Ollie Norburn

SeasideKurt said:
Why would you sell your captain, who's proving himself at a higher level, for the same value as you bought him for? Makes zero sense and it's taking the piss offering the same.
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Make your mind up are we offering 60-75% or the same??!

It's a transfer window and we've offered £XX amount for a player.
The club will either want to sell or not.
If they do 👍🏻
If they don't 🤷‍♂️
 
poolseasider said:
What's wrong with a 30 Yr old?

We're looking at the here and now and we need a midfielder not someone we can cash in at some point.
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I understand we're looking at the here and now and I don't think Norburn would be bad, but if we're going to pay a big fee for a player I'd rather that fee be for someone whose best years are ahead of them instead of a player we'd realistically only get 2-3 good years out of.

If we're just looking at the here and now we could easily get a loan CM or a free agent to plug the gap until the season is over.
 
Rektseasider said:
Agreed, I get the feeling they might want to move away from an abundance of loan players to literally 1 or 2 as I think we’ve not had the best experience with our loan players since Sadler took over. But I agree in this situation pick up a decent loan.

I think we’re around the million pound mark for budget this window. Probably not enough to get someone like Norburn or Branagan but might cover a very good loan player till the summer.
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If the £1m budget is accurate and for arguments sake we have accrued £500k at 250k apiece for Mitchell and Gretarsson spent £700kish on Beesley and Dale we still have a tidy bit left in the pocket.

All the other bits and bobs of ins and outs should cover the Kirk salary unless of course we have also paid a loan fee on top

Either way we should still have enough to support a bid for a CM unless of course the fees in are inclusive of the £1M budget.Finances eh.🙂
 
Rektseasider said:
So we need central midfielders at around a million quid.

O’Hare and Piroe would sell for well in excess of that in this window. If you mean we could sign similar levels of ability, I agree they’re out there but I think we re at panic stations abit now and haven’t the time to develop proper reports on potential players.

Gyokeres and Riis both I think went for over a million last summer and are strikers.

Jacobsen at Wycombe? Always thought he was a wing back.
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I'm naming players who were signed for around a million cod you simply said "I just don’t think around about a million gets you a solid, stable, resalable asset in the championship these days."

Strikers cost more than midfield players so a million is plenty, it would seem. Hamer and O'Hare are midfield players. Posh got Norburn for about 300k I think.
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Bloodorange said:
If the £1m budget is accurate and for arguments sake we have accrued £500k at 250k apiece for Mitchell and Gretarsson spent £700kish on Beesley and Dale we still have a tidy bit left in the pocket.

All the other bits and bobs of ins and outs should cover the Kirk salary unless of course we have also paid a loan fee on top

Either way we should still have enough to support a bid for a CM unless of course the fees in are inclusive of the £1M budget.Finances eh.🙂
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A bit out with your valuations of the Mitchell , Beesley and Gretarson deals. Mitchell was less than 100k and I don’t know but I doubt Gretarson was much more. Beesley was reported at 300k.

Anyway, people seemed to get a bit peeved when I say ‘I’ve heard’ but I was told Brannagan was the number one target this window but Oxford were pricing him just out of our budget at around 1.3 million. I had to read between the lines of my conversation but I think our budget right now is just under a million, we tried to use Jordan Thorneily as a make weight but Oxford weren’t biting.
 
voyeur said:
I'm naming players who were signed for around a million cod you simply said "I just don’t think around about a million gets you a solid, stable, resalable asset in the championship these days."

Strikers cost more than midfield players so a million is plenty, it would seem. Hamer and O'Hare are midfield players. Posh got Norburn for about 300k I think.
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Well apologise, I was talking about what we need now a central midfielder ideally that can play now and the club would want someone with re sale value.

O’Hare was on loan with Cov in league one so they had a very good idea what they were getting. Hamer was purchased for in excess of a million quid. Which is my point exactly.

My point was at this stage, we desperately need a central midfielder that can go in on the weekend and then play the majority of Championship games till the end of the season at the required level. That’s tough to find at a million quid.

