.

It’s only 3 weeks?! We had a shitty firebreak in November that was a complete waste of time.

I'm at least attempting to do the right thing. Not always getting it right admittedly, but at least attempting and showing I care, or are giving it some thought.
Sadly many aren't, it's all about 'me, me, me'.. I'm alright Jack and f### everyone else!
Yes I would call that attitude selfish...

 

[poolseasider]

You tell me the difference between Covid in a pub, or Covid in a supermarket??? Around 50% of people are still wearing them in supermarkets, but NO ONE was wearing one, whilst walking around in The Elk at Poulton yesterday(eating and drinking though it's obviously impossible) . This despite the pub being a LOT busier than the supermarket . So does Covid magically disappear when alcohol is involved...or do people HAVE to be told something before they even consider complying with it?! . Answers on a postage stamp....

Yep that's why it's a stupid rule that has just come in at the weekend I can go to the Gym,Library, cinema, theatre, concert, pub, restaurant any sporting event inside and out and not wear one put nip out to Aldi and you have to put a mask on.
Ridiculous.

 

[Satsuma]

Yep that's why it's a stupid rule that has just come in at the weekend I can go to the Gym,Library, cinema, theatre, concert, pub, restaurant any sporting event inside and out and not wear one put nip out to Aldi and you have to put a mask on.
Ridiculous.

Tbh it shouldn't need the government to TELL people on stuff like this...it's just commonsense...or should be!
I remember the end of that first lockdown last year. For 7 weeks it was marvellous, nothing on the roads etc. Then BJ took a lot of restrictions away and the next day the roads into town were rammed! People were sitting together on those picnic benches outside Central pier...no masks no gloves...nothing. I was thinking to myself... 'what has changed since yesterday, apart from Government guidelines?!' Covid was still massively about, but it's like people were waiting for dates they were told they could do things, instead of evidence!! Absolutely bizarre imo..

 

[glasshalffull]

Yep that's why it's a stupid rule that has just come in at the weekend I can go to the Gym,Library, cinema, theatre, concert, pub, restaurant any sporting event inside and out and not wear one put nip out to Aldi and you have to put a mask on.
Ridiculous.

At the very least if you are vulnerable to a potentially serious lung infection as a female relative of mine is, who has severe asthma and suffers from laryngial spasms, you can generally avoid pubs, restaurants and gyms, cinemas, concerts, theatres, libraries etc, but you can still shop and get to work with at least some protection.

 

[poolseasider]

Tbh it shouldn't need the government to TELL people on stuff like this...it's just commonsense...or should be!
I remember the end of that first lockdown last year. For 7 weeks it was marvellous, nothing on the roads etc. Then BJ took a lot of restrictions away and the next day the roads into town were rammed! People were sitting together on those picnic benches outside Central pier...no masks no gloves...nothing. I was thinking to myself... 'what has changed since yesterday, apart from Government guidelines?!' Covid was still massively about, but it's like people were waiting for dates they were told they could do things, instead of evidence!! Absolutely bizarre imo..

That's why mask wearing shouldn't be mandatory I wouldn't mind if they worked look at the evidence of our neighbours in Wales and Scotland where it has been law to carry on with them similar infection rates sometimes higher and that's been going on for over 3 months!

 

[Satsuma]

That's why mask wearing shouldn't be mandatory I wouldn't mind if they worked look at the evidence of our neighbours in Wales and Scotland where it has been law to carry on with them similar infection rates sometimes higher and that's been going on for over 3 months!

Oh I give up!
I'm just banging my head against a brick wall here...
UTP

 

[JJpool]

Yes we can't keep having restrictions, but equally we can't just leave things and see how they pan out, can we?! A 3 week course of partial restrictions seems completely fair and the sensible thing to do, until we know more about this new variant (imo). I find it incredulous that some are worried about Christmas shopping, the effect on retail or the travel industry tbh. What they really mean is it's inconveniencing THEM!

If it is just 3 weeks it's not the end of the world but will have minimal effect in spread.

It does affect though consumer confidence. We've seen that already with cancellations.

We have the lockdown loving mainstream media pressing Boris as to why we aren't going harder.

You can bet when cases rise, just infections even if it is way more mild the pressure will increase.

At the end of the day this is just the government and scientists covering their arses, as if it did go wrong they'd be blamed. It's just to be seen to be doing something.

 

[JJpool]

Oh I give up!
I'm just banging my head against a brick wall here...
UTP

Hang on, you give up when evidence is presented?

People always ask for real world evidence.

You have it there in Scotland and Wales and it made no difference at all.

 

[Lost Seasider]

Hang on, you give up when evidence is presented?

People always ask for real world evidence.

You have it there in Scotland and Wales and it made no difference at all.

Confounding variables

 

[1966_and_all_that]

What if, as radical as this sounds, you didn’t wear a mask, didn’t get the jabs and didn’t end up dead or in hospital?

What’s the view then?

A hindsight one.

 

[Scaramanga]

A hindsight one.

I know a few

 

[JJpool]

New Covid isolation laws to stay until March - with £10k fine for rule break

The goverment is due to review the newly introduced Covid measures in three weeks, just before Christmas

www-nationalworld-com.cdn.ampproject.org

So is this cause for concern? .... isolation until March?

Double triple jabbed it doesn't matter, 10 days isolation. Casuing more chaos to businesses and supply chains etc.

Yet we don't know anything about this variant and it's from info, more likely less lethal.