Pilleys Sister out in June/Pilley in November Apparently

A friend of a friend said something similar re Pilley. He works at a prison and seems to think non violent prisoners are being released quite early due to the fact there is no space for them.
 
Back on the Chain gang Pretenders .probably not. its a fact that the prison system IS stretched to breaking point Whoever runs the next govt should take a long hard look at reform. Not excusing any criminality but maybe earlier release is one answer.
 
Im sure I read somewhere pilley got 13 years to serve a minimum of 9. No way can I see that fraud getting out. I also can’t see the others being released so early as they were given 6 & 7 years Won’t happen
 
FY4Representer said:
He made charities for kids with cancer go under because of his disgusting business dealings. Throwing away the key would have been better for a scumbag like him.
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Im not saying what he did was acceptable it wasn’t but as I said previously he didn’t kill anyone though did he?

People convicted on manslaughter charges and pedophiles have been given less severe sentences that just can’t be right.

People have these views because it’s Pilley and the owner of FTFC plain and simple.
 
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Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Im not saying what he did was acceptable it wasn’t but as I said previously he didn’t kill anyone though did he?

People convicted on manslaughter charges and pedophiles have been given less severe sentences that just can’t be right.

People have these views because it’s Pilley and the owner of FTFC plain and simple.
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And your only defending him because of FTFC anyone else got sent down for fraud you wouldn't give a toss.

Fraud cases have always got bigger sentences because of the amount of people affected.
If you want a change in law fair enough but AP got what he deserved compared to other serving fraudsters.
 
poolseasider said:
And your only defending him because of FTFC anyone else got sent down for fraud you wouldn't give a toss.

Fraud cases have always got bigger sentences because of the amount of people affected.
If you want a change in law fair enough but AP got what he deserved compared to other serving fraudsters.
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Not true I’ve commented loads of times on here regarding sentencing and the British justice system in general.

Only the last week or two in fact of that scum bag murdering those 3 people in Nottingham and only being sent down on manslaughter charges I was very critical of the sentence he got.

Feel free to check back you’ll soon find it just not sure what thread it was on. 😉

Anyway let’s see if Michelle Mone and Jimmy Krankie both get 13 years for fraud but we both know they won’t even if they are convicted.
 
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Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Not true I’ve commented loads of times on here regarding sentencing and the British justice system in general.

Only the last week or two in fact of that scum bag murdering those 3 people in Nottingham and only being sent down on manslaughter charges I was very critical of the sentence he got.

Feel free to check back you’ll soon find it just not sure what thread it was on. 😉

Anyway let’s see if Michelle Mone and Jimmy Krankie both get 13 years for fraud but we both know they won’t even if they are convicted.
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Sorry I must have missed where you commented on fraud cases and the length of their sentences.😉
 
poolseasider said:
Sorry I must have missed where you commented on fraud cases and the length of their sentences.😉
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I mentioned sentencing never even mentioned fraud.

Anyway while on topic the average sentence for fraud in the U.K. is 2-7 years depending on the severity.

Yes I know It was Pilleys second fraud charge so you’d expect a bit more but come on 13 years?
 
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Jaffa_The_Hut said:
I mentioned sentencing never even mentioned fraud.

Anyway while on topic the average sentence for fraud in the U.K. is 2-7 years depending on the severity.

Yes I know It was Pilleys second charge but come on 13 years?
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I can't answer your question all I can do is compare-
Sisters best friends partner got 7 years(first offence) for involvement in a fraud,not the same sums involved ,didn't employ staff as part of his fraud or rip off charities and small businesses.

You can get over 2 years for selling dodgy Kodi sticks as part of a fraud which most of us have so should other crimes be punished more probably.
 
Novelli86 said:
A friend of a friend said something similar re Pilley. He works at a prison and seems to think non violent prisoners are being released quite early due to the fact there is no space for them.
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They're even doing it with violent offenders. Mate of mines brother had his eye socket broken in Walkabout last year. The guy that did it has 12 conviction for violence and got given 3 years in October, just been told that he's getting out on tag this month. Served 4 month, when his victim was told he would have to serve at least half of his sentence. Prisons are full to busting so they're letting anyone that's behaved whilst locked up out as early as possible.
 
JOHNMAJORTOM said:
Back on the Chain gang Pretenders .probably not. its a fact that the prison system IS stretched to breaking point Whoever runs the next govt should take a long hard look at reform. Not excusing any criminality but maybe earlier release is one answer.
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They tried this in 96. They allowed remand time to count twice, dropped the population by a couple of thousand and then pulled it.
Please be assured there is no way Pilley is getting g released so may in to a long sentence.
 
Novelli86 said:
A friend of a friend said something similar re Pilley. He works at a prison and seems to think non violent prisoners are being released quite early due to the fact there is no space for them.
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Non violent prisoners approaching the last 2yrs of sentence would be assessed, recategorised and sent to an open prison.
The population pressure is at the top of the system, local jails receiving prisoners from court and the Cat B prisoners.
The Cat Bs won't be released due to population pressures, non violent or not.
Pilley will still be Cat B at this stage of his sentence.
 
