Name a single player Critchley has developed

O/P - absolute garbage. Vast majority of players who have been at the club have developed under Critchley. He took League 1 and 2 players and a handful of non-league players and made them a solid Championship team. Look how quickly they all went backwards without him ! He’s even got the best out of players who most would have said were too old to develop - Keogh, Marv, Madine, CJ and Husband being examples. Whether you like him or not - football experts and professionals (actual knowledgable people and not message board gobshites) rate Critchley incredibly highly as a coach and in particular as a developer of players
 
Wizaard said:
At the moment, that seems the obvious long term gap in the squad, hopefully one he can fill.

I'm not sure he'd displace the wing back roles, so the 10 is the obvious place for me.

Who knows? He might come back a bit bigger and stronger and be better in other roles.
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CJ didn't play wing back at Forest. The wing backs aren't working.
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
I also think it’s very few if any.. Bowler already had all the talent..husband is now what he’s always been..don’t make me laugh saying he has improved Grimshaw..personally I think he took Yates and lavery backwards by not playing them after they were in scoring form.. if they scored they were dropped..very odd..if Lyons or Gabriel play well they are dropped also .. Connolly and CJ play every game whatever even if they are poor and Carey doesn’t seem to be kicking on at all… I think Critchley is massively over rated on player development
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Hang on, so we're now discarding anyone who had talent but wasn't showing it elsewhere or they wouldn't have come to us.

Development is multifaceted, players learn with experience of playing, consistent messaging, useful training, effective communication of tactics etc.

Kenny Dougall is another example of a player developing.

He struggled under Appleton and many wrote him off. He can't do the passing side of the game etc.

Under Critchley this season he's been next level with all his expected assets but his passing, awareness etc has been unbelievable.

It helps playing with Dembele and playing with confidence, but a good manager gives you that and helps you be your best.

Dougall is better on the ball now than he was.

Infact most of the team are to what we used to be.
 
JJpool said:
Hang on, so we're now discarding anyone who had talent but wasn't showing it elsewhere or they wouldn't have come to us.

Development is multifaceted, players learn with experience of playing, consistent messaging, useful training, effective communication of tactics etc.

Kenny Dougall is another example of a player developing.

He struggled under Appleton and many wrote him off. He can't do the passing side of the game etc.

Under Critchley this season he's been next level with all his expected assets but his passing, awareness etc has been unbelievable.

It helps playing with Dembele and playing with confidence, but a good manager gives you that and helps you be your best.

Dougall is better on the ball now than he was.

Infact most of the team are to what we used to be.
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Well said JJ all this thread proves with posters poison that they hate Critch and won't give him the credit for anything.
 
BFC_53 said:
I think Yates is the obvious one because he had played in the Championship before coming to us and looked lost. Scored one goal in 47 appearances for Rotherham. Was a far better player after two years of being coached by Critchley.

The two players I'm most intrigued by right now in terms of how they're developed by the club and manager are Apter and Morgan. Apter because he clearly has talent, has been successful everywhere he's been on loan and Critchley has been at the club for most of his late teens, and Morgan because he has shown glimpses that he could be really good if he has the right coaching and development. Two 'acid' tests for Critchley's coaching abilities I think.
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Morgan came with mixed reviews but he's had some high quality moments and you can see things coming together for him.

Sometimes players develop themselves, a natural process of better understanding and experience over time, but helped by the training, messaging from the staff etc.

Players also develop from watching, playing with and against other players.
 
NewburyOne said:
Getting players out on loan is all part of their development. Casey has also got better as the season has progressed also.

Agreed re. Dembele but in my eyes he's become more effective game by game.
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Sometimes the best thing is experience of playing real games, who knew. There's only so much telling you can do, you have go learn in real environments where more games are available to someone with less current experience.

Mad.
 
haggertyf said:
He's currently in and out of the team regularly at Swansea
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yep, not that twitter is a consensus but they don’t seem to like him, slagged off his work rate which seems unbelievable compared to here. He’s never been great on his own, think that’s why Critch preferred Lavery/Madine
 
L’étranger said:
Off the top of my head Yates, Grimshaw, Husband, Ekpiteta, Lavery, Dougall, Anderson, Hamilton and Turton, are all better players now than they were before Critchley tipped up.
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How do you know? How many of them had you seen play before they arrived here?
 
Chunkylad said:
Really?? You’re trotting that one out?

On top of those listed (not to mention Maxi and Gaz both hailed his coaching) I will go Doug Tharme. A kid from what was it 5 or 6 leagues lower? No experience at all.

He has now had a season on loan at L1 team and earned himself a contract in L2 as a professional footballer. Still several leagues higher than where he was. I am sure if you asked him, he will have been delighted with the coaching and learning he has gained here.

Also I’ll add Ellis Simms. He arrived and looked a bit clueless and out of position. Now look at him.
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Do you mean the Doug Tharme, who never played a league game for us and has been released to the mighty Grimsby?
 
