Prince Harry

TSSeasider said:
Haters is such a childish expression.

You mean people who disagree with your opinion about the rights and wrongs of a Prince selling his story.
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No I don't actually, I mean the Harry and Meghan haters. It's not a particularly strong turn of phrase and it isn't always used in the context of actual hate but it is perfectly appropriate in this scenario.

Thanks.
 
TheRealKingKenny said:
You don't have to read the thread and you posting on it only keeps it at the top of the board!

Admittedly, I thought we were done but the haters decided to have another nibble.
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Haters of what? I'd have a full read of the thread if you seriously believe the hate is a one way street towards Harry? But hey, you say tyour apathetic to the monarchy but you seem to be on that one way street when it comes to judging, eh?

You "thought we were done". So did I.
 
TSSeasider said:
But have they though, really.

Andrew hasn't got 'away' with it; it was the investigative media who showed the world what and who he was involved with, and Emily Maitliss, just allowed him to dig his own metaphorical grave.

The only times I see the word Prince Andrew it is proceeded by a variation of the word "disgraced" - rightly he's an outcast in his own family and has had zero opportunity to rehabilitate himself into public life as hard as he's tried.

Meanwhile; Harry has overshared his life, has been inconsistent with what he's said and has sold his side for a fortune - but his only story appears to be what's wrong with everyone else. It's not a good look, and to his family (not the rest of us) it is villainous.

I've met a number of people who have set up charities in memory of relatives who have died; and the one thing they have in common is that it stops them having to grieve, really grieve, the death of their loved one. Having worked in a hospice, having studied 'death and dying' in Uni (albeit 25 years ago) Harry has unresolved grief which really is dictating his behaviour now.

I've said it before, he needs out pity - his book is a cry for help really; he needs plenty of proper help to enable him to heal; until that he's going to continue to be eaten up by how and why his mum died.
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I agree he needs our pity (or maybe sympathy and understanding would be a better way of putting it). Unfortunately there’s very little evidence of “pity” being expressed by his critics. More like hate and bile I’d have said.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
I have read an excerpt and it is actually a comment on the way they were trained to deal with killing. Which is why criticising it is actually criticising the way the Army trains its pilots
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It just goes to show how far the media will go to twist things and how willing people are to jump in and kick him, without even reading for themselves.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
I have read an excerpt and it is actually a comment on the way they were trained to deal with killing. Which is why criticising it is actually criticising the way the Army trains its pilots
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Just another example of the media twisting what was said.

Edit to add. And funnily enough one thing the tabloids never mention is that H&M are suing several papers for some of the lies that have been told about them. Litigation costs money and I dare say a big chunk of the book sales will be going towards a war chest.

I think that’s enough reason to buy a copy 👍
 
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Mexboroseasider said:
I agree he needs our pity (or maybe sympathy and understanding would be a better way of putting it). Unfortunately there’s very little evidence of “pity” being expressed by his critics. More like hate and bile I’d have said.
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"hate and bile"? Yeah perhaps. Of course there's no such thing as a hypocrite or double standards on here with regards to so much that has happened in this country in the world of politics in the UK these last few years eh? AVFTT being AVFTT as perhaps only it can.
 
20togo said:
Haters of what? I'd have a full read of the thread if you seriously believe the hate is a one way street towards Harry? But hey, you say tyour apathetic to the monarchy but you seem to be on that one way street when it comes to judging, eh?

You "thought we were done". So did I.
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I literally said Meghan and Harry haters, why is that hard to understand? It's a turn of phrase for gods sake, it wasn't even intended as an insult towards anybody, I was being facetious more than anything.

There are Royal Family haters too, of course there are.

You're making a big fuss over nothing.
 
