Mother Nature says…

[1966_and_all_that]

I don't think there's anything wrong with looking at where obvious scaremongering is used or where predictions were made and were completely false.

I'd be interested to know how things like el nino and la nina are affecting things.

I'd also be interested to know from genuine scientists who, not maybe don't agree, but don't maybe agree with the timescales often presented. Sadly it seems we hear very little from those who aren't fully onboard with all aspects of it.

It's also if we can do anything to stop any changes anyway, especially in the UK being a tiny amount of global emissions. Infact the world could go net zero but if China, India, Russia and the US let's say all didn’t, they would make up a huge amount of global emissions still.

I think we should all be skeptical when we are presented with the hottest day in this country and it turns out it was under very questionable conditions. It was very hot yhrn so not sure the need to get info that's affected by outside factors.

For things like sea level rise, its still unknown how quickly that would happen and how long before it would be devastating. There may be some slightly positive news for the north west area, as I've posted before it seems there may still be...Glacial isostatic rebound...

Basically the land that was compressed by the ice then returns to normal over many many thousands of years. Apparently we're still rising.

Blackpool and fylde underwater by 2050...?

Here's something I bet people haven't factored in. Glacial isostatic rebound... and takes many thousands of years. "Post-glacial rebound is the rise of land masses after the removal of the huge weight of ice sheets during the last glacial period, which had caused isostatic depression."...

avftt.co.uk

The world will not die because of climate change. It will be humanity and many of the other species that will bite the dust.

 

[JJpool]

The world will not die because of climate change. It will be humanity and many of the other species that will bite the dust.

Why will we bite the dust, out of interest? That's a bit end of the world cult think, even if the very worst happened, humanity wouldn't be wiped out.

 

[1966_and_all_that]

Why will we bite the dust, out of interest? That's a bit end of the world cult think, even if the very worst happened, humanity wouldn't be wiped out.

Yes it will. Vast swathes of inhabited parts of the world will become uninhabitable. Wars will start because of it and I suspect, nuclear weapons will do the rest.

 

[JJpool]

Yes it will. Vast swathes of inhabited parts of the world will become uninhabitable. Wars will start because of it and I suspect, nuclear weapons will do the rest.

 

[1966_and_all_that]

I'll pick it up later.

 

[Levi501]

Greta arrested again, keep up the protests girl, keep all these old fart arse gits frothing. It’s yours and your contemporaries world now!

 

[Lytham_fy8]

The biggest eco nut I've ever met used to be an ex-colleague. He would commute into Blackpool from Lancaster every day. When I asked him, genuinely curious, as to why he didn't take the very simple step (which would also save him time and money) of working in his home town, he was stumped.

You showed him! Have a badge.

 

[JJpool]

ROSS CLARK: Climate change is real. But prophets of doom ignore truths

ROSS CLARK: Was there anything more ludicrous during last week's European heatwave than the BBC's climate editor travelling from London to Spain (and back again) to report on temperatures?

www.dailymail.co.uk

BBC Climate Editor back home... from 1,800-MILE Spain jaunt by plane

The BBC was accused of hypocrisy after its Climate Editor Justin Rowlatt, 57, jetted off to Spain to report on its heatwave - which he blamed on carbon emissions.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

You showed him! Have a badge.

Certainly did... I bet the wanker doesn't sit at home in the pitch black freezing to death and starving himself throughout the winter either ... I mean what a ** hypocritical bastard actually going to work every day AND caring about the environment... The long haired, joint toking hard working mother fucker.

Did you know Greta Thunderbird travels to places by an aeroplane by the way?

 

[Levi501]

Certainly did... I bet the wanker doesn't sit at home in the pitch black freezing to death and starving himself throughout the winter either ... I mean what a ** hypocritical bastard actually going to work every day AND caring about the environment... The long haired, joint toking hard working mother fucker.

Did you know Greta Thunderbird travels to places by an aeroplane by the way?

What an hippocrit that Gertie woman is, I woodnt mind she’s not even fit!

 

[TSSeasider]

Makes me laugh some of this stuff

Oil, gas and coal obviously sequestrated CO2 during the period of growth of whatever plant it used to be.

We are releasing the sequestrated CO2 as we use it.

The difference is it took millions of years to store it and a century or so to release it.

It will increase the saturation levels of CO2 in the atmosphere.

