Mother Nature says…
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Sooty59
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Nah it's pure coincidence that it seems to follow the industrialisation over the last few hundred years.
Wizaard
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The Trump acolytes will be sceptic at best.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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They live in an alternative reality.
Levi501
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They’re not really all there though!
Macseasider
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it's very scary. Sadly the next generation of kids have a lot of pressure on them due to the Boomers wrecking the planet.
Levi501
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Soz.
dodgy_surname
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Old mother Hubbard went to the cupboard to give the poor doggie a bone
When she bent down the dog came around and gave her a bone of his own
Global warming
When she bent down the dog came around and gave her a bone of his own
Global warming
traffordtang
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This is an interesting chart. It seems China are out in front by some margin.You can try to combat climate change as much as you want but EVERYONE has to be singing from the same hymn sheet.
Unfortunately with India and China not giving a flying fuck there probably won't be owt worth saving for the next generation
Countries by solar power capacity, 2023 (GW)
| 1 | China | 481.7 |
|---|---|---|
| 2 | US | 173 |
| 3 | Japan | 90.3 |
| 4 | India | 83.6 |
| 5 | Germany | 75.1 |
| 6 | Spain | 33.4 |
| 7 | Australia | 32.2 |
| 8 | Brazil | 32 |
| 9 | South Korea | 27.4 |
| 11 | Netherlands | 21.8 |
| 12 | France | 21.3 |
| 13 | Vietnam | 19.1 |
| 14 | UK | 16.8 |
| 15 | Poland | 16.8 |
tangerine_neil
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Climate change has happened throughout history with or without human intervention.
Fact.
However, even if there’s a chance the current changes are down to the reasons we believe, it’s a risk not worth taking and of course something needs to be done asap.
Fact.
However, even if there’s a chance the current changes are down to the reasons we believe, it’s a risk not worth taking and of course something needs to be done asap.
todayistheday
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Here come the avftts scientists.
Our forefathers have caused all this, nothing we can do if the bigger countries are doing very little.
Our forefathers have caused all this, nothing we can do if the bigger countries are doing very little.
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Malced
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China is doing well with renewables and pursing new technologies to try and reduce CO2.
However they’re the biggest consumer of coal, more than the rest of the world combined.
Last year they had committed to build 43 new coal fired power stations.
So they can be part of the solution but they’re a huge part of the current problem.
The Brazilian rainforest continues to be pillaged albeit on a lower scale than under the previous President.
The UK’s efforts are dwarfed by what could be achieved by super powers like China and the US.
But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t bother to cut emissions.
We have an opportunity to lead by example and to get ahead from a business perspective. But the policies we adopt need to have buy-in from the public. They need to be proportionate and sensible.
The Dutch Government has decreed that around 3,000 livestock farms are closed due to concerns over methane emissions. The farmers are outraged. The closures are deemed necessary for the Dutch to hit emissions targets and to comply with wonderful EU legislation.
I’m not sure these farmers will see the sense of this when it will be almost negligible given the amount of coal China burns.
Jaffa_The_Hut
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Just blame Brexit most others do.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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Well it’s certainly been a monumental clusterfuck… To say the least.
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rockontommy
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The biggest eco nut I've ever met used to be an ex-colleague. He would commute into Blackpool from Lancaster every day. When I asked him, genuinely curious, as to why he didn't take the very simple step (which would also save him time and money) of working in his home town, he was stumped.
Sven
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What made him an eco nut?
BFC_BFC_BFC
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And so what can we conclude about the impact of human beings and climate change from that interesting tale then ?
Killingmesoftly
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Just buy a £70k Tesla , cut one of your half dozen holidays a year and ……job done 
Chunkylad
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Take a look at what the big Oil companies are doing around carbon capture. If demand for Oil and Gas falls they’ll try to make up the short fall by moving to cc - it’s going to be a massive industry in the next couple of decades.
Ultimately way way way too many humans on the planet now. Skin it how you like with tech and recycling but a massive cull of the worst contributors would be the best solution.
