Yes and they have been outstanding haven’t they?Not according to the scientists who are advising our government!
What about Denmark, Poland & Germany who also border them? I am guessing Germany are still in a decent position as they know how to actually test their population.You can only compare like with like - so comparing Sweden with its neighbours is the way to go.
Based on figures today.
Sweden:
Confirmed 87,885 +310
Deaths 5,864 +4
Norway:
Confirmed 12,499+106
Deaths 266 +1
Finland:
Confirmed
8,799 +49
Deaths 339
Not on those figures. Long term maybe?
Ask the question in 5 years.
So is Sweden, that may be a part of the reason for their good figuresWhat about Denmark, Poland & Germany who also border them? Finland and Norway are very low population density countries.
Just gone like for like in terms of population, demography - rural living. Norway being the most obvious comparison. Denmark could be added quite rightly to the listWhat about Denmark, Poland & Germany who also border them? I am guessing Germany are still in a decent position as they know how to actually test their population.
Finland and Norway are very low population density countries.
It means as a per capita that Sweden has probably half of our deaths per capita roughly.
about 15 years ago i was doing a lot of work in Sweden so was going out there every couple of weeks and spending 4 or 5 days ata time there. Their whole cultural model is different to the UK, community is still a thing or was (in fifteen years it may have changed but i doubt it). Communal living is not some alien concept for hippies and because community is valued personal responsibillity is taken more seriously.
Also the country is quite small population wise, and when you look at countries with small populations they tend to be better governed and managed, and they have fared better with COVID than most countries. There are exceptions to that rule such as Israel, another country i have spent a lot of time in, which on every level is a clusterf*** and so it seems with Covid.
5 live were saying that there is very little extended family living in Sweden, with nearly 50% of the population in Stockholm in single person households. Much less chance of widespread contamination.about 15 years ago i was doing a lot of work in Sweden so was going out there every couple of weeks and spending 4 or 5 days ata time there. Their whole cultural model is different to the UK, community is still a thing or was (in fifteen years it may have changed but i doubt it). Communal living is not some alien concept for hippies and because community is valued personal responsibillity is taken more seriously.
Also the country is quite small population wise, and when you look at countries with small populations they tend to be better governed and managed, and they have fared better with COVID than most countries. There are exceptions to that rule such as Israel, another country i have spent a lot of time in, which on every level is a clusterf*** and so it seems with Covid.
I read that somewhere else recently as well, but people generally have been using bars and restaurants all the time. But i suppose if someone is contagious it means that once they know they can isolate properly. the UK is doing alsmost double the tests per capita of sweden which also might be throwing some false numbers into the mix.5 live were saying that there is very little extended family living in Sweden, with nearly 50% of the population in Stockholm in single person households. Much less chance of widespread contamination.
If you can show any evidence that compliance from the population had any impact at all then because from the data it shows the moment the population and NHS began complying with government measures the deaths increased massively.Miko nails it for me. It’s about compliance from the population and as a country we’re just not very good at that.
Absolutely cruzzer, the best thing they’ve done is sh!t everyone up!Yes and they have been outstanding haven’t they?
It isnt confirmed that its a respitory disease, the latest reading seems to point towards it being more cardiovascular and also related to reduction in T cells, which has an effect on the whole immune system. The Government didnt react for a very long time, Italy and Spain were already deep in crisis before the UK acted. Isolation did flatten the curve, and we have seen numerous incidences where there have been spikes of the virus in places where large numbers of people were not compliant.If you can show any evidence that compliance from the population had any impact at all then because from the data it shows the moment the population and NHS began complying with government measures the deaths increased massively.
We should also see evidence of other respiratory diseases falling if this is the case.
Because their higher death rate than their neighbours would indicate they haven't got it right?Not many well done Sweden you got it right posts here. It seems some are incapable of posting something positive.
But with respect you are just giving a statement. Why are the government not showing us evidence that the measures they are taking have had an effect.It isnt confirmed that its a respitory disease, the latest reading seems to point towards it being more cardiovascular and also related to reduction in T cells, which has an effect on the whole immune system. The Government didnt react for a very long time, Italy and Spain were already deep in crisis before the UK acted. Isolation did flatten the curve, and we have seen numerous incidences where there have been spikes of the virus in places where large numbers of people were not compliant.
Just seen on the news that Bojo is thinking of introducing a new national lockdown to co-incide with the school holidays, either a lockdown is required in which case it needs to happen immediately or it doesnt need to happen. Waiting until a holiday period because it will be more convenient or better economically or some other bull5h17 is just f*****g insanity. Going back to the Sweden thing that is the difference between them and much of the rest of the world in that they dont generally have insane people pushing insane ideas running the country.
I rest my caseBecause their higher death rate than their neighbours would indicate they haven't got it right?
Im not sure if your observation & communal living theory is wholly accurate though?about 15 years ago i was doing a lot of work in Sweden so was going out there every couple of weeks and spending 4 or 5 days ata time there. Their whole cultural model is different to the UK, community is still a thing or was (in fifteen years it may have changed but i doubt it). Communal living is not some alien concept for hippies and because community is valued personal responsibillity is taken more seriously.
Also the country is quite small population wise, and when you look at countries with small populations they tend to be better governed and managed, and they have fared better with COVID than most countries. There are exceptions to that rule such as Israel, another country i have spent a lot of time in, which on every level is a clusterf*** and so it seems with Covid.
Don't think you've made a case at all, what with them having a much higher death rate than the rest of ScandinaviaI rest my case
Don't think you've made a case at all, what with them having a much higher death rate than the rest of Scandinavia
All the stats are here;
before Lost Seasider asksCoronavirus Update (Live): 136,643,191 Cases and 2,949,419 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer
Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...www.worldometers.info
The question was saying how well Sweden had done. I begged to differ.If that is your only measure, aren't the highest death rates in the whole world found in (strict and early lockdowns) Belgium and Peru?