Wizaard said:
At Forest the wing backs were Gabriel and Lyons on their right sides. It worked well but with different personnel.
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But we had wingers in front of them, so very different. I would pick Apter ahead of CJ in that situation, with Gabriel behind. I know others wouldn't but for me Apter is a much better footballer than CJ. Jack Moore provided better crosses than CJ routinely does, in his half hour the other night.
 
Albert Ross said:
I’m not negative, I’m positive Critchley isn’t all he’s cracked up to be.
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So a non league player signs for us ain't good enough for Lge 1 football and then gets signed for Lge 2 is a progression despite what you haters might think.

Same as your comment about Yates how do we know is a better player, who we paid pittance for and sold for millions you really are a clueless buffoon.
 
JJpool said:
Hang on, so we're now discarding anyone who had talent but wasn't showing it elsewhere or they wouldn't have come to us.

Development is multifaceted, players learn with experience of playing, consistent messaging, useful training, effective communication of tactics etc.

Kenny Dougall is another example of a player developing.

He struggled under Appleton and many wrote him off. He can't do the passing side of the game etc.

Under Critchley this season he's been next level with all his expected assets but his passing, awareness etc has been unbelievable.

It helps playing with Dembele and playing with confidence, but a good manager gives you that and helps you be your best.

Dougall is better on the ball now than he was.

Infact most of the team are to what we used to be.
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If you go back to last season yes. But most of the team were better the season before! And the one before that...
 
voyeur said:
But we had wingers in front of them, so very different. I would pick Apter ahead of CJ in that situation, with Gabriel behind. I know others wouldn't but for me Apter is a much better footballer than CJ. Jack Moore provided better crosses than CJ routinely does, in his half hour the other night.
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Yet CJ has goals and more assists than anyone. Bit harsh.
 
poolseasider said:
So a non league player signs for us ain't good enough for Lge 1 football and then gets signed for Lge 2 is a progression despite what you haters might think.

Same as your comment about Yates how do we know is a better player, who we paid pittance for and sold for millions you really are a clueless buffoon.
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Firstly, I am not a hater. I have posted many times before, I don’t ‘hate’ Critchley or anyone else. I just don’t rate him, entirely different from hate. Secondly, how much a player is sold for isn’t necessarily an indication of his talent, or lack of same. MU paid a reported £75million for Jaden Sancho, he’s now been loaned out. An expensive loan not doubt, but still gone. A buffoon, a matter of opinion, clueless? No definitely not, just not a happy clapper.
 
Albert Ross said:
Firstly, I am not a hater. I have posted many times before, I don’t ‘hate’ Critchley or anyone else. I just don’t rate him, entirely different from hate. Secondly, how much a player is sold for isn’t necessarily an indication of his talent, or lack of same. MU paid a reported £75million for Jaden Sancho, he’s now been loaned out. An expensive loan not doubt, but still gone. A buffoon, a matter of opinion, clueless? No definitely not, just not a happy clapper.
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Sorry can't have that you've never anything positive to say about our manager this thread proves that.
To say Critchley hasn't improved any players is complete bullshit but you haters can't wait to jump in.

You lot won't be happy until Neil leaves.
 
poolseasider said:
Sorry can't have that you've never anything positive to say about our manager this thread proves that.
To say Critchley hasn't improved any players is complete bullshit but you haters can't wait to jump in.

You lot won't be happy until Neil leaves.
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You’re at it again with the hate, can’t you read properly ? Or maybe it’s you with the agenda🤷 you’re correct I will be happy when he leaves, but you’re wrong about not being happy until then. I’m always happy.
 
Why do we have to constantly have negative posts about Critch?
FFS we aren’t battling relegation, we are still in the FA Cup and 1/4 finals of the Bristol Street Motors Trophy and yet some posters still want to undermine him.
Who has he developed? All of them and you only need to look at their attitude to answer that question.
Get off the guy’s back and let him get on with his job.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
O/P - absolute garbage. Vast majority of players who have been at the club have developed under Critchley. He took League 1 and 2 players and a handful of non-league players and made them a solid Championship team. Look how quickly they all went backwards without him ! He’s even got the best out of players who most would have said were too old to develop - Keogh, Marv, Madine, CJ and Husband being examples. Whether you like him or not - football experts and professionals (actual knowledgable people and not message board gobshites) rate Critchley incredibly highly as a coach and in particular as a developer of players
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100% agree
 
Albert Ross said:
You’re at it again with the hate, can’t you read properly ? Or maybe it’s you with the agenda🤷 you’re correct I will be happy when he leaves, but you’re wrong about not being happy until then. I’m always happy.
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So will be happy when he leaves so you must hate him being here now

No different from the anti Appleton lot who couldn't stand him wouldn't sing his name or give the bloke a chance.

Pathetic just get behind the man in charge clubs who do good normally pull in the same direction with their fans.
If they do well we're doing well.

Then when a line in the sand is crossed Wigan away for MA then start with the anti stuff.
 