20togo said:
"hate and bile"? Yeah perhaps. Of course there's no such thing as a hypocrite or double standards on here with regards to so much that has happened in this country in the world of politics in the UK these last few years eh? AVFTT being AVFTT as perhaps only it can.
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Double Standards?.... Let's be absolutely clear.... It wasn't Harry and Meghan that started any of this... The "Hate and Bile" was in full flow, long before they even raised the matter of leaving the UK, writing books or anything else.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
It’s kind of missing the point of the book or the issues he’s raising. You keep going on about the ‘constitutional monarchy’ and a debate about their future, which is fine and dandy, but it’s not a subject Harry has raised send and nor is it the change he is trying to influence.

He’s aiming his sights at the Press primarily and the issues he raises impact anyone with Celebrity status or in whom their might be ‘so called’ public interest.

You seem to be off on a tangent, having lost the context of the conversation he is driving…. Perhaps that’s what the press intend ?
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I know exactly what the point of his book is. I also know that he is not referencing the constitutional position of the Crown. However, these things, once in the media - and he would have been aware of this - these issues take on a life of their own and among all the detritus and tittle-tattle would come questions about the rights or the suitability of the monarchy to rule in today's world. This has happened. It was inevitable once he opened his gob and my point is that now the cat's out of the bag, it needs a better discussion than will be carried out in the pages of the tabloids.
 
20togo said:
"hate and bile"? Yeah perhaps. Of course there's no such thing as a hypocrite or double standards on here with regards to so much that has happened in this country in the world of politics in the UK these last few years eh? AVFTT being AVFTT as perhaps only it can.
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You’re correct. There is a lot of hate and bile directed at politicians on here; from both sides. Some of it very unattractive. There is a difference though.

What politicians say and do can directly affect the lives of the people who comment. So strong feelings can be understood sometimes.

However Harry’s criticism of the tabloids and the way members of his family have aided and abetted them, don’t impact anyone on here (not as far as I can see anyway). And yet the level of hatred from some posters is astonishing. I find it completely bizarre tbh.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Double Standards?.... Let's be absolutely clear.... It wasn't Harry and Meghan that started any of this... The "Hate and Bile" was in full flow, long before they even raised the matter of leaving the UK, writing books or anything else.
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I think you and TRKK totally miss my point. Have a read of the first line of Mexs post.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
I’d prefer it if you also read the rest of the post as well!

You’re not a part time journalist for a tabloid are you 20s? Posting comments out of context.
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Do you believe I didn't read the rest of your post? Do you believe what I said was inaccurate?
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I know exactly what the point of his book is. I also know that he is not referencing the constitutional position of the Crown. However, these things, once in the media - and he would have been aware of this - these issues take on a life of their own and among all the detritus and tittle-tattle would come questions about the rights or the suitability of the monarchy to rule in today's world. This has happened. It was inevitable once he opened his gob and my point is that now the cat's out of the bag, it needs a better discussion than will be carried out in the pages of the tabloids.
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I'm not sure there's any significant discussion going on in the papers about the future of the 'constitutional monarchy' as a result of this. In fact there was far more discussion in that regard surrounding the death of the queen and it will naturally raise it's head again perhaps as we near the Coronation, but that isn't Harry's fault and he isn't involving himself in that debate or suggesting it takes place in the media.... So I'm still struggling to understand how you can aim any criticism at him?

He's raising a different and very valid point, A point that involves the Media and a debate that will need to be conducted through media sources, a debate that has "tittle tattle" at the very heart of it.

It feels to me like you've just shifted the discussion in a direction that suits your own perspective and overall desire for a debate about the monarchy and then blame Harry for cheapening that debate, having not even engaged in it....
 
20togo said:
Do you believe I didn't read the rest of your post? Do you believe what I said was inaccurate?
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I believe you read the whole of my post. I believe you then decided to select the bit that you wanted and ignore the rest.

Or can I assume that your silence means you agree with the rest of the post?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I'm not sure there's any significant discussion going on in the papers about the future of the 'constitutional monarchy' as a result of this. In fact there was far more discussion in that regard surrounding the death of the queen and it will naturally raise it's head again perhaps as we near the Coronation, but that isn't Harry's fault and he isn't involving himself in that debate or suggesting it takes place in the media.... So I'm still struggling to understand how you can aim any criticism at him?

