Pro-Palestine march set for Armistice day

[Macseasider]

Probably need to self moderate ourselves on this one whatever your opinions.

Just see this as heading into a massive public order "event" that will attract nutters from both sides.

The Met have requested that the Pro-Palestine event is moved to another date. You just cannot see this happening.

Suella Braverman is under huge pressure IMO to sort this out and get this right or there are going to be big big problems that could cause public problems across the UK. British people are the most tolerant in the world. But people messing with Armistice day is a big no no.

Met Police urges pro-Palestinian march organisers to delay demo

The force says there is a risk of violence and disorder around demonstrations in London.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Jaffa_The_Hut]

I just can’t believe the organisers are telling us the March it’s still going ahead.

Unbelievable it really is they can hold this protest any other week of the year but why this weekend?

Who runs this fcuking country? It’s clearly not us that’s for sure it’s alway the same we’re just far too soft time we grew some balls if we have concerns then ban it plain and simple as asking the organisers to cancel it has been an embarrassment it really has.

 

[Shandypants]

If its peaceful I don't see an issue.
It's being held on Saturday not Sunday

 

[Jaffa_The_Hut]

If its peaceful I don't see an issue.

Yes I know it’s Saturday but it’s still the weekend of armistice weekend.
And do you seriously think it’s going to be peaceful? Over a million people expected to turn up and you think everyone is going to March peacefully through the streets?
And why this particular weekend? Why not the weekend after or any weekend after that? Can you not understand why it’s an issue holding it this weekend?

 

[Tangerinemoss]

You seriously think it’s going to be? Over a million people and everyone is going to March peacefully?
And why this weekend? Why not the weekend after or any weekend after that?

Does it not occur to you that if it really is a million person march, that is significant in a democracy? And the answer to your other question is that it was last weekend, the mainstream media underreported it, and it is planned for the following weekend, if there has not been a ceasefire by then.

Very woke thing to ban a march with which you don't agree. Nowhere near the Cenotaph, a march expresssing support for stopping violence on ALL sides in Israel / Gaza, I think our forebears who gave their lives to stop violence could sign on to that.

 

[Jaffa_The_Hut]

Does it not occur to you that if it really is a million person march, that is significant in a democracy? And the answer to your other question is that it was last weekend, the mainstream media underreported it, and it is planned for the following weekend, if there has not been a ceasefire by then.

Very woke thing to ban a march with which you don't agree. Nowhere near the Cenotaph, a march expresssing support for stopping violence on ALL sides in Israel / Gaza, I think our forebears who gave their lives to stop violence could sign on to that.

I’ve no objection at all to the March as I’ve already said on other threads about this it’s the timing of it pure and simple and the way the organisers have dictated to us it’s still going ahead after the Met police have asked them to cancel it.

 

[20togo]

Does it not occur to you that if it really is a million person march, that is significant in a democracy? And the answer to your other question is that it was last weekend, the mainstream media underreported it, and it is planned for the following weekend, if there has not been a ceasefire by then.

Very woke thing to ban a march with which you don't agree. Nowhere near the Cenotaph, a march expresssing support for stopping violence on ALL sides in Israel / Gaza, I think our forebears who gave their lives to stop violence could sign on to that

I’ve no objection at all to the March as I’ve already said on other threads about this it’s the timing of it pure and simple and the way the organisers have dictated to us it’s still going ahead after the Met police have asked them to cancel it.

well said. Jaffa. Pretty much TM is supporting anarchy here. (section removed)

Anyway, let's see what happens.

 

[Shandypants]

This is all part of the culture war that Braverman wants to exploit to the max.
The last march was peaceful with few arrests, there will always be a small minority that will cause trouble buy that shouldn't be the headline.
If people want to march to support palestine on armistice weekend so be it, if jewish people want to do the same for israel go for it.

 

[20togo]

This is all part of the culture war that Braverman wants to exploit to the max.
The last march was peaceful with few arrests, there will always be a small minority that will cause trouble buy that shouldn't be the headline.
If people want to march to support palestine on armistice weekend so be it, if jewish people want to do the same for israel go for it.

peaceful perhaps but with many thousands singing anti semitic chants. Some people are in denial of that and of the possible consequences..

 

[Shandypants]

Yes I know it’s Saturday but it’s still the weekend of armistice weekend.
And do you seriously think it’s going to be peaceful? Over a million people expected to turn up and you think everyone is going to March peacefully through the streets?
And why this particular weekend? Why not the weekend after or any weekend after that? Can you not understand why it’s an issue holding it this weekend?