If you scout someone out over the course of a season or seasons then you can find people like O Hare, Yates Bowler etc, but it doesn’t seem like we’re not there now. The people we wanted have been priced out partly due to it being January.
 
That McAnthony is a nob and I wouldn't be surprised if Norburn has had some disagreements with Fergie Jr since he's been made captain. Or it could be all speculation and we are just putting up a smokescreen before going back in for Brannagan.
 
Wizzerboy said:
Make your mind up are we offering 60-75% or the same??!

It's a transfer window and we've offered £XX amount for a player.
The club will either want to sell or not.
If they do 👍🏻
If they don't 🤷‍♂️
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I don't need to make my mind up. You need to learn to read. He's worth 25-40 percent percent more than we are offering. Clearly otherwise, if he was an option, Peterborough would have accepted. Pretty simple, his value has definitely gone up since he was purchased 6 months ago for his role in their team and standard of football he's playing at.

We're also 25-40% short of Cameron Brannigans valuation which is factually correct.

Oxford didn't have a choice if they wanted to sell or not had we met the release clause.
 
SeasideKurt said:
Why would you sell your captain, who's proving himself at a higher level, for the same value as you bought him for? Makes zero sense and it's taking the piss offering the same.
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Whereas Forest offering an initial £100,000 for the highest ranked dribbler in the division is shrewd bargaining?
 
SeasideKurt said:
I don't need to make my mind up. You need to learn to read. He's worth 25-40 percent percent more than we are offering. Clearly otherwise, if he was an option, Peterborough would have accepted. Pretty simple, his value has definitely gone up since he was purchased 6 months ago for his role in their team and standard of football he's playing at.

We're also 25-40% short of Cameron Brannigans valuation which is factually correct.

Oxford didn't have a choice if they wanted to sell or not had we met the release clause.
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We're not talking about Brannigan are we🤷‍♂️
And if I'm reading your analogy correctly, your saying a players value goes up by between 25-40% after 6 months of purchase!!
Wow, just wow🤣🤣🤣
 
Wizzerboy said:
We're not talking about Brannigan are we🤷‍♂️
And if I'm reading your analogy correctly, your saying a players value goes up by between 25-40% after 6 months of purchase!!
Wow, just wow🤣🤣🤣
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Yeah, it does. If you're playing at a higher level. And their chairman literally has told us what we've offered.

Do you reckon he wants another 5er?

What part of all of this are you finding so difficult to understand? Shall I spell it out like I'm telling my 8 year old daughter? Or do you want me to draw a diagram? Or are you being ** thick for fun?

Player signs for club a level above for 350k.
Player becomes captain and regular for club at level above.
Club offers 350k for same player 6 months later and gets told to fuck off.
Club offers 500-600k bid gets accepted or rejected.
25% plus or more.
 
SeasideKurt said:
Yeah, it does. If you're playing at a higher level. And their chairman literally has told us what we've offered.

Do you reckon he wants another 5er?

What part of all of this are you finding so difficult to understand? Shall I spell it out like I'm telling my 8 year old daughter? Or do you want me to draw a diagram? Or are you being ** thick for fun?

Player signs for club a level above for 350k.
Player becomes captain and regular for club at level above.
Club offers 350k for same player 6 months later and gets told to fuck off.
Club offers 500-600k bid gets accepted or rejected.
25% plus or more.
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Well there you go.
Give em a quick bell at Bloomfield Rd and offer your services.
I'm sure they'll snap you up, being the financial mastermind you are🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
Rektseasider said:
So we need central midfielders at around a million quid.

O’Hare and Piroe would sell for well in excess of that in this window. If you mean we could sign similar levels of ability, I agree they’re out there but I think we re at panic stations abit now and haven’t the time to develop proper reports on potential players.

Gyokeres and Riis both I think went for over a million last summer and are strikers.

Jacobsen at Wycombe? Always thought he was a wing back.
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Think he’s talking about Emil Riis-Jakobsen at Preston, that’s his full name.
 