He's raising a different and very valid point, A point that involves the Media and a debate that will need to be conducted through media sources, a debate that has "tittle tattle" at the very heart of it.

It feels to me like you've just shifted the discussion in a direction that suits your own perspective and overall desire for a debate about the monarchy and then blame Harry for cheapening that debate, having not even engaged in it....
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Give it time, you will see that what I say is true.
 
20togo said:
I think you and TRKK totally miss my point. Have a read of the first line of Mexs post.
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I'm not sure I have?

Politicians are actively engaging in matters that directly impact people's lives.. They are making decisions, acting in a way that can negatively impact on our society...

There's a difference between that and aiming bile at a couple, for no good reason.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
I believe you read the whole of my post. I believe you then decided to select the bit that you wanted and ignore the rest.

Or can I assume that your silence means you agree with the rest of the post?
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You've read enough of my posts to realise I don't do "silence". So you ask me a question without answering the second of mine!
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Give it time, you will see that what I say is true.
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Whether or not it's true, I struggle to see how it could be used as a criticism of Harry and his actions.... It makes no sense .. If the subject of constitutional monarchy raises its head, then let's have a sensible debate about it.. I don't see the issue.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I'm not sure I have?

Politicians are actively engaging in matters that directly impact people's lives.. They are making decisions, acting in a way that can negatively impact on our society...

There's a difference between that and aiming bile at a couple, for no good reason.
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hate is hate and bile is bile, no matter who it's aimed at. I refer you to the "wanker" at post #11.
 
20togo said:
hate is hate and bile is bile, no matter who it's aimed at. I refer you to the "wanker" at post #11.
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Of course.... Though the fact that 'other people do it' isn't a justification.

We've seen the very real impact of how the Press and Social Media can stir these things up and how they can go too far and that applies in particular to a number of Politicians, who have been subjected to abuse, online death threats, attacks and worse still actually killed.

There can be no question and I think it ought to be something we should all be able to agree upon, that the Press treatment of both Harry and Meghan in this country in particular, has been nothing short of downright disgraceful. Ultimately she was a guest in our Country, married to a Prince who has already suffered enough at the hands of the media, she has behaved admirably in every respect and she has been treated so shoddily it's untrue.... Are those the values we hold dear in Great Britain in 2023... A country where a peevish press can nit pick their way through peoples lives and simply choose to force members of our Royal Family into exile on their whim?
 
20togo said:
You've read enough of my posts to realise I don't do "silence". So you ask me a question without answering the second of mine!
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Well you are doing silence right now! You’ve only commented on part of my post and stayed silent on the rest of it. So you clearly do silence.

As for your “second question” (which I think was do I think your post to BFCx3 was accurate), well I’d already agreed with you that there is a lot of hate and bile in posts directed at politicians on both the left and the right. So, as you were simply pointing that out to BFCx3, I don’t see why the question of accuracy comes into it. Unless of course you’re trying to drag me into your argument with BFCx3 as to whether or not he’d misunderstood your earlier post. If that’s what you’re getting at then I’m going to leave that for you and BFCx3 to debate (over the next 3 days).

Now I know that you’re trying to sow mayhem and confusion by leading me down a tangential tributary, so I’ll bring you back to my question and my post about the hate and bile directed at H&M. Do you agree with me or not?
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Well you are doing silence right now! You’ve only commented on part of my post and stayed silent on the rest of it. So you clearly do silence.

As for your “second question” (which I think was do I think your post to BFCx3 was accurate), well I’d already agreed with you that there is a lot of hate and bile in posts directed at politicians on both the left and the right. So, as you were simply pointing that out to BFCx3, I don’t see why the question of accuracy comes into it. Unless of course you’re trying to drag me into your argument with BFCx3 as to whether or not he’d misunderstood your earlier post. If that’s what you’re getting at then I’m going to leave that for you and BFCx3 to debate (over the next 3 days).

