Nottingham Forest v Blackpool Official Matchday Thread 16.10.21

Born_in_the_Fifties said:
Just been chatting about our 2-1 defeat against Nottingham Forest, football in general and different playing tactics (as well as a few other less interesting subjects) over a drink or three with some old geezer in some back-street taverna.

The old chap insisted that (and I quote) "If a football is passed backwards then it must have been passed forward before" - then adding to further emphasise his point - "yer silly old piffed-up Lancy **"

I told him that I was Born_in_the_Fifties and that I was of an average height, he said that his name was Isaac Newton and that he'd hated Nottingham Forest for donkeys' years.

I walked off into the night thinking that these silly old cunts talk a lot of sense, more often than not!

Hic🙂🧡
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Sorry to have missed it🍺hic!
 
Oneofthebigboys said:
I only managed to get the game on to watch 1 minute before we scored, we bossed that second half possession wise and had a nailed on pen on TJJ waved away by the ref(1-1) at the time, saying he took the ball, the guy didn’t touch the ball.
Fine margins decide most games at this level, could quite easily have got 3 points but came away with none, that’s football!
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Absolutely correct, clear penalty - would have been 2-1 to the Pool
 
Remain very optimistic after watching that. There is no way it was perfect, struggled in the first half and could not capitalise on the second half possession. Forest though are a very decent side and we are clearly competing well against established championship sides. It was a clear penalty, small margins, if that had been given and converted then that should have been another point. We will play better than this and and also have players returning from injury. Grimshaw looks a very decent keeper.
 
td53 said:
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Not watched quest or read here yet so it might be total shite but this is what I saw/thought.
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I have watched Quest now. The handball was unclear, the tackle on TJJ looked a penalty to me but perhaps not in the "nailed on" category.
As for your blog I'm not in full agreement with you on Bowler, I think you've been a little bit too generous.
I think on Wednesday we might see Demi and Keshi as our 2 wide players with Dale and Bowler as impact subs if we need them.
Critch will have a tough choice between Sterling & Gabriel and King Kenny will probably replace Stewart.
 
Slept on it and watched the ‘highlights..

Grimshaw didn’t do a thing wrong. Dealt with some silly back passes quite well. Lacks the long distribution of Maxwell and the leadership qualities too but he’s young and going to improve.

Gabriel had a good game. Was kept very busy by Lowe in the first half and arguably should have been a little closer to his man for their first goal but it was a hell of a pass, relatively flat and powerful, and the Forest player controlled it beautifully with his first touch. Our CB’s should have been able to track the Forest man who finished it too. But it was a great goal by them and most teams concede it at whatever level. Gabriel was impressive in the second half albeit maybe lacking a natural rapport with Bowler as they got under each other’s feet a few times.

Keogh and Epiketa did pretty well dealing with Grabban. Could have done more to prevent the first goal, lucky not to be caught out flat footed a couple of times (but Gabriel saved them) and they did lose the plot in the last 15 minutes with some poor passing. Would have liked to see them carry the ball further forward when we’re chasing the game. I think with Maxwell barking orders they’re a better unit.

Garbutt not able to offer much going forward but did well against one of the leagues biggest talents. Was left exposed and open time and time again by TJJ but still managed to get forward to put some good crosses in. Looks much better and more confident getting forward when playing with Keshi as Keshi offers more and works harder defensively than TJJ. Also bare in mind Garbutt has to cover Keoghs lack of pace. Garbutts contribution seems to go unnoticed by a lot but he does a hell of a lot of work for this squad.

Stewart and Wintle both seemed a little off the pace today and the passing wasn’t really good enough. Both got stuck in but neither really got on the ball and made anything happen. The forwards and Bowler in particularly dropped much deeper to pick up the ball as a result and we looked worse for it. Massive improvement when Dougall came on and looked more positive going forward (although his passing wasn’t too great either).

Bowler was keen to get on the ball, beat his man multiple times and was unfortunate that he’s not quite the finished article when it comes to making the final ball. He works hard, tracks back and tries be positive. Decision making will come with experience and hopefully crossing and passing with hard work on the training ground. Once he’s more polished he’ll be a Premier League player.

TJJ - wants too much time and space to do anything. Has a good touch 50% of the time and looks threatening over the first 10 yards of any run but then runs out of ideas, runs down dead ends or just misplaces a pass. Doesn’t work anywhere near hard enough for the team, doesn’t close down and press and doesn’t track back. Largely at fault for the second Forest goal and let them turn our attack into theirs by simply not working hard enough - which is unforgivable. I’ve seen it back and I don’t think it was a pen. Mitchell was a massive improvement.