I'm asking the question but already know the answer btw.
like i said i had seen that stat, and said that it might be a good reason why they have not had a massive social crisis, but saying that they do have a death rate which is approaching that of the UK so unless the figures are wrong it isnt quite as good as i would expect bearing in mind my own experiences of the more socially / community orientated nature of the country. It might be that they accept the risk of death in a way that most nations do not and therefore continuing normality is more important.Im not sure if your observation & communal living theory is wholly accurate though?
I believe Sweden has a higher percentage of single people living in households than most Countries.
I certainly take your point that that Swedes may feel more communal in their attitudes towards each other though. So in that respect they have more of a 'we are in this together' community vibe.
Edit:
Here ya go more than 50% of Swedish households are single person dwellings. The Highest in the EU
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20190821-why-so-many-young-swedes-live-alone
Fair dos. Sweden failed to sufficiently protect their care homes. Anders Tegnell has said as much. I don't think a country exists out there that has got this 100% right. For predicting how it would all pan out, the Swedes have been bob on from the start though. And because they haven't scared their own populace silly, they don't need to continually chase their own tail hyping up the threat level every two minutes.The question was saying how well Sweden had done. I begged to differ.
You can only see negatives, there’s positives in the story but you just refuse to acknowledge them.Don't think you've made a case at all, what with them having a much higher death rate than the rest of Scandinavia
Have you got a reference for that comment, can you justify it?Ahhhhhh.............. Worldometer, one of the more questionable stats sites.
Very good questions Scara.I would ask some questions from the negirati on here.
1) What would you of done back in March (without knowing what was really coming)
2) How would you of managed the economy better than Rishi Sunak.
3) Faced with being incredibly poorly with Covid and having Brexit to cope with and a new born baby, how would you of managed knowing your own fitnesss capability
4) Would you of listened to the pandemic experts as the government did and take their advice or would you of looked to another countries ideas on coping.
5) What would you do under the current situation ? Would you lock down again and if so how would you pay for this ?
6) If you decided on another lockdown why, we locked down for a long time and we’re thinking of doing it again, it didn’t really work the first time only slowed the inevitable.
only sensible and fact based answers please and save the abuse for Mex, BRR2 and Olygon.
No mex, no switcheroo just answer the question first, then I will answer.Very good questions Scara.
What would you have done in March?
What would you do now?
Not seeing a positive in 945,000 deaths worldwide. My bad.You can only see negatives, there’s positives in the story but you just refuse to acknowledge them.
Thought we were talking about Sweden, once again searching for another negative, I posted the survival rates across Europe the other day that were around 99,986% and you still found a negative with that. I suggest you need some light in your life mate.Not seeing a positive in 945,000 deaths worldwide. My bad.
1. Back in March I said we should implement a total lockdown, including a complete shutdown of anyone coming into the country and not the half arsed thing we did do.Very good questions Scara.
What would you have done in March?
What would you do now?
Sweden has one of the highest death rates in Europe. That's not a positive.Thought we were talking about Sweden, once again searching for another negative, I posted the survival rates across Europe the other day that were around 99,986% and you still found a negative with that. I suggest you need some light in your life mate.
1. Back in March I said we should implement a total lockdown, including a complete shutdown of anyone coming into the country and not the half arsed thing we did do.
2. I don't have an issue with what Sunak has done. Don't think he could have done much more, following Labour's economic policies.
What's that high pitched whistle?Are you still trying to convince yourself of that utter rubbish Wiz? Come to think of it, what are Labour's policies under Sir Kier the Kneeler? All I ever hear from him is criticism but very little in the way of alternatives. Very negative. A bit like some posters on this board
You have asked the questions so here goes.I would ask some questions from the negirati on here.
1) What would you of done back in March (without knowing what was really coming)
2) How would you of managed the economy better than Rishi Sunak.
3) Faced with being incredibly poorly with Covid and having Brexit to cope with and a new born baby, how would you of managed knowing your own fitnesss capability
4) Would you of listened to the pandemic experts as the government did and take their advice or would you of looked to another countries ideas on coping.
5) What would you do under the current situation ? Would you lock down again and if so how would you pay for this ?
6) If you decided on another lockdown why, we locked down for a long time and we’re thinking of doing it again, it didn’t really work the first time only slowed the inevitable.
only sensible and fact based answers please and save the abuse for Mex, BRR2 and Olygon.
So Labour government would guarantee a full wage to everyone not in work? No wonder they've been in opposition for so long!What's that high pitched whistle?
Nationalisation of the railways. Tick
Guaranteed full wage when not in work. Tick
Subsidy of struggling industries. Tick
Massive infrastructure projects to boost the failing economy. Tick
Where were they in the Tory manifesto?
When you get back you'll find Corbyn hasn't been in any sense of leadership for 9 months. Stop referring to him. It's completely irrelevant.So Labour government would guarantee a full wage to everyone not in work? No wonder they've been in opposition for so long!
And we've been down this route so many times, but I'll say it again in the vain hope you can grasp it. These are extraordinary times, calling for extraordinary policies. You still haven't got it though have you? You just bang on about the Government using Labour policies as if these are ordinary times. No government would use these policies in ordinary times, not even a hard left Labour government under that lunatic Corbyn.
Anyway, I'm off for a pint and I hope it's sunk in by the time I get back. I won't be holding my breath.
As I suspected you still haven’t got itWhen you get back you'll find Corbyn hasn't been in any sense of leadership for 9 months. Stop referring to him. It's completely irrelevant.