Now I know that you’re trying to sow mayhem and confusion by leading me down a tangential tributary, so I’ll bring you back to my question and my post about the hate and bile directed at H&M. Do you agree with me or not?
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nah, not doing silence at all. Just playing along with this big game because jeez, if it wasn't so serious [yawn] it'd be hilarious. Can I get back to you later on your question? 😉 Ah you a part time solicitor btw? Nah, only kidding.

I can understand your comment in your second para. Not sure it makes it right though. That said, it's part of human emotion and our re-actions can depend on what we care about most. As for your last para, as I did with bfc3, I refer you to post #11 and point out it's not a one way street. Does anything the Royals do impact on anyone on here [not as far as i can see anyway] and yet the level of hatred on here is astonishing. See what I did there?😉
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Of course.... Though the fact that 'other people do it' isn't a justification.

We've seen the very real impact of how the Press and Social Media can stir these things up and how they can go too far and that applies in particular to a number of Politicians, who have been subjected to abuse, online death threats, attacks and worse still actually killed.

There can be no question and I think it ought to be something we should all be able to agree upon, that the Press treatment of both Harry and Meghan in this country in particular, has been nothing short of downright disgraceful. Ultimately she was a guest in our Country, married to a Prince who has already suffered enough at the hands of the media, she has behaved admirably in every respect and she has been treated so shoddily it's untrue.... Are those the values we hold dear in Great Britain in 2023... A country where a peevish press can nit pick their way through peoples lives and simply choose to force members of our Royal Family into exile on their whim?
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This is exactly the same as the Home Secretary in conjunction with right wing papers stirring up hatred against desperate asylum seekers and then decrying scum trying to assault those same people in hostels. The press have a lot to answer for.

I cannot understand how Harry is vilified while his paedophile Uncle gets away with it. Remember the same lot slagging Harry were making Andrew the victim of a scheming gold digger.
 
Could I just say that Willie and Prune face seemed as miserable as feck at the rugby yesterday. Not sure if they couldn’t stand the rugby or each other. Perhaps, like England, Willie has been playing away again 🤔
 
Recidivist3 said:
Could I just say that Willie and Prune face seemed as miserable as feck at the rugby yesterday. Not sure if they couldn’t stand the rugby or each other. Perhaps, like England, Willie has been playing away again 🤔
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Being the Prince and Princess of Wales, they had to support Wales, but their hearts are with England. I would be stony faced in those circumstances, in fact I’d probably vomit over those around me.
 
Wizaard said:
This is exactly the same as the Home Secretary in conjunction with right wing papers stirring up hatred against desperate asylum seekers and then decrying scum trying to assault those same people in hostels. The press have a lot to answer for.

I cannot understand how Harry is vilified while his paedophile Uncle gets away with it. Remember the same lot slagging Harry were making Andrew the victim of a scheming gold digger.
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It seems that H & Ms popularity in the States has dropped again after the brilliant South Park and they are both well below Andrew which is amazing. They need to rethink the way they operate
 
Recidivist3 said:
Could I just say that Willie and Prune face seemed as miserable as feck at the rugby yesterday. Not sure if they couldn’t stand the rugby or each other. Perhaps, like England, Willie has been playing away again 🤔
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Recidivist3 said:
Could I just say that Willie and Prune face seemed as miserable as feck at the rugby yesterday. Not sure if they couldn’t stand the rugby or each other. Perhaps, like England, Willie has been playing away again 🤔
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Do you suffer from insomnia and is that what is making you a miserable moaning twunt?😜
 
Chaz King is making a political mistake in evicting Haz and Megs from their Windsor house now. It looks like, and probably is, petty and spiteful revenge taken the day after Harry published his book.

Chaz has compounded his error by reportedly giving the property to the despised Andrew, who actually doesn’t want it. And we don’t yet know who Charles wants to give the massive palatial Royal Lodge to, if he kicks Andrew out. Probably the sainted Wills and fragrant Kate. Chaz should have waited some months for things to quieten down.

What Chaz will find is that many will blame evil fag-hag Camilla for putting him up to it, as few think he has a backbone of his own. Especially as it is rumoured she is insisting on most of her family getting prized places in the Coronation ceremony. Someone royal has pressed the self-destruct button.
 