We've got several Critchley alumni playing at a higher level than when we signed them and we've sold two players he signed for naff all for decent fees.

I know people are frustrated with the manager but it's weird to attack him with something he's quite good at.

Then again, it wouldn't surprise me to see "Rhodes can't finish" or "CJ isn't fast enough" on here.
 
Sven said:
We've got several Critchley alumni playing at a higher level than when we signed them and we've sold two players he signed for naff all for decent fees.

I know people are frustrated with the manager but it's weird to attack him with something he's quite good at.

Then again, it wouldn't surprise me to see "Rhodes can't finish" or "CJ isn't fast enough" on here.
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CJ is too fast. 😉
 
voyeur said:
If you go back to last season yes. But most of the team were better the season before! And the one before that...
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You'll never guess who brought them in and got us promoted, kept us up with a squad that was put together far cheaper than the vast majority of the sides we played.

He, the staff, the club, the 'process', consistent messaging, training, the environment etc have helped players progress. That's development.
 
It would be much easier and more meaningful if you just say the formation is shit and the players look lost away from home. This thread was too easy for the Critchley lovers.
 
Just watched the Preview Show and the interview with Stephen Dobbie who said he was delighted to see his 8th development squad player in Jack Moore making his first team debut on Wednesday night.

Maybe we're bringing through more than we thought?
 
JJpool said:
You'll never guess who brought them in and got us promoted, kept us up with a squad that was put together far cheaper than the vast majority of the sides we played.

He, the staff, the club, the 'process', consistent messaging, training, the environment etc have helped players progress. That's development.
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That's what i'm saying!
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
It would be much easier and more meaningful if you just say the formation is shit and the players look lost away from home. This thread was too easy for the Critchley lovers.
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I wouldn't say all have to be 'Critchley lovers', just calling out an obviously incorrect statement.

Saying that it helps to have a connection with the manager, he has his plusses, also flaws and makes mistakes, needs to do better away etc.

But that has no effect on calling out things on this thread.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
O/P - absolute garbage. Vast majority of players who have been at the club have developed under Critchley. He took League 1 and 2 players and a handful of non-league players and made them a solid Championship team. Look how quickly they all went backwards without him ! He’s even got the best out of players who most would have said were too old to develop - Keogh, Marv, Madine, CJ and Husband being examples. Whether you like him or not - football experts and professionals (actual knowledgable people and not message board gobshites) rate Critchley incredibly highly as a coach and in particular as a developer of players
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Most successful coach we’ve had since Holloway, in my opinion.
 
If we’re being realistic and objective about things - the youth team and academy was criminally underfunded and supported for generations prior to Sadler taking over. The hangover from that is likely going to take a decade or so to put completely to bed so you can hardly blame Critchley for not getting our academy players into the first team if the volume of potential players simply isn’t there.
When you compare Critchley to Appleton and McCarthy, Critchley was far more successful in giving academy graduates game time - in fact Apter for one got his debut (Wigan away?) under Critchley. Im not sure a single academy graduate played a single minute of competitive football last season - whilst this season those youngsters are being given a chance - even if not getting the minutes fans (who by and large have zero clue) think they should be getting. Given how much our better, senior pros managed to regress without Critchley I reckon there’s a pretty high likelihood that the youngsters development slowed last season too. The coaching on the training ground is just as important as the minutes on the pitch after all.
I’d also suggest that Critchleys involvement in a players development doesn’t stop the minute we loan them out. We’ll be loaning players to clubs where we think they’ll develop best - be that due to tactics, the players they’ll play with / against, the facilities and the coaching available at that club. If we’re loaning young talent out you can guarantee we’ll have a say in the training programmmes they’re involved in.
 
Albert Ross said:
And as you say, on their right sides, not this inverted nonsense.
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Lyons is on his wrong side on the left. He played most of his best football on the right for us last season. Dembele is left footed but is most effective in the inside right position supporting CJ. This "inverted nonsense" is regularly used by Klopp, Arteta and Guardiola so there must be something in it! In a nutshell, football has changed!
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
It would be much easier and more meaningful if you just say the formation is shit and the players look lost away from home. This thread was too easy for the Critchley lovers.
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Formations, formations, formations.
Is that the only word in your limited vocabulary?
We have lost 7 out of 26 games and a goal difference of +10, even better stats if you consider the cup game (which you won’t because that doesn’t fit your agenda), we are still in the FA Cup and the quarter finals of the Bristol Street Motors Cup against Bolton which will attract a decent attendance. Without doubt a vast amount more than you predicted yesterday. Mind you your estimate changes like the weather.
So please explain how that can be “shit” (in your words?)
You said the other week that if you witness a bad performance (sorry, the only adjective you know is “shit”) then you boycott the next game in protest so maybe if you didn’t spit your dummy out and support the team in the true sense of the word you might “enjoy” it. Then again “enjoy” is a word that definitely won’t be in your vocabulary.
 
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