Wizzerboy said:
Obviously didn't offer 25-40% more than Posh paid!!!
Damn 😖
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But he probably is worth more than 350k though. Posh made a shrewd signing and got him for a low amount given the return they’ve got from him so now you think they will pass that bargain onto someone else?
 
Maybe Norburn would rather be playing in the Championship next season rather than sinking back into league one with the ‘Posh’.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Agree only went to Posh in August 21 on a 3 year deal (undisclosed fee) and only recently made captain in Dec 21.
Why would they want rid if the rumours are true of course?
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I wondered if they believe they will drop and this is a way of getting some cash to rebuild. Must admit though that even if that was the thinking, it’s an odd time to do it.
 
Rektseasider said:
A bit out with your valuations of the Mitchell , Beesley and Gretarson deals. Mitchell was less than 100k and I don’t know but I doubt Gretarson was much more. Beesley was reported at 300k.

Anyway, people seemed to get a bit peeved when I say ‘I’ve heard’ but I was told Brannagan was the number one target this window but Oxford were pricing him just out of our budget at around 1.3 million. I had to read between the lines of my conversation but I think our budget right now is just under a million, we tried to use Jordan Thorneily as a make weight but Oxford weren’t biting.
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Sounds about right, we probably had about 1,000,000 in the Summer and 1,000,000 in this window to work with for transfer funds, which is higher than it ever was last time we were in the Championship...

We won't get a marquee CM in this window, but we've done some great business that will help prepare for the future as well as see us over the line in this season.

We'll go again in the Summer when deals will be easier to come by.
 
King Billy said:
But he probably is worth more than 350k though. Posh made a shrewd signing and got him for a low amount given the return they’ve got from him so now you think they will pass that bargain onto someone else?
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It's not happening KB so it doesn't matter👍🏻
 
MacAnthony said: “A change of manager is not happening. If Darren goes I go. I am standing by that.”

How many times has he sacked him before? Like I said he's a nob, anyone would think Peterborough are Real Madrid the way he postures.

Reading through the Posh forum and Ferguson is beginning feel the backlash from the fans because they keep capitulating late in games.
 
I’m fully with the club on our approach, vast majority of Critchleys signings have been a success. Hate wasting the club’s money on overrated and overpaid players I’d rather we buy the best young midfielder in the conference even if you have to pay 500k than spend that much on players 30 and over many of whom are just going through the motions seeing their careers out. Added bonus of this sort of approach is if they massively overachieve you can sell on for big profit.
 
Memphisboy said:
I’m fully with the club on our approach, vast majority of Critchleys signings have been a success. Hate wasting the club’s money on overrated and overpaid players I’d rather we buy the best young midfielder in the conference even if you have to pay 500k than spend that much on players 30 and over many of whom are just going through the motions seeing their careers out. Added bonus of this sort of approach is if they massively overachieve you can sell on for big profit.
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Pretty much how I see it.
 
JJpool said:
Becoming a bit of a common theme this...
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Yep. It’s like under KO, offer piss poor amounts knowing full well they won’t get accepted. It’s a stupid bid as is the whole Brannagan saga. Oxford couldn’t be clearer they will only sell unless they have to (release clause) but still we spend weeks trying to do the deal and offer a mid range league one player thinking that will clinch the deal. Either offer the release clause or don’t.
At least we signed someone on loan from a mid table league one side who they didn’t want with no problems.
 
King Billy said:
Yep. It’s like under KO, offer piss poor amounts knowing full well they won’t get accepted. It’s a stupid bid as is the whole Brannagan saga. Oxford couldn’t be clearer they will only sell unless they have to (release clause) but still we spend weeks trying to do the deal and offer a mid range league one player thinking that will clinch the deal. Either offer the release clause or don’t.
At least we signed someone on loan from a mid table league one side who they didn’t want with no problems.
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I wouldn't say its close to that, we were awful back then.

But we seem to be faffing about a bit and we have a plan and stick to it, I get that.

But when we know there's a release clause either we can meet it or we can't.

I suppose other clubs have tried it with us with lower offers in an attempt to maybe unsettle the player and us maybe consider cashing in.