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Archibald Knox said:
Chaz King is making a political mistake in evicting Haz and Megs from their Windsor house now. It looks like, and probably is, petty and spiteful revenge taken the day after Harry published his book.

Chaz has compounded his error by reportedly giving the property to the despised Andrew, who actually doesn’t want it. And we don’t yet know who Charles wants to give the massive palatial Royal Lodge to, if he kicks Andrew out. Probably the sainted Wills and fragrant Kate. Chaz should have waited some months for things to quieten down.

What Chaz will find is that many will blame evil fag-hag Camilla for putting him up to it, as few think he has a backbone of his own. Especially as it is rumoured she is insisting on most of her family getting prized places in the Coronation ceremony. Someone royal has pressed the self-destruct button.
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Is it spiteful and petty or is it simply a case of actions have consequences.
 
Archibald Knox said:
Chaz King is making a political mistake in evicting Haz and Megs from their Windsor house now. It looks like, and probably is, petty and spiteful revenge taken the day after Harry published his book.

Chaz has compounded his error by reportedly giving the property to the despised Andrew, who actually doesn’t want it. And we don’t yet know who Charles wants to give the massive palatial Royal Lodge to, if he kicks Andrew out. Probably the sainted Wills and fragrant Kate. Chaz should have waited some months for things to quieten down.

What Chaz will find is that many will blame evil fag-hag Camilla for putting him up to it, as few think he has a backbone of his own. Especially as it is rumoured she is insisting on most of her family getting prized places in the Coronation ceremony. Someone royal has pressed the self-destruct button.
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Andrew is officially ranked above them in opinion poll popularity now.
 
Seasider1887 said:
Not in the states they are number 8 Andrew 7. Still would rather have Andrew to a dinner party than those two. They typify the entitled millennials.
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I googled US opinion polls too, same result. Not saying they are popular, although some polls in the US indicate they are thought of favourably when compared to other royals.

To be honest, I wouldn't look into it too much either way, it's only a poll.

I'd definitely rather have dinner with Harry and Meghan.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
I think AK’s point is precisely that actions have consequences.

And that this action by Charles against one of his sons may have consequences.
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I agree Mex, the consequences will be detrimental to all.

But that’s where it’s at now. It’s a shit show of dirty laundry book deals, accusations and bitching.

There are no winners in this.
 
I was at a function a month ago and got talking to a bloke who used to be in Royal Protection (Prince Charles as he was then). Guarded him for 3 years.
Needless to say I asked if he had met all the family and of course (with the exception of Diana) he had met them all.
Obviously he was restricted to what he could say but in a nutshell
Her Majesty. A lovely lady
Prince Phillip Eccentric
Charles. Nice bloke and a pleasure to serve
Anne. Very pleasant
Andrew. Bully who was the least popular
William. Okay
Harry. Although he only accompanied Harry on a couple of occasions he said he was a gent and very focused on the public. He once took Harry to a rough estate to visit a war veteran and whilst protocol dictated the Prince should be escorted everywhere Harry would have none of it and asked his body guards to wait with the vehicle
He went to the house by himself, knocked on the door and was let in. He was there for about 1 hour before returning.
From his experience Harry was by far the best to work with.
I asked about Spare and he had just finished it and when I asked if there was anything dubious about it he said not at all.
Interesting perspective from someone with first hand experience.
Although it has changed my opinion of Harry I still think he is totally out of order to wash his dirty linen in public and I have always wondered how much of thi is driven by Meghan.
He has certainly messed up big time by admitting to killing Taliban and then referring to them as pieces on a chess board.
And of course, the latest development where Charles has kicked him and Meghan out of Frogmore House and given tenancy to none other than his brother Andrew. Bad move Charlie boy.
 
