Mob rule

20togo said:
mmm... I reckon Hampstead Heath is part of Hampstead which Shandypants was using to make point. And was the first to do so. Apart from saying I had a walk round Hampstead Heath all my other references have been to Hampstead.
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Serious question, have you ever cruised around Clapham Common?
 
1966_and_all_that said:
In that there are extremists in our society who wear left/right wing labels (Socialist Workers Party, EDL, etc) then yes, of course there are hateful, threatening and offensive messages that emanate from across the political spectrum. I alluded to that in my post at #10. Where this leads to violent mob activity, it has to be dealt with. But, that is not mob rule. We have Rule of Law in this country and yes, it is tested, frequently and in many different ways. However, where we have government by the left, (local, county and metropolitan authorities), it is carried out by the mainstream parties I have mentioned. As for them allowing extremists in, I'm sorry but I think you are very wide of the mark.
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Of course.

We've seen extremists or wronguns arrive due to weak policies and rules. Only the other day we had that lunatic who threw alkaline over a woman and slammed her daughter to the ground multiple times, he shouldn't have been here and wouldn't in a society with proper rules and values.

Funny you mention the EDL, they wouldn't even have started if the police and politicians didn't ignore genuine issues raised, out of fear of the reaction, being called racist and suppress genuine concerns about extremism on show, happy to label people instead, as well as blatent 2 tier policing, as shown in the Oxford union video I posted on the Anderson thread. The extreme element they opposed seemed to come after Blair went into Iraq... another disaster in many different ways.
 
I can't remember the last time I felt unsafe walking the streets of this country.

I know some of this is down to being a big man (that's a physical description btw!) but most violence in this country is gang related and domestics; after that there is a very low chance of being involved in anything.

I reckon most of us on here wouldn't feel remotely concerned if we stumbled across a pro Hamas rally, a pro Palestine rally, a pro Israel, Just Stop Oil protest, Vegan etc etc; it would be no more intimidating than our own Judgement Day stuff - which were brilliant.

Mob rule isn't happening.
 
JJpool said:
Of course.

We've seen extremists or wronguns arrive due to weak policies and rules. Only the other day we had that lunatic who threw alkaline over a woman and slammed her daughter to the ground multiple times, he shouldn't have been here and wouldn't in a society with proper rules and values.

Funny you mention the EDL, they wouldn't even have started if the police and politicians didn't ignore genuine issues raised, out of fear of the reaction, being called racist and suppress genuine concerns about extremism on show, happy to label people instead, as well as blatent 2 tier policing, as shown in the Oxford union video I posted on the Anderson thread. The extreme element they opposed seemed to come after Blair went into Iraq... another disaster in many different ways.
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Let's go with your analysis then. Who is going to step up and create the sort of society that you say will keep us all safe from these extremists?
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Let's go with your analysis then. Who is going to step up and create the sort of society that you say will keep us all safe from these extremists?
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The only party that I'd vote for right now is reform, with strong leadership, although as with any other party than the main 2, it's nigh on impossible to get in with the system we have.

Conservatives are a in crisis and not going to win.

Labour are Labour, a bit of a mess in some ways, one of their back benchers couldn't even say what they stood for the other day, it was pathetic. Starmer isn't strong, flip flops constantly. But it'll likely be him so he better step up.

Can't say I'm confident, but I won't be attacking everything they do like some do to the tories just because they hate them, I'll see how it pans out.
 
Its just a pathetic smokescreen put up by a desperate Sunak who sees oblivion been blamed on him and not been able to deal with the massively racist factions in his own party. Its not worthy of proper debate.
 
JJpool said:
The left is squarely to blame for this, far too soft and like in Rotherham, facilitated terrible crimes against young girls and failed to call it our our of fear of being called racist. The left has a lot to answer for.
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And there was I thinking that, across many towns, it was the police who turned a blind eye to exploitation of vulnerable girls and did not investigate properly, despite social workers raising these issues with them? The police deemed it due to the girls’ “lifestyles”, didn’t they? I must have misremembered then.
 
Archibald Knox said:
And there was I thinking that, across many towns, it was the police who turned a blind eye to exploitation of vulnerable girls and did not investigate properly, despite social workers raising these issues with them? The police deemed it due to the girls’ “lifestyles”, didn’t they? I must have misremembered then.
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That's a bit disengenous.

At the top of the police it's all politics.

Community Cohesion was a pillar of the Blair government, there was also the Lawrence enquiry and this back drop interfered with the policing.

