Pilley gets 13 years

PETER SPRUCE 1 said:
The Great Train Robbers got more than that the sixties (and never robbed or defrauded anyone person) lenient in my opinion for what he did robbing charities etc.
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While I agree with the sentiment of your post I don’t think a sentence 1 year short of the maximum available for the crime could be called lenient.

The judge went in hard but Pilley has earned every day of the nearly 9 years that he will serve.
 
PNENIL said:
Fleetwood not our rivals or a derby eh?
I doubt the Burnley owner getting 13 years would get 280 posts in less than a day. Probably struggle to reach 20.
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Maybe because he's a Blackpool fan who tried to buy BFC and has bankrolled a pub team with dirty cash, luckily they don't have Stevie G (V). as manager.
 
TheSpiritOf53 said:
While I agree with the sentiment of your post I don’t think a sentence 1 year short of the maximum available for the crime could be called lenient.

The judge went in hard but Pilley has earned every day of the nearly 9 years that he will serve.
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six and a half
 
Ollygon said:
I haven't followed the case, and I generally feel ambivalent about Pilley, but in my opinion this is a disgraceful sentence.

Was the Judge's brother one of the victims?

As said elsewhere, some rapists and paedophiles have got lesser sentences.

This stinks.
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L’étranger said:
If it is then no doubt he will appeal and it will be reduced. If it isn’t he’ll serve the time.
Que sera, sera.
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Can also be increased on appeal too, although I doubt it in this case. Seems a tad harsh compared to violent crimes but he still deserves a lengthy spell .
 
AngelBFC said:
I think that’s a myth

For his offence he serves half . Judge has no power to order minimum term
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You serve half for all sentences up to 7 years. Over 7 years it is 2/3. That means Pilley will serve 8 years 8 months or about 8 1/2 years after time already spent inside awaiting sentencing.
 
Seainsea said:
He's not shown any remorse or contrition throughout the process. He's made millions dishonestly and openly laughed at victims who took him to court. Add to that he didn't want to sit in the dock because he found it humiliating. No wonder the judge passed down a heavy sentence.
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What is the mentality of an accused asking not to sit in the dock ? I really don’t understand the mindset of that, of why he thought he would or could be an exception 🤷‍♀️
 
Wonder where all his millions are, what they are funding. On release he may head out to South Africa and play with his stash. Can the UK authorities find cash in other countries and seize.
 
Lala said:
What is the mentality of an accused asking not to sit in the dock ? I really don’t understand the mindset of that, of why he thought he would or could be an exception 🤷‍♀️
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Cos he thinks that he’s better than anyone else in prison but he isn’t and in some ways what he’s done is probably worse than some that are in prison
 
Lala said:
I’m suprised there wasn’t a loss of life somewhere down the line. It’s disgusting how they treated people, ruining livelihoods and peoples sanity 😡

Yes, the more you read the more 13 years seems apt.
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I know someone on the receiving end of what went on. All I will say is that it was disgusting the methods used to stitch these victims up! I’m very, very surprised someone hasn’t taken this further and the red mist descend into violence. maybe he’ll ‘slip on a bar of soap’ in prison
 
Unless you’ve been in court listening to the evidence every day it’s difficult to form a proper opinion on whether the sentence is too harsh or too lenient isn’t it ?

Had it been reported in the press by way of a daily live blog maybe it’s possible but that didn’t happen
 
Tango1953 said:
Did you read it?
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Yes, It may astound you to know prison isn't the only punishment and that a sentence of 6+6 or similar would allow the community to benefit from his obvious talents whilst still punishing. This obsession with prison must stop because it doesn't work.
 
AngelBFC said:
Unless you’ve been in court listening to the evidence every day it’s difficult to form a proper opinion on whether the sentence is too harsh or too lenient isn’t it ?

Had it been reported in the press by way of a daily live blog maybe it’s possible but that didn’t happen
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That is true. However, the people dismissing it seemed to be doing so in the basis the crime was "financial".

The impact of what Pilley did ruined people's livelihoods, forced them to close businesses and surrender their own retirement dreams. Some may even be working years or a decade longer because of how badly the "financial" impact was on them. They have lived through the days and hours and the stress that goes with it, at points with no end in sight and no support or belief that the wrongs they suffered would be righted.

I don't want people to side one way or the other on the sentencing issue. It's immaterial. I do want people to at least accept there are human victims in this though and they have suffered consequences beyond merely "financial", and that their voices deserve to be heard.
 
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Wizaard said:
Not at all. He's destroyed hundreds of lives. That deserves punishment as severe as possible. Its actually a year beneath the maximum tariff.
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Why what's done is done and a sense of proportion is required. Yes punishment but this?
 
bill40 said:
Yes, It may astound you to know prison isn't the only punishment and that a sentence of 6+6 or similar would allow the community to benefit from his obvious talents whilst still punishing. This obsession with prison must stop because it doesn't work.
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The benefits he provided to a community were at the detriment of another and were done so illegally. His "obvious talents" have only ever been applied to illegal activity.
 
Assets obtained by fraudulent trading can be ‘frozen’ initially and eventually seized by the crown. A good crown lawyer would be appointed to oversee this including worldwide assets.

A recent case of a large UK based fraud saw assets seized in Canada/France and Italy. Bank accounts in the Cayman Islands and Paraguay are not out of reach either.

Will be interesting how Trading standards proceed from here.
 
TheSpiritOf53 said:
While I agree with the sentiment of your post I don’t think a sentence 1 year short of the maximum available for the crime could be called lenient.

The judge went in hard but Pilley has earned every day of the nearly 9 years that he will serve.
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What do you mean earned?
 
Tango1953 said:
You think that the UK can't seize assets of UK citizens that are located in Dubai?
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In simple terms there will be a report prepared detailing how much he has benefited from his crime and how much he’s got available ie what he’s got cash and asset wise home and abroad .

He’ll then be told to pay a figure or he ‘ll get extra time in prison .

Poca enforcement will also make moves to turn assets into cash to pay the figure if he doesn’t make payment .

That’s pretty much how it works in a nutshell .
 
AngelBFC said:
In simple terms there will be a report prepared detailing what he’s got including home and abroad .

He’ll be told to pay a figure or he ‘ll get extra time in prison .

That’s how it works .
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Agree with that, up until the extra time.in prison for non payment. My understanding was that if he couldn't settle the figure the POCA dictates, then his assets would be seized by the courts and sold off by the court appointed receiver. Not wholly dissimilar to the outcome of OO's civil case.

I'm not a legal by profession though, so the above is assumed.
 
Bored at work, so just had a read of the POCA. Most of this stuff goes right over my head, but the way it reads to me is that anything he bought whilst he was scamming people can be taken by the police. This includes businesses, houses, cars, jewellery, clothes, etc.
Fleetwood was bought right in the middle of all this, so realistically does this mean that it can be seized under the POCA? Wonder if anyone on here knows properly how it all works.
 
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