Eternaloptimist said:
I was at a function a month ago and got talking to a bloke who used to be in Royal Protection (Prince Charles as he was then). Guarded him for 3 years.
Needless to say I asked if he had met all the family and of course (with the exception of Diana) he had met them all.
Obviously he was restricted to what he could say but in a nutshell
Her Majesty. A lovely lady
Prince Phillip Eccentric
Charles. Nice bloke and a pleasure to serve
Anne. Very pleasant
Andrew. Bully who was the least popular
William. Okay
Harry. Although he only accompanied Harry on a couple of occasions he said he was a gent and very focused on the public. He once took Harry to a rough estate to visit a war veteran and whilst protocol dictated the Prince should be escorted everywhere Harry would have none of it and asked his body guards to wait with the vehicle
He went to the house by himself, knocked on the door and was let in. He was there for about 1 hour before returning.
From his experience Harry was by far the best to work with.
I asked about Spare and he had just finished it and when I asked if there was anything dubious about it he said not at all.
Interesting perspective from someone with first hand experience.
Although it has changed my opinion of Harry I still think he is totally out of order to wash his dirty linen in public and I have always wondered how much of thi is driven by Meghan.
He has certainly messed up big time by admitting to killing Taliban and then referring to them as pieces on a chess board.
And of course, the latest development where Charles has kicked him and Meghan out of Frogmore House and given tenancy to none other than his brother Andrew. Bad move Charlie boy.
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I don't think he's particularly saying anything that wasn't the general publics opinion of the various Royals anyway. With regards to Harry, I'd say he was extremely popular and probably the most down to earth of them all maybe apart from Anne. So what's changed with him? His marriage to Meghan and perhaps her need to be always in the spotlight by whatever means.
 
Archibald Knox said:
Chaz King is making a political mistake in evicting Haz and Megs from their Windsor house now. It looks like, and probably is, petty and spiteful revenge taken the day after Harry published his book.

Chaz has compounded his error by reportedly giving the property to the despised Andrew, who actually doesn’t want it. And we don’t yet know who Charles wants to give the massive palatial Royal Lodge to, if he kicks Andrew out. Probably the sainted Wills and fragrant Kate. Chaz should have waited some months for things to quieten down.

What Chaz will find is that many will blame evil fag-hag Camilla for putting him up to it, as few think he has a backbone of his own. Especially as it is rumoured she is insisting on most of her family getting prized places in the Coronation ceremony. Someone royal has pressed the self-destruct button.
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He's making Andrew move to a smaller house and allegedly he's not happy about it.

Andrew should be in a 10 x 10 prison cell in the USA but, given that's not happening, it's a good move to give him as little as possible.

Harry had it all and chose a different path. It's not unreasonable to remove a Royal freebie when you're choosing not to contribute to Royal life.
 
Huge error of judgment on Charles part… Another nail in his coffin to add to his petulant display over his pen and inkwell incident… It’s hard to hide your true character, despite the PR campaign.

Just show a bit of compassion and empathy towards your child. Treat both of your sons equally and be a ** Man for once in your life ffs.
 
TSSeasider said:
Harry had it all and chose a different path. It's not unreasonable to remove a Royal freebie when you're choosing not to contribute to Royal life.
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To be blunt, Harry wanted to keep his cake and to eat it. He wanted to continue being a Royal, with part-time duties on his own terms, after he and Meghan found they were a long way down the pecking order after Wills and Kate and their family.

When HMQ said “no” to that, and said that H&M had to be full-time working Royals being told what to do by his father and brother with little funding, or not at all with zero funding, they threw their toys out of the pram.

I think at that stage, after HMQ had lost her principal adviser with the death of Phillip, and with her now-known terminal illness, she was losing control of the Royal Family and was being firmly directed by Chaz and Wills in her decisions. Which Harry soon noticed when he was refused direct access to HMQ and so felt “betrayed”.

At that point, with Meghan’s prompting, he probably decided to give up his jostling for Royal position but had not yet realised the full and heavy consequences that baling out would mean. He was naive and has continued to be so in thinking that lashing out with his life story in retaliation would bring any real benefits. Apart from the many tens of millions of dollars, that is.
 
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