I was working in the midst of some of this stuff back then and people like Barnardo's with their Sexual Exploitation of Children on the Streets (SECOS) could not have tried harder to both protect the girls and push for prosecutions.

It didn't fit the narrative of cultural diversity being good due to the religious and ethnic backgrounds of the perpetrators.

I would hope we've moved on, but as threads on here often show, there is a reluctance to accept what happened lays squarely at the feet of those rapists and the enablers who put political ideals above children's safety.
 
I think that his words were mainly playing up to the media with an election around the corner.
There are ,however, some legimate areas of concern. Firstly, when MPs own homes and families are targeted by demonstrators / mobs and when some of their local surgery offices have been burned out or vandalised.
Secondly, the face to face and online threats and abuse that MPs of different political persuasions have been facing (the reason given by the Speaker saying he broke with normal protocol on the recent Parliamentary vote). And two MPs in recent years have been killed when just doing their jobs.
Thirdly, whilst the majority of the mass protesters in London are peaceful and lawful, the impact of social media communications has often caused all sorts of different factions to attend and sometimes those are violent or destructive or abusive. Social media seems to whip to up hatred. Even some largely peaceful protesters, such as Just Stop Oil, seem to think to acceptable to stop tube trains, block roads, vandalise and invade property, and stop people from going about their normal activity. I wouldn't fancy policing some of these activities, but the police and courts do seem inept, ineffective or inactive at times. Mind you, the Met seem incompetent in even properly vetting recruits to their ranks.
And all of the above is about trying to bully or force people to their point of view. Is that reached the threshold of mob rule? Perhaps not, but it still not acceptable.
 
TSSeasider said:
That's a bit disengenous.

At the top of the police it's all politics.

Community Cohesion was a pillar of the Blair government, there was also the Lawrence enquiry and this back drop interfered with the policing.

I was working in the midst of some of this stuff back then and people like Barnardo's with their Sexual Exploitation of Children on the Streets (SECOS) could not have tried harder to both protect the girls and push for prosecutions.

It didn't fit the narrative of cultural diversity being good due to the religious and ethnic backgrounds of the perpetrators.

I would hope we've moved on, but as threads on here often show, there is a reluctance to accept what happened lays squarely at the feet of those rapists and the enablers who put political ideals above children's safety.
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Spot on.
 
Lala said:
I feel a lot safer in London than I did in New York that’s for sure.

I have no experience of the suburbs so can’t really comment on the OP directly. I do think that London is an amazing city though, yep, best in the world for me 👌
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Yes, best in the world for me but with problems LALA, regardless of who is responsible for the problems.

Have a good day/weekend everybody.
 
bfcpete said:
I think that his words were mainly playing up to the media with an election around the corner.
There are ,however, some legimate areas of concern. Firstly, when MPs own homes and families are targeted by demonstrators / mobs and when some of their local surgery offices have been burned out or vandalised.
Secondly, the face to face and online threats and abuse that MPs of different political persuasions have been facing (the reason given by the Speaker saying he broke with normal protocol on the recent Parliamentary vote). And two MPs in recent years have been killed when just doing their jobs.
Thirdly, whilst the majority of the mass protesters in London are peaceful and lawful, the impact of social media communications has often caused all sorts of different factions to attend and sometimes those are violent or destructive or abusive. Social media seems to whip to up hatred. Even some largely peaceful protesters, such as Just Stop Oil, seem to think to acceptable to stop tube trains, block roads, vandalise and invade property, and stop people from going about their normal activity. I wouldn't fancy policing some of these activities, but the police and courts do seem inept, ineffective or inactive at times. Mind you, the Met seem incompetent in even properly vetting recruits to their ranks.
And all of the above is about trying to bully or force people to their point of view. Is that reached the threshold of mob rule? Perhaps not, but it still not acceptable.
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Good post. Your point about social media is why I suggested that that was where the Government should be looking first in order to moderate behaviour.
 
2 suspects on the loose last night after a shooting Police saying 2 riders on a moped fired a shot gun through a shop window injuring a person.

In an unrelated incident last night 2 women were injured and needed hospital treatment police continuing investigations.

Surely this isn’t the London that gun crime is dropping and it’s such a lovely place to visit and no one ever sees any violence anymore? 🤷‍♂️
 
basilrobbie3 said:
I've seen a few people trying to score left versus right points in the last day or two, which is an utterly puerile argument.

Intolerance and bigotry look exactly the same, regardless of where they are on the political spectrum.
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I tend to agree…polarisation is rife. Perhaps it always has been thus and the internet has intensified it greatly because people are after all only people as they always have been surely?
 