Whether, they are record levels, whether we can live with and mitigate it, are entirely different questions.

I'm guessing as the most technologically advanced species to exist in the history of our planet - we will.

And of course there are other factors in play such as apparent historic climate cycles and the sun etc etc.

 

[JJpool]

So the majority of the fires were from human hand in Greece and we saw the arsonist in Italy too. A lot of the alarmist reporting was as if things were just so hot Europe was spontaneously combusting.

It's now not called global warming or climate change, it moved to climate emergency for a more dramatic phrase but then...the latest scary phrase is were now in the era of global boiling.

Climate change isn’t just “here,” according to U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres. It’s “terrifying.” It’s “just the beginning.” And it’s moved from “global warming” to “global boiling,” with air that is “unbreathable” and heat that is “unbearable,”.

There's a clear the ramping up of the fear recently.

 

[Lost Seasider]

So the majority of the fires were from human hand in Greece and we saw the arsonist in Italy too. A lot of the alarmist reporting was as if things were just so hot Europe was spontaneously combusting.

On the subject of fires, can anyone tell me if dry wood/grass is noticeably more combustible at 41c than it is at 40c, and if not, then how is climate change having any effect at all?

 

[Seasider1]

Another frightening scenario and fear driven fact to scare the masses...whilst also making lots of money for the already rich twats.

 

[JJpool]

On the subject of fires, can anyone tell me if dry wood/grass is noticeably more combustible at 41c than it is at 40c, and if not, then how is climate change having any effect at all?

Very Marginally maybe, but more relevant is probably the length of the heatwave and just how dry the ground is from lack of rainfall.

Also if some arsehole is going round lighting things, for unknown reasons, that tends to make a difference.

It's interesting that past temperatures are being adjusted.

Frequent 'Adjustments' to Past Temperatures by Met Office Cast Doubt on Global Warming – The Daily Sceptic

The Met Office has been up to its tricks again, cooling the past and warming the present to increase 'global warming'. But people are starting to notice the discordance with the satellite data.

dailysceptic.org

Not saying they are right on it all, but I'll certainly read and consider, as it's complete one way traffic in the bulk of the media and as shown in this thread, some alarmist claims have already been proven false.

 

[Wizaard]

I don't think there's anything wrong with looking at where obvious scaremongering is used or where predictions were made and were completely false.

I'd be interested to know how things like el nino and la nina are affecting things.

I'd also be interested to know from genuine scientists who, not maybe don't agree, but don't maybe agree with the timescales often presented. Sadly it seems we hear very little from those who aren't fully onboard with all aspects of it.

It's also if we can do anything to stop any changes anyway, especially in the UK being a tiny amount of global emissions. Infact the world could go net zero but if China, India, Russia and the US let's say all didn’t, they would make up a huge amount of global emissions still.

I think we should all be skeptical when we are presented with the hottest day in this country and it turns out it was under very questionable conditions. It was very hot then so not sure the need to get info that's affected by outside factors.

For things like sea level rise, its still unknown how quickly that would happen and how long before it would be devastating. There may be some slightly positive news for the north west area, as I've posted before it seems there may still be...Glacial isostatic rebound...

Basically the land that was compressed by the ice then returns to normal over many many thousands of years. Apparently we're still rising.

Blackpool and fylde underwater by 2050...?

Here's something I bet people haven't factored in. Glacial isostatic rebound... and takes many thousands of years. "Post-glacial rebound is the rise of land masses after the removal of the huge weight of ice sheets during the last glacial period, which had caused isostatic depression."...

avftt.co.uk

The reason we don't hear much from them is that they are outnumbered by scientists agreeing that climate change is occurring, and those that don't coincidentally work for the oil industry.

 

[JJpool]

The reason we don't hear much from them is that they are outnumbered by scientists agreeing that climate change is occurring, and those that don't coincidentally work for the oil industry.

That's not true, many who might not agree are not heard from due to group think of it being a completely closed issue, it's not and the worst case scenarios aren't fact either, surely covid showed how this can happen, even with good intentions.

There was even some skullduggery at painting a bigger majority of scientists agreeing...