Madine didn’t look on his game. Struggled to get involved, rarely held up the ball and ran around a lot without ever getting into a threatening position. He should be the ideal pivot between midfield and attack and players like TJJ, Bowler and Yates should be playing off of snd running beyond him but it didn’t happen. I can understand why Carey came in as Madine wasn’t playing as a Target Man and that between the lines role Madine should have been playing yesterday needs creativity and individuality so Carey was a reasonable switch. It didn’t work out for either unfortunately.

Yates - worked hard, gets into positions and makes himself available but the service wasn’t there. Scored a poachers goal and did everything asked of him all game. Covers more ground than most when our midfield are this deep and ineffectual and as a result ends up less likely to score himself. 3 goals in 10 games for Yates isn’t a bad return and he’ll only get better and better.

Dougall and Mitchell improved the team when they came on. Hopegully Keshi and Sterling as well as Gretarsson are back in contention on Wednesday.
I’d drop TJJ from the squad all together and would much rather bring Bange or another one of our own kids onto the bench as hopefully they’ll bust a gut and show TJJ up for his lack of work ethic.
 
We are in the middle of an injury crisis. It was a tough match to play for us. He tries but TJJ is not preferable to Mitchell in any department, but that’s not what lost us the game. Fine margins.
 
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Been a bit slow to have a good look at Ryan Wintle until yesterday.I know others have commented on a couple of his good performances but I assumed that was mainly down to a workrate he was putting in.Yesterday I felt I saw some glimpses of what he brings.Hes calm in possession when things are getting a bit panicky looking for the next pass on.He spots a gap very well and he doesnt dither on the ball,gets foot on it quick turn and moves it on often not the simple pass either.If we are looking for openings outside the box he will shift it side to side keep the feeling of momentum up in the attack.Also wont turn down a shot on goal if something is rebounding outside the box.Would like to see more of him looks technically very good.I feel Dougall has been a bit slow on the ball lately,sometimes turning and turning needlessly putting himself under pressure not like himself and it slows down the momentum.Moving the ball quickly is so important to the way we want to play.
 
Key players absent, away to an in form team with new manager bounce, 12 games into a season in a higher league than last. Yet we still competed well and it could've gone either way even though Forest deserved it if we're honest. No complaints from me, the team are doing very well on the whole. You only have to look at where the teams that finished 1st and 2nd in league one last season are to know how big a step up this is.
 
Forest fan here. Wouldn't normally join a forum to post but something amused me today. You turned up in great numbers (hope some stayed on for the beer festival), were in good voice and had a decent level of rowdiness throughout. On leaving the ground I was impressed.

Then on leaving, in the car park, among the knuckle draggers I saw a 7/8 year old standing proudly swearing at us as we left. Where were his parents I thought, only to notice his dad next to him frothing at the mouth and giving everyone in sight dogs abuse.

I walked on with my view of Blackpool fans tainted by the thought that this is how these people bring up their kid in your neck of the woods. Not 100 yards up the road where we then mingled with away fans I heard a blackpool dad say to his upset lad "Sometimes son you have to hold your hands up and take it on the chin". Instantly i felt guilty and was reminded me that football clubs fans are all the same mix of spanners and good people. Well done for playing your part in what felt like a great atmosphere.

As for the football I thought you were decent enough and had we had hugton in charge you would have probably won 2.0.

We gave your cbs the ball a lot, not sure i could take the heart attack that is the number of pacey passbacks to the keeper. Glad gabriel is settling in well. Good touch of class from him at the end clapping the stadium. Hopefully we have raised him well and he does well for you. Good luck for the season.
 
Don'tmentionDobbie said:
Forest fan here. Wouldn't normally join a forum to post but something amused me today. You turned up in great numbers (hope some stayed on for the beer festival), were in good voice and had a decent level of rowdiness throughout. On leaving the ground I was impressed.

Then on leaving, in the car park, among the knuckle draggers I saw a 7/8 year old standing proudly swearing at us as we left. Where were his parents I thought, only to notice his dad next to him frothing at the mouth and giving everyone in sight dogs abuse.

I walked on with my view of Blackpool fans tainted by the thought that this is how these people bring up their kid in your neck of the woods. Not 100 yards up the road where we then mingled with away fans I heard a blackpool dad say to his upset lad "Sometimes son you have to hold your hands up and take it on the chin". Instantly i felt guilty and was reminded me that football clubs fans are all the same mix of spanners and good people. Well done for playing your part in what felt like a great atmosphere.

As for the football I thought you were decent enough and had we had hugton in charge you would have probably won 2.0.