Bloodtangerine said:
I tend to agree…polarisation is rife. Perhaps it always has been thus and the internet has intensified it greatly because people are after all only people as they always have been surely?
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I think it’s very noticeable when you aren’t polarised as such yourself.

Puts me right off.
 
Lala said:
I think it’s very noticeable when you aren’t polarised as such yourself.

Puts me right off.
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Lala said:
I think it’s very noticeable when you aren’t polarised as such yourself.

Puts me right off.
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I read up in The Times, Telegraph, Guardian and other sources most days listening to many opinion pieces and the one thing that strikes me constantly is the massive division in opinion (which is very wide but perhaps understandable) But mainly the total lack of compromise in seeing or tolerating a different opinion at all …..closed minds make for problematical situations and no solutions
 
And btw my natural position is centre right, I’m a traditionalist But I accept that at 57 I’m speaking from an older perspective and it ain’t my World to run so I have to counsel myself sometimes
 
CAGU said:
Yes parts of it are great, I used to have a flat in Marylebone which was like a village community, but believe me, most parts of London suburbs are no go areas these days. Especially at night.
I suppose it’s the same or worse in most of our big cities and towns these days
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What a load of bullshit.
 
As are the mayors in the rest of the country. Knife crime is everywhere. I noticed that you lived in the salubrious ghetto of Marylebone, it must have left you scarred.
 
Matesrates said:
That’s what Rishi says is happening, especially in London, is he right?
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I think it's quite disengenuous to be honest. The Tories have absolutely flirted with 'the mob' themselves.

Galloway is a proper knob but ultimately, when the ruling party is willing to align itself to extremism or populism or whatever you call it of one form, to then start whining that other people are doing it is all a bit pathetic.

Political standards have fallen hugely. I'm frankly sick of a political system which seems to be one massive game for many in which you do whatever you think wins headlines and attention and to hell with the consequences or what is actually in the interests of the country.
 
thedevilsadvocate said:
As are the mayors in the rest of the country. Knife crime is everywhere. I noticed that you lived in the salubrious ghetto of Marylebone, it must have left you scarred.
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No need to get personal
I live in the salubrious ghetto called Cambridge - is that a problem for you too?
Just to balance the books I was brought up on Dinmore Avenue, Grange Park, another salubrious ghetto!
 
CAGU said:
No need to get personal
I live in the salubrious ghetto called Cambridge - is that a problem for you too?
Just to balance the books I was brought up on Dinmore Avenue, Grange Park, another salubrious ghetto!
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Not getting personal at all. I've lived in London for 40 years and never experienced these terrifying areas. Where did you go out of curiousity ?
 
I think Galloway will have his work cut out to win Rochdale again in the General Election, but if he does it will probably signal something more significant is going on in parts of the electorate in England at least.
It seems he hasn’t paid very much attention to constituency matters, or to Parliament either, in his previous time representing people in the North of England.
 
glasshalffull said:
I think Galloway will have his work cut out to win Rochdale again in the General Election, but if he does it will probably signal something more significant is going on in parts of the electorate in England at least.
It seems he hasn’t paid very much attention to constituency matters, or to Parliament either, in his previous time representing people in the North of England.
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I don’t think he’s a chance in hell of winning personally.
Labour will put up another Muslim candidate for the general election only this time though he’ll be free of any anti Semitic views and know when to keep his gob shut.
I think he’ll win back the majority of the Muslim vote from Galloway and the true labour supporters who obviously dropped Azhar Ali like a stone after the Labour Party dropped him.
 
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Jaffa_The_Hut said:
I don’t think he’s a chance in hell of winning personally.
Labour will put up another Muslim candidate for the general election only this time though he’ll be free of any anti Semitic views and know when to keep his gob shut.
I think he’ll win back the majority of the Muslim vote from Galloway and the true labour supporters who obviously dropped Azhar Ali like a stone after the Labour Party dropped him.
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It will depend on what is happening in the Muslim world at the time.

Galloway has potentially loads of time to not only cement his status amongst the Umma, but also champion Rochdale's long suffering irrelevant white class.

If turnout is low (which it could well be given the disillusionment) he could get in again.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
2 suspects on the loose last night after a shooting Police saying 2 riders on a moped fired a shot gun through a shop window injuring a person.

In an unrelated incident last night 2 women were injured and needed hospital treatment police continuing investigations.

Surely this isn’t the London that gun crime is dropping and it’s such a lovely place to visit and no one ever sees any violence anymore? 🤷‍♂️
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Apparently the shotgun was dropped and went off accidentally, hitting two people.

Dropping means fewer than last year, not eradicated.
 
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