Bring on the Hunger Games and Death Race 2000
Ultimately way way way too many humans on the planet now. Skin it how you like with tech and recycling but a massive cull of the worst contributors would be the best solution.
Bring on the Hunger Games and Death Race 2000
glasshalffull
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As Kenny Everett once said “Let’s bomb Russia”
That should sort out the overpopulation problem pretty quickly
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poolseasider
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Sorry most of us are hypocrites in this debate we have wardrobes full off cheap Indian clothes and our houses packed with Chinese goods but it's all their fault for making the stuff.
seasiderjohn
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and use more coalJust stop oil.
Bfccarpetfitter
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Hoax
Septic!!!!
kerrytangerine
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But not at this breakneck speed, Neil. Previous warming and cooling cycles have taken millenia to evolve.
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rockontommy
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The news maybe? Very much doubt he's out 'in the field' conducting experiments himself.
todayistheday
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Mr greenman giving us a talk while checking on his FSE mining company shares. Money over the earth wins the day.
Shandypants
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Man isn't helping but I don't believe we are such a primary force in the climate. The biggest issue I see is waste, we are a throwaway society and the use of plastic is horrendous, the sea is full of it.
Newholland
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Might be worth factoring in population when assessing charts like this.
tangerine_neil
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That’s mainly true, but doesn’t always apply. Some regional changes have taken place over a much faster track, however the effects of this are clearly being felt worldwide.
Part of the problem is societal changes. We’ve become a throwaway society. No longer happy and content with second or third hand goods. Everything has to be brand new and on trend. We’re incredibly wasteful and from a climate point of view, that’s irresponsible. Things aren’t made to last either, but that’s all about profit margins. All the current signs point towards rapid increase in Co2 and greenhouse gases since the start of the Industrial Revolution. So whilst we might have started to clean up our act in the U.K., we are equally responsible for our past actions and current actions in helping to establish the likes of China & India as new global polluting superpowers.
crunchtime
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This government still dishing out licences for drilling for oil in the North Sea and licencing further coal mining.
tangerine.com
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We need to stop buying chinese rubbish.You can try to combat climate change as much as you want but EVERYONE has to be singing from the same hymn sheet.
Unfortunately with India and China not giving a flying fuck there probably won't be owt worth saving for the next generation
Chunkylad
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We still need Oil and Gas and we still need minerals.
Those plastics, chemicals etc are critical for so much of our health and well being. Where would medical science and hospitals be if we removed plastics such as IV tubes, syringes, surgical gloves etc etc etc?
Where we can possibly find swap out for renewables we should so mining and O&G exploration needs to find more ways to counter act carbon usage and waste.
However you knew that already didn’t you and it was a poor attempt at trolling. I’ve never been anything but a dirty tech capitalist who lifts heavy shit and likes the idea of a world not covered in smog.
JJpool
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Solely... no.
Obviously not, otherwise the climate wouldn't have changed before us.
The real question is how much is down to us and how much the government and media will use it to push certain other agendas and scare stories. Such stories they have a track record of pushing.
It's obvious we're adding to it, it makes sense to use renewable energy sources where possible, but the urgency of it all is still unknown.
There's a lot of misinformation out there clearly aimed to scare people, either that or it shows how shockingly wrong some can be...
Greta Thunberg deletes tweet warning climate change could 'wipe out' humanity | TalkTV
Greta Thunberg has deleted a tweet warning climate change could "wipe out humanity" unless there is a halt on fossil fuel usage by 2023.
"The tweet referred to a warning from James Anderson, a Harvard University professor of atmospheric chemistry, that pollution is pushing the climate back 33 million years when there was no ice on either pole.
Speaking at the University of Chicago, he said: "The chance there will be any permanent ice left in the Arctic after 2022 is essentially zero," with 75-to-80 percent of permanent ice having melted already in the last 35 years."
Greta jumped on it and posted it in 2018, later deleting the tweet once the time had passed and nothing had happened.
Look at the language also, "wipe out all of humanity"... OK even partial or complete ice melt would be an obvious catastrophe, but would take probably centuries and even that wouldn't 'wipe out humanity' at all.