We gave your cbs the ball a lot, not sure i could take the heart attack that is the number of pacey passbacks to the keeper. Glad gabriel is settling in well. Good touch of class from him at the end clapping the stadium. Hopefully we have raised him well and he does well for you. Good luck for the season.
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Good post that ,thank you.Good luck to you and your team ,apart of course from your visit to Bloomfield Road.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Slept on it and watched the ‘highlights..

Grimshaw didn’t do a thing wrong. Dealt with some silly back passes quite well. Lacks the long distribution of Maxwell and the leadership qualities too but he’s young and going to improve.

Gabriel had a good game. Was kept very busy by Lowe in the first half and arguably should have been a little closer to his man for their first goal but it was a hell of a pass, relatively flat and powerful, and the Forest player controlled it beautifully with his first touch. Our CB’s should have been able to track the Forest man who finished it too. But it was a great goal by them and most teams concede it at whatever level. Gabriel was impressive in the second half albeit maybe lacking a natural rapport with Bowler as they got under each other’s feet a few times.

Keogh and Epiketa did pretty well dealing with Grabban. Could have done more to prevent the first goal, lucky not to be caught out flat footed a couple of times (but Gabriel saved them) and they did lose the plot in the last 15 minutes with some poor passing. Would have liked to see them carry the ball further forward when we’re chasing the game. I think with Maxwell barking orders they’re a better unit.

Garbutt not able to offer much going forward but did well against one of the leagues biggest talents. Was left exposed and open time and time again by TJJ but still managed to get forward to put some good crosses in. Looks much better and more confident getting forward when playing with Keshi as Keshi offers more and works harder defensively than TJJ. Also bare in mind Garbutt has to cover Keoghs lack of pace. Garbutts contribution seems to go unnoticed by a lot but he does a hell of a lot of work for this squad.

Stewart and Wintle both seemed a little off the pace today and the passing wasn’t really good enough. Both got stuck in but neither really got on the ball and made anything happen. The forwards and Bowler in particularly dropped much deeper to pick up the ball as a result and we looked worse for it. Massive improvement when Dougall came on and looked more positive going forward (although his passing wasn’t too great either).

Bowler was keen to get on the ball, beat his man multiple times and was unfortunate that he’s not quite the finished article when it comes to making the final ball. He works hard, tracks back and tries be positive. Decision making will come with experience and hopefully crossing and passing with hard work on the training ground. Once he’s more polished he’ll be a Premier League player.

TJJ - wants too much time and space to do anything. Has a good touch 50% of the time and looks threatening over the first 10 yards of any run but then runs out of ideas, runs down dead ends or just misplaces a pass. Doesn’t work anywhere near hard enough for the team, doesn’t close down and press and doesn’t track back. Largely at fault for the second Forest goal and let them turn our attack into theirs by simply not working hard enough - which is unforgivable. I’ve seen it back and I don’t think it was a pen. Mitchell was a massive improvement.

Madine didn’t look on his game. Struggled to get involved, rarely held up the ball and ran around a lot without ever getting into a threatening position. He should be the ideal pivot between midfield and attack and players like TJJ, Bowler and Yates should be playing off of snd running beyond him but it didn’t happen. I can understand why Carey came in as Madine wasn’t playing as a Target Man and that between the lines role Madine should have been playing yesterday needs creativity and individuality so Carey was a reasonable switch. It didn’t work out for either unfortunately.

Yates - worked hard, gets into positions and makes himself available but the service wasn’t there. Scored a poachers goal and did everything asked of him all game. Covers more ground than most when our midfield are this deep and ineffectual and as a result ends up less likely to score himself. 3 goals in 10 games for Yates isn’t a bad return and he’ll only get better and better.

Dougall and Mitchell improved the team when they came on. Hopegully Keshi and Sterling as well as Gretarsson are back in contention on Wednesday.
I’d drop TJJ from the squad all together and would much rather bring Bange or another one of our own kids onto the bench as hopefully they’ll bust a gut and show TJJ up for his lack of work ethic.
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LA1, I listened on Lancs and have subsequently watched the highlights. Although your comments are detailed I think you should have recognised Madine's excellent header leading to the first penalty shout. Also, the defence left their right hand side too open to the Forest attack for both goals.
 
Why do we keep playing TJJ ? More effective in Arsenal reserves. Come on Pool we're better than this.
 
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Not at our best and agree about the fine margins with the pen, but listening to this it sounds like promotion is on the cards for forest. Personally I wasn't impressed with them and think they'll continue to struggle.
 
The football there must have been dire, because for all their ‘optimism’ they caught us at the right time and a little bit out of sorts.

They were up for it and the first goal was quality (albeit helped by our lack of anticipation), but we’ve beaten far better sides this season.
 
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