My great grandad died in WW1 at the age of 27, my grandad served in bomber command in WW2. My grandmother's brother served in the 1st regiment of the SAS in North Africa WW2 and my son currently serves in the forces. I don't have an issue with this march as long as its peaceful, a million people won't be rioting. Why do you object so much, sounds like virtue signalling.

 

[Shandypants]

peaceful perhaps but with many thousands singing anti semitic chants. Some people are in denial of that and of the consequences..

If 1000s are singing anti semitic chants arrest them. That's a different issue to the original point, you're changing the issue.

 

[Wizzerboy]

This is all part of the culture war that Braverman wants to exploit to the max.
The last march was peaceful with few arrests, there will always be a small minority that will cause trouble buy that shouldn't be the headline.
If people want to march to support palestine on armistice weekend so be it, if jewish people want to do the same for israel go for it.

I would imagine that there will be very few Jews that take to the streets of London or anywhere else where there are pro Palastinian marches this weekend.

 

[20togo]

If 1000s are singing anti semitic chants arrest them. That's a different issue to the original point, you're changing the issue.

absolute nonsense and you know that. lf the police attempt to move in to arrest "1000's" then what do yuo think will happen?. It'll just carry on being peaceful? Yeah right.

 

[Jaffa_The_Hut]

This is all part of the culture war that Braverman wants to exploit to the max.
The last march was peaceful with few arrests, there will always be a small minority that will cause trouble buy that shouldn't be the headline.
If people want to march to support palestine on armistice weekend so be it, if jewish people want to do the same for israel go for it.

So it’s all Bravermans fault now is it?

Let’s not forget Starmer is fully supportive of the government here in not calling for a ceasefire or hadn’t you noticed?

 

[Shandypants]

absolute nonsense and you know that. lf the police attempt to move in to arrest "1000's" then what do yuo think will happen?. It'll just carry on being peaceful? Yeah right.

Heard of filming and arrest them after?

 

[20togo]

Heard of filming and arrest them after?

heard of clutching at straws. So you suggest the police could film it all and easily be able to identify the words coming out of everyones mouth and then be able to identify them at a later date and then have the resources to launch an investigation into trying to arrest them then you are living in cloud cuckoo land. The march will no doubt cost millions to police and you now want to spend many more millions. Crazy.

 

[Jaffa_The_Hut]

Heard of filming and arrest them after?

We can’t even find the throwers in the north stand out of 3,000 people so good luck with watching a million.

 

[Shandypants]

So it’s all Bravermans fault now is it?

Let’s not forget Starmer is fully supportive of the government here in not calling for a ceasefire or hadn’t you noticed?

Go to 4 mins in. She's got Bravermans number to a tee.

 

[Jaffa_The_Hut]

Go to 4 mins in. She's got Bravermans number to a tee.

Can’t be arsed watching it same old shit just another day for me.
And still no comment about Starmer supporting the Government in a no ceasefire?

 

[ElBurroSinNombre]

Go to 4 mins in. She's got Bravermans number to a tee.

I have always liked Baroness Warsai, it's a shame that there are not more Conservatives like her anymore.
Warsai always puts the national interest before party interests and is not afraid to speak out when she doesn't agree with something regardless of the party line.
What I find fascinating is that the messages from the likes of Braverman do actually gain traction with some people (look at AVFTT for instance). As Warsai implies, there is no issue that the likes of Braverman would not exploit for her narrow and selfish political gain. It's frankly shocking that she is home secretary, Braverman is an arsonist and certainly no patriot - I agree 100% with Warsai.

 

[Tangerinemoss]

well said. Jaffa. Pretty much TM is supporting anarchy here. Deliberately done to be as high profile as possible and I get that but it goes against the advice of those in authority. Anyway, let's see what happens.

As usual, 20's insulting anyone who doesn't agree with him. Democracy and protest isn't something you can turn on and off. Advice of authority, who, the fascist Home Secretary who not even her own party agree with?

 

[ElBurroSinNombre]

Can’t be arsed watching it same old shit just another day for me.
And still no comment about Starmer supporting the Government in a no ceasefire?

Starmer should call for a ceasefire IMO. That really has nothing to do with the O/P and looks like a distraction technique. You should watch the video, it shows a decent one nation Conservative telling the truth about what the party has now become.

 

[Curryman]

Surely, this is going to stretch any policing to breaking point.

We are asked to be tolerant and in the majority we are, then this happens!

I know for a fact that a number are heading for London from Bradford and many other such towns and cities.

 

[Toastrack]

There's also the matter of policing resources over the weekend.
As well as the main Remembrance ceremonies on Sunday, on Saturday there's the Lord Mayor's Show plus lesser Remembrance events.

