Nathan Shaw.

Insider

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Winky has returned from his brief loan spell at Stockport after only managing 57 minutes game time.
We really need to have some better plans in place to look after the continuing development of players like Nathan and those that are following him. (Antwi, Bange, Sims etc)
The aspiration to be best in class at Academy 3 level is pointless if 18 becomes a brick wall playing wise.
I accept that we are at the business end of the season now and it's not a geat time to be blooding kids.
However we currently have four u/18s on pro-contracts who have probably been attracted to the Club partly by the "Critchley" factor and some promises of a fast track to first team football. If that doesn't happen the promising 16/17 year olds may choose apprenticeships elsewhere.
I don't for one minute pretend to know the answer to this but I would like to hear from the Club their thoughts on the matter.
Maybe one for the next Structured Dialogue meeting?
 

poolfc

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Subbed off at half time in his one start. Is that down to Stockport or the player that we sent them for a month? Wasn't an injury.

Stockport have a Critchley factor having appointed the Brighton U23 development coach that we looked at before going for Critchley.
 

Insider

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Subbed off at half time in his one start. Is that down to Stockport or the player that we sent them for a month? Wasn't an injury.

Stockport have a Critchley factor having appointed the Brighton U23 development coach that we looked at before going for Critchley.
Yes I know that and the Manager seemed to have a plan of bringing in players like Nathan. Then they signed Madden on £3.5k pw and a 3 yr deal. 😟
 

poolfc

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Yes I know that and the Manager seemed to have a plan of bringing in players like Nathan. Then they signed Madden on £3.5k pw and a 3 yr deal. 😟
Jack Stretton who they signed for a month the same day from Derby U21s scored three in five including a winner v Barnet and was used as a sub for Derby at Reading on Monday so shows the levels. Think he's a year younger.
 

Supersub

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With so many clubs in all divisions now generally having big squads, would it not be a good idea to start up the old type Central League. Just looking at our situation alone, we seem to have what could be regarded as two first teams. I know we have had injuries but this is where the academy graduates can get their opportunity to play a competitive game most weeks . Also for the more accomplished first teasers who are not making the squad on match days, an alternative game will keep them better match fit.
Alternatively what’s to stop Blackpool and any other clubs who want to take part, signing up to play a series of matches throughout the season. All leagues could be involved including the Premier league as there must be so many players not getting any game time.

It must be so disheartening for some of our youngsters particularly Shaw, Antwi and Sims this season to be part of the first team squad, training week after week but getting no game time. Like Insiders says we need to be careful with the younger players but they need to know they are valued and that we don’t lose them.
 

voyeur

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But do you leave senior players out so that 18 year olds can have a game? Which clubs do that? There are only so many places in first tea squads in Leagues1 and 2, and a hell of a lot of players competing for them. A lot of players without a club. It's the nature of the beast isn't it? You can only play in a first team on merit, unless a game is meaningless. How would everyone react if Antwi and Shaw started on Saturday instead of Garbutt and Ward? Or came off the bench for them with 20 minutes to go even? i don't really know how clubs develop players but all clubs have a wodge of young players, and some seniors, training every day but not getting much competitive match time.
 

Seainsea

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I think the club is going in the right direction, getting the infrastructure and staff in place to develop the Academy. In time, we could have a U-23 team to bridge that gap between youth team and first team. As for Nathan Shaw, maybe he is just a slow developer? A good example is Tom Barkhuizen who had a few loan spells, I seem to remember he did well at Hereford. The only difference was that his development was blocked by Paul Ince because he posed a threat to his Thomas.
 

Tango1953

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But do you leave senior players out so that 18 year olds can have a game? Which clubs do that? There are only so many places in first tea squads in Leagues1 and 2, and a hell of a lot of players competing for them. A lot of players without a club. It's the nature of the beast isn't it? You can only play in a first team on merit, unless a game is meaningless. How would everyone react if Antwi and Shaw started on Saturday instead of Garbutt and Ward? Or came off the bench for them with 20 minutes to go even? i don't really know how clubs develop players but all clubs have a wodge of young players, and some seniors, training every day but not getting much competitive match time.


Brentford have had joy with the development squad idea, although they don't have a youth system.

Their method is to look for players between 18-23, the ages players fall out of the game due to the gap in the end of youth football and establishing themselves in pro football. They get a mix of younger British lads and lads like from weaker European leagues (might be complicated by Brexit) and look to build them up to the demands of the Championship.

They use the development squad to play them in purposely arranged behind closed doors games, normally against clubs using a similar methods or against squads with players away for international duty.

Definitely feel they have found a good way to bridge the gap when you look at the players they have brought through and the conveyor belt nature of it.
 

Costero Poderoso

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always looked like a good player when ive seen him, during the pre-season games he stood out as did Antwi surprised they havent been given more of an opportunity to be honest. those two in particular never look to weak for this level of football, Antwi wehn hes played looks like he can run through brick walls
 

Pauls_Boutique

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I didn't realise Barnet are on their way back down the pyramid.

No relegation from the national league this season as the divisions below were voided a while back so Barnet will get a reprieve this year. Not sure what the situation is with Dover as they basically said there is no point spending money they don’t have to play matches.

On the other subject raised in this thread I do think some kind of reserve league should be revived, and games should be played at weekends so all players in the squad are in the same training routine.
 

AndrewDuncanSmith

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The club needs to develop these youngsters we will need a squad of 25 players when we
reach the Premiership again don t want to be scratching around for players like Holloway did.
 

TangerinePeel

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Surprised he couldn't get into Stockport's squad in the National League, he's looked alright for us when he's come on.
 

bfc1993

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To be fair, he was sent out to Fylde but came back because that division was cancelled, so was likely sent to Stockport in hope he would still be a to get a bit of game time. I wouldn't be surprised to see him on our bench in the next few games, considering our lack of attacking options
 
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