But sometimes you have to pay the going rate.
 
tangerine_neil said:
Starting to feel a bit scattergun as well.
Just need the fax machine to break for old times sake. 😬
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Scattergun is exactly the right word for the January transfer window. I wouldn't buy anyone now until the summer just for the sake of it. We need a central midfielder, lets go and loan one, or even 2. If Stewart can stay fit for the rest of the season then he and Dougall will be perfect for the middle of the park.
 
What about Lowery and Finney at Crewe? Fits our criteria.

Alternatively we could go for Massimo Luongo at QPR. Two reasons.

1. He will be company for Kenny on his international trips
2. He had a spell playing for Swindon!
 
Seainsea said:
That McAnthony is a nob and I wouldn't be surprised if Norburn has had some disagreements with Fergie Jr since he's been made captain. Or it could be all speculation and we are just putting up a smokescreen before going back in for Brannagan.
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Bidding for Norburn at about £300k is hardly much of a smokescreen in terms of Brannagan at about £1.2m
 
We have signed quite a few players at modest fees and they have stepped up. But you cannot do that all of the time and sometimes quality does cost, especially mid season when there are fewer players available or out of contract
 
AmericanTangerine said:
I would, he's been useful for Cardiff ever since he got back and they won't want to sell since they're facing an uphill battle against relegation.

They would want 2,000,000 minimum and we don't have that much to spend.
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You're probably right. I can just see something happening we thought wouldn't happen, or didn't know about coming off.
 
Isn't this the same chairman who felt the need to say we'd struggle to hold on to Critchley (because he was, and is, showing Ferguson up), just shortly before he signed a new 4.5 year contract with us?

He talks rubbish, and is way too fond of the sound of his own voice.

That said, this is a very strange target. It just doesn't fit the normal player profile that we go for. I'd rather we went for a good loan to solve our midfield problems - and sort them out properly in summer when we know the state of recovery of the injured players - than spend £100k's on a near 30 year old player. Our funds are limited and we should really only be spending significant sums on players that have the possibility of being sold on for a profit at a later date. You have to say that Norburn is probably not one of those players.

It feels like we're panicking a bit, when our league standing and performances to date this season don't merit it.
 
Memphisboy said:
I’m fully with the club on our approach, vast majority of Critchleys signings have been a success. Hate wasting the club’s money on overrated and overpaid players I’d rather we buy the best young midfielder in the conference even if you have to pay 500k than spend that much on players 30 and over many of whom are just going through the motions seeing their careers out. Added bonus of this sort of approach is if they massively overachieve you can sell on for big profit.
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Not sure the majority have been a success

Loan signings
Kemp
Woodburn
John Jules

Permanent signings been and gone
Gretarsson
Mitchell
Williams
Sarkic

Then signings who dont play games
Lubala
Robson
Moore
Casey

Could field an 11 with poor Critchley signings
 
Only thing I am surprised is the age , last few seasons pool stayed away from older signings , especially fees added as well
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Not sure the majority have been a success

Loan signings
Kemp
Woodburn
John Jules

Permanent signings been and gone
Gretarsson
Mitchell
Williams
Sarkic

Then signings who dont play games
Lubala
Robson
Moore
Casey

Could field an 11 with poor Critchley signings
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Not sure this is fair. Gretarsson played well last season, Mitchell did a job too. Moore may well have had a first team run but unluckily missed out to Grimshaw and Casey’s time will come.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
You have it wrong

The positive posters want us to be the best we can be and strive for success signing the best possible players

The negative ones want cheap loans and stop gap signings
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Nope sorry Phil you’ve got it wrong, l agree that there are some negative posters but in the minority but in the main we have a lot of positive posters, but as l said previously it’s all about opinions.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
You have it wrong

The positive posters want us to be the best we can be and strive for success signing the best possible players

The negative ones want cheap loans and stop gap signings
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Opinions Phil, it’s all about opinions. We’re football fans not multi millionaire chairman with a clear and unhindered knowledge of the facts behind the scenes. We all want the same thing.
 
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