What we don't want though is what we saw with covid, where group think led to those with any slight opposing view or point to the narrative being cast aside and discredited, even when it turned out they had a point.
JJpool
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I reckon women are adding to it too, for balance.
traffordtang
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Exactly. Every time we import goods from China, India etc the CO2 attached to those goods needs to be classed as our emissions. If we don’t create the demand for the goods the emissions drop naturally.
Bloodtangerine
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It’s massively exaggerated. You get a hot spell in Spain for a few days and you lot get all Greta about it. We didn’t panic like this back in the 80s when the Sun was out for a bit and it was a roasting…in fact we loved it ….grow some ffs!
JJpool
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It's definitely being sensationalised. You've got young kid activists running round acting like idiots because they've been brain washed that they have no future and the end is nigh, we're all going to boil in our own sweat.
ElBurroSinNombre
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It is really happening in Southern Europe
The last couple of summers in Rome have been the worst on record, I am in Rome ATM and was for some of last summer. A new temperature record was broken yesterday at 41.8C and this type of weather is set to continue until the end of August (35-40C). Romans are now complaining about the heat - this is not normal. Sicily has recorded 48C during the summer last year. Estimated excess deaths from weather last year were 81000 in Europe as a whole I think.
Weather patterns here have been disrupted, flooding a few months ago in central Italy. Glacial ice sheets are melting in the Alps. The UK is not really affected ATM but Southern Europe really is.
A looming problem is that of climate refugees, people who will be displaced by a hotter climate.
Hopefully we have or will have the technology to mitigate some of the worst effects but it isn't sensationalism. It's here.
The last couple of summers in Rome have been the worst on record, I am in Rome ATM and was for some of last summer. A new temperature record was broken yesterday at 41.8C and this type of weather is set to continue until the end of August (35-40C). Romans are now complaining about the heat - this is not normal. Sicily has recorded 48C during the summer last year. Estimated excess deaths from weather last year were 81000 in Europe as a whole I think.
Weather patterns here have been disrupted, flooding a few months ago in central Italy. Glacial ice sheets are melting in the Alps. The UK is not really affected ATM but Southern Europe really is.
A looming problem is that of climate refugees, people who will be displaced by a hotter climate.
Hopefully we have or will have the technology to mitigate some of the worst effects but it isn't sensationalism. It's here.
Rotterdam+Sussex_Seasider
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Totally agree about Carbon Capture. Based on the genius of Professor Allam at Imperial College and a company called Net Power, I reckon it has a massive future.
I also think Geothermal power has a big future as it can handle lower temperatures with new technologies
Wizaard
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Similarly there's always a moron saying 'What global warming?' because they've put a jumper on.
JJpool
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Yep there's definitely some sensationalism going on. People just seem to ignore the proven completely false predictions though and move onto the next one. Greta deleting that tweet shows how that can happen.
That doesn't mean it's not happening at all, but I'd also be skeptical of the timescales were presented with given many have already been proven false, like the one Greta tweeted.
It doesn't help when you see things like this...
Exclusive: Three Typhoon Jets Landed Next to Thermometer When Britain’s ‘Record’ Temperature of 40.3°C Was Recorded – The Daily Sceptic
Three Typhoon fighter jets were landing at RAF Coningsby when the brief U.K. temperature record was declared on July 19th last year from a measuring device situated halfway down the runway, it has been revealed.
dailysceptic.org
It also doesn't help when through covid we've seen the perfect example of how fear will be used to control people, infact it's created alomst a death cult of mostly hippie types in just stop oil who are acting like lunatics because they believe we have no future and will boil in our sweat.
It's worth looking into UHI, urban heat island, as well, which I'd never heard of the phrase, but have understood the concept, given the ever expanding towns and cities with buildins and roads that heat up and hold heat, certain rises at some recording stations are to be expected.
For such things in science you need fair controls, temperatures at airport may be of great use for the airport but less so for accurate readings I'd imagine.