Mcewans Mullet said:
Non violent prisoners approaching the last 2yrs of sentence would be assessed, recategorised and sent to an open prison.
The population pressure is at the top of the system, local jails receiving prisoners from court and the Cat B prisoners.
The Cat Bs won't be released due to population pressures, non violent or not.
Pilley will still be Cat B at this stage of his sentence.
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Some good points . I have watched some docs including the recent one about LEEDS jail. GOD forbid at my age just turned 64 I would be imprisoned. Go on Tik Tok . WOW just type in prisons. El Salvador. jeez.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Not true I’ve commented loads of times on here regarding sentencing and the British justice system in general.

Only the last week or two in fact of that scum bag murdering those 3 people in Nottingham and only being sent down on manslaughter charges I was very critical of the sentence he got.

Feel free to check back you’ll soon find it just not sure what thread it was on. 😉

Anyway let’s see if Michelle Mone and Jimmy Krankie both get 13 years for fraud but we both know they won’t even if they are convicted.
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jimmy jimmy krankie. mty fave JOKE politician.
 
JOHNMAJORTOM said:
Some good points . I have watched some docs including the recent one about LEEDS jail. GOD forbid at my age just turned 64 I would be imprisoned. Go on Tik Tok . WOW just type in prisons. El Salvador. jeez.
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All the spaces are at open prisons. The NW has 3. Capacity over 1500. Can't fill them with suitable prisoners.

No need for tik tok, I would be surprised if anyone has more of an insight of jails on this board than me.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Im not saying what he did was acceptable it wasn’t but as I said previously he didn’t kill anyone though did he?

People convicted on manslaughter charges and pedophiles have been given less severe sentences that just can’t be right.

People have these views because it’s Pilley and the owner of FTFC plain and simple.
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Wrong .. it’s because he’s a c@nt
 
It’s not the first time pilley the fraudster has been jailed for theft/fraud.
This last fraud case he got so many people involved in what he was doing. He deserves all he gets the sly bas****. Ripping off and forcing small businesses to go bust, children’s charities ripped off etc. hope the fuc*** rots
 
Mcewans Mullet said:
Non violent prisoners approaching the last 2yrs of sentence would be assessed, recategorised and sent to an open prison.
The population pressure is at the top of the system, local jails receiving prisoners from court and the Cat B prisoners.
The Cat Bs won't be released due to population pressures, non violent or not.
Pilley will still be Cat B at this stage of his sentence.
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Fair enough mate, I have zero insight. Just repeating what I'd heard on the grapevine 👍
 
seasideone said:
His court sheet after sentencing stated a min release date of 50% time to be served.

It’s available on the internet if anyone can be bothered looking.
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I am not commenting on Pilley but there are cases when people are not released as such but are able to spend the latter part of their sentence at home under curfew.

I repeat, my comments have got nothing to do with Pilley.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
I am not commenting on Pilley but there are cases when people are not released as such but are able to spend the latter part of their sentence at home under curfew.

I repeat, my comments have got nothing to do with Pilley.
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I'm not clear: are you saying the latter part of Pilley's sentence will be spent at home under curfew?
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Not true I’ve commented loads of times on here regarding sentencing and the British justice system in general.

Only the last week or two in fact of that scum bag murdering those 3 people in Nottingham and only being sent down on manslaughter charges I was very critical of the sentence he got.

Feel free to check back you’ll soon find it just not sure what thread it was on. 😉

Anyway let’s see if Michelle Mone and Jimmy Krankie both get 13 years for fraud but we both know they won’t even if they are convicted.
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Longer sentence because it went on for years, ruining people and not giving a fuk, he also didn't do himself any favours during the investigation playing billy big bollocks, it's borderline psychotic.
 
He will serve 6.5 years, ie half of his sentence. He won’t be eligible for Home Detention Curfew as the law currently stands- that’s reserved for non sexual or violent offenders serving less than 4 years.

Of course, Parliament could decide to change the law and make it retrospective if prison overcrowding became so bad.

And given he was on bail until convicted he’ll only have a small amount to come off for his period on remand before sentence so I make late 2029 about right
 
Mcewans Mullet said:
All the spaces are at open prisons. The NW has 3. Capacity over 1500. Can't fill them with suitable prisoners.

No need for tik tok, I would be surprised if anyone has more of an insight of jails on this board than me.
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Sorry I missed the context MM. Do you work in prisons or have done time?

What are open prisons like in reality?
 
berthalovelybertha said:
I'm not clear: are you saying the latter part of Pilley's sentence will be spent at home under curfew?
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I am not talking about Pilley.

In some cases, persons who had received prison sentences are able to spend some of their sentence at home under curfew.

That's not their remission, it is part of their sentence before remission.

Again, I repeat, I am not commenting on Pilley.
 
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