Fact Checking The Claim Of 97% Consensus On Anthropogenic Climate Change

Belief in the scientific community in human-caused climate change is clearly below 97%, a close review of the evidence shows, but the claim continues to be widely publicized and defended. Would a lower level of consensus convince anyone concerned about global warming to change their views?

www.forbes.com

It's not about that it is or isn't happening at all, it's about the level of alarmism, as shown it being cracked up and fear used to scare people. This thread has shown some of that already with proven false claims.

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

That's not true, many who might not agree are not heard from due to group think of it being a completely closed issue, it's not and the worst case scenarios aren't fact either, surely covid showed how this can happen, even with good intentions.

There was even some skullduggery at painting a bigger majority of scientists agreeing...

Fact Checking The Claim Of 97% Consensus On Anthropogenic Climate Change

Belief in the scientific community in human-caused climate change is clearly below 97%, a close review of the evidence shows, but the claim continues to be widely publicized and defended. Would a lower level of consensus convince anyone concerned about global warming to change their views?

www.forbes.com

It's not about that it is or isn't happening at all, it's about the level of alarmism, as shown it being cracked up and fear used to scare people. This thread has shown some of that already with proven false claims.

That was a long way of saying that the overwhelming majority of scientists (which might not be quite 97%) are in agreement on Anthropogenic Climate Change.

 

[JJpool]

That was a long way of saying that the overwhelming majority of scientists (which might not be quite 97%) are in agreement on Anthropogenic Climate Change.

Well, it matters to be factual, especially when Nasa for eg is still pumping out the 97%.

As said on the thread, there is alarmism and certain language used to scare people and examples shown on this thread of wrong predictions. We've already seen with covid how group think and exclusion affected things in the scientific community, along with worst case scenarios being pushed.

It only serves to lose people when we see excessive fear mongering and silly predictions that are then proven false.

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

Well, it matters to be factual, especially when Nasa for eg is still pumping out the 97%.

As said on the thread, there is alarmism and certain language used to scare people and examples shown on this thread of wrong predictions. We've already seen with covid how group think and exclusion affected things in the scientific community, along with worst case scenarios being pushed.

It only serves to lose people when we see excessive fear mongering and silly predictions that are then proven false.

I think we've seen quite a lot of 20/20 hindsight and re-writing of history where CoviD is concerned, that's for sure. If you need the attention and action from 80 Million people... creating a sense of alarm is necessary.

We need to take action on Climate Change.... rooting round the bins to find reasons to justify inaction is daft....

It's the same kind of Bullshit as Religion... Pick the one that gives you the outcome that suits you the best etc..

 

[JJpool]

I think we've seen quite a lot of 20/20 hindsight and re-writing of history where CoviD is concerned, that's for sure. If you need the attention and action from 80 Million people... creating a sense of alarm is necessary.

We need to take action on Climate Change.... rooting round the bins to find reasons to justify inaction is daft....

It's the same kind of Bullshit as Religion... Pick the one that gives you the outcome that suits you the best etc..

80 million?

No rooting around in bins, there's some legitimate things raised, adjusting of past temperatures raises questions, legitimate factors like urban heat not factored in, the questioning of suitability of some temperature sensors, all worthy things to raise. As well as some of the silly disproven lies that really don't help, even Greta deleted the tweet after it didn't come to pass.

My points were about the level that were are adding to it and the typical ott fear used, as seen before in for eg covid, it's the go to get things done it seems.

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

80 million?

No rooting around in bins, there's some legitimate things raised, adjusting of past temperatures raises questions, legitimate factors like urban heat not factored in, the questioning of suitability of some temperature sensors, all worthy things to raise. As well as some of the silly disproven lies that really don't help, even Greta deleted the tweet after it didn't come to pass.

My points were about the level that were are adding to it and the typical ott fear used, as seen before in for eg covid, it's the go to get things done it seems.

I think (as usual) that your allowing yourself and your own OTT response to be guided by the kind of hyperbole that your choice of media likes to whip up about anything and everything.

I’d start watching the BBC, maybe smoke a doobie now and then and just chill out a bit if I weee you. Stop getting a bee in your bonnet over Greta Green, half a dozen Transsexuals and whether or not Baron Greenback can get a posh Bank Account and just enjoy a bit of balanced, informative TV and some high quality short Films, Documentaries and Drama Series.

Climate change is an issue… We’re taking positive action to address it.. The action we are taking is good positive action that has health and security benefits regardless. CoViD is sorted and we’ve learned sone important lessons and Nigel has a new campaign to grift.

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