Levi501
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Think you’re fiddling there while the earth burns, i agree the news channels love to big up this sort of story, and it’s naive to try and put a timescale on any of it. 20 years ago we traveled around Central America, in Costa Rica a guide took us through the cloud forests, and told us how climate changes had affected the country. It’s not just about tourists in the Med getting sunburnt, we lived in Mallorca for 10 years 40 years ago and summers were hot, it’s the fact that the oceans are getting warmer, glaciers are melting, deserts are expanding. What can we do about it, sadly I think it’s too late.Yep there's definitely some sensationalism going on. People just seem to ignore the proven completely false predictions though and move onto the next one. Greta deleting that tweet shows how that can happen.
That doesn't mean it's not happening at all, but I'd also be skeptical of the timescales were presented with given many have already been proven false, like the one Greta tweeted.
It doesn't help when you see things like this...
Exclusive: Three Typhoon Jets Landed Next to Thermometer When Britain’s ‘Record’ Temperature of 40.3°C Was Recorded – The Daily Sceptic
Three Typhoon fighter jets were landing at RAF Coningsby when the brief U.K. temperature record was declared on July 19th last year from a measuring device situated halfway down the runway, it has been revealed.
It also doesn't help when through covid we've seen the perfect example of how fear will be used to control people, infact it's created alomst a death cult of mostly hippie types in just stop oil who are acting like lunatics because they believe we have no future and will boil in our sweat.
It's worth looking into UHI, urban heat island, as well, which I'd never heard of the phrase, but have understood the concept, given the ever expanding towns and cities with buildins and roads that heat up and hold heat, certain rises at some recording stations are to be expected.
For such things in science you need fair controls, temperatures at airport may be of great use for the airport but less so for accurate readings I'd imagine.
JJpool
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I don't think there's anything wrong with looking at where obvious scaremongering is used or where predictions were made and were completely false.Think you’re fiddling there while the earth burns, i agree the news channels love to big up this sort of story, and it’s naive to try and put a timescale on any of it. 20 years ago we traveled around Central America, in Costa Rica a guide took us through the cloud forests, and told us how climate changes had affected the country. It’s not just about tourists in the Med getting sunburnt, we lived in Mallorca for 10 years 40 years ago and summers were hot, it’s the fact that the oceans are getting warmer, glaciers are melting, deserts are expanding. What can we do about it, sadly I think it’s too late.
I'd be interested to know how things like el nino and la nina are affecting things.
I'd also be interested to know from genuine scientists who, not maybe don't agree, but don't maybe agree with the timescales often presented. Sadly it seems we hear very little from those who aren't fully onboard with all aspects of it.
It's also if we can do anything to stop any changes anyway, especially in the UK being a tiny amount of global emissions. Infact the world could go net zero but if China, India, Russia and the US let's say all didn’t, they would make up a huge amount of global emissions still.
I think we should all be skeptical when we are presented with the hottest day in this country and it turns out it was under very questionable conditions. It was very hot then so not sure the need to get info that's affected by outside factors.
For things like sea level rise, its still unknown how quickly that would happen and how long before it would be devastating. There may be some slightly positive news for the north west area, as I've posted before it seems there may still be...Glacial isostatic rebound...
Basically the land that was compressed by the ice then returns to normal over many many thousands of years. Apparently we're still rising.
Blackpool and fylde underwater by 2050...?
Here's something I bet people haven't factored in. Glacial isostatic rebound... and takes many thousands of years. "Post-glacial rebound is the rise of land masses after the removal of the huge weight of ice sheets during the last glacial period, which had caused isostatic depression."...
avftt.co.uk
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Chunkylad
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It’s about time that fleas stepped up to the plate. In centuries gone by, they did the heavy lifting and got the population down beautifully.
Wages went up, monarchs got overthrown and decent laws got written thanks to their hard work.
Bats are clearly not upto the job. All we got was a load of lock ins and half price dinners out
Wages went up, monarchs got overthrown and decent laws got written thanks to their hard work.
Bats are clearly not upto the job. All we got was a load of lock ins and half price dinners out