They can't be expected to police a million strong march where

.... there will always be a small minority that will cause trouble

On top of that, this situation is ramping up feelings, if it goes ahead I'll wager there'll be some very shady elements turning up to confront the march and looking for trouble.

The organisers of the march need to recognise the potential for disorder on this particular weekend and call it off.
It's a shame for the great majority of peaceful marchers, but this weekend is just not the right time.

 

[TSSeasider]

I'm not so sure.

My grandma is 99 and has always been of the mind, that democracy 'won' in WWII which many of her peers fought and died in. So I think you can't pick and choose what protests/marches/demonstrations you allow/don't allow.

BUT; we do all the time.

There's part of me which would ask all those service personnel who are going to be marching on Sunday to attend the demonstration on Saturday in support of the police - I think we may see a different approach adopted by those demonstrating. It'll not happen but it would be interesting.

I'd let them demonstrate; and show them for what they are.

 

[Ollygon]

Yes I know it’s Saturday but it’s still the weekend of armistice weekend.
And do you seriously think it’s going to be peaceful? Over a million people expected to turn up and you think everyone is going to March peacefully through the streets?
And why this particular weekend? Why not the weekend after or any weekend after that? Can you not understand why it’s an issue holding it this weekend?

Contrived outrage

Following that reasoning, shouldn't all football matches on that day be banned as well?

Stop behaving like a Daily Mail/Express/Sun reader. Sorry forgot THE GB News viewer

 

[Ollygon]

There's also the matter of policing resources over the weekend.
As well as the main Remembrance ceremonies on Sunday, on Saturday there's the Lord Mayor's Show plus lesser Remembrance events.

They can't be expected to police a million strong march where


On top of that, this situation is ramping up feelings, if it goes ahead I'll wager there'll be some very shady elements turning up to confront the march and looking for trouble.

The organisers of the march need to recognise the potential for disorder on this particular weekend and call it off.
It's a shame for the great majority of peaceful marchers, but this weekend is just not the right time.

Arsenal and Crystal Palace at home as well. Those games should definitely be called off!

 

[Sven]

If 1000s are singing anti semitic chants arrest them. That's a different issue to the original point, you're changing the issue.

There won't be thousands of people singing antisemitic chants, just like there wasn't at the last peaceful demonstration.

 

[20togo]

As usual, 20's insulting anyone who doesn't agree with him. Democracy and protest isn't something you can turn on and off. Advice of authority, who, the fascist Home Secretary who not even her own party agree with?

not insulting you at all. It's an insult to suggest that. But it's not just the Home Secretary who is against it is it? The Met. Police don't want it to happen this weekend but potentially a million people defying authority seems like anarchy to me.

 

[1966_and_all_that]

Can’t be arsed watching it same old shit just another day for me.
And still no comment about Starmer supporting the Government in a no ceasefire?

No Jaffa that's not good enough. You make strong comments on this Board about what you believe are the right and wrong ways of behaving. That freedom, indeed right, that you have can only be mandated by your willingness to hear and appraise contrary viewpoints. If you can maintain your position in light of having considered other viewpoints then you have a basis for discussion. Without it you become an ignorant braggart.

No offence btw.

 

[Jaffa_The_Hut]

it’s

Contrived outrage

Following that reasoning, shouldn't all football matches on that day be banned as well?

Stop behaving like a Daily Mail/Express/Sun reader. Sorry forgot THE GB News viewer

I wondered where you were.

Not like you to be supporting a PLO March on armistice weekend is it?

 

[20togo]

There won't be thousands of people singing antisemitic chants, just like there wasn't at the last peaceful demonstration.

You don't know that and yes there were.

 

[Jaffa_The_Hut]

No Jaffa that's not good enough. You make strong comments on this Board about what you believe are the right and wrong ways of behaving. That freedom, indeed right, that you have can only be mandated by your willingness to hear and appraise contrary viewpoints. If you can maintain your position in light of having considered other viewpoints then you have a basis for discussion. Without it you become an ignorant braggart.

I’ve no objections to other peoples views it’s no different than talking about football there’s always going to be debates on who’s wrong and who’s right.
The only difference is i don’t call anyone out for being a racist yet others use the words openly and freely I’m assuming in desperation?
Some people on here can’t have a sensible debate without using abusive/foul language.

 

[Wizaard]

Does it not occur to you that if it really is a million person march, that is significant in a democracy? And the answer to your other question is that it was last weekend, the mainstream media underreported it, and it is planned for the following weekend, if there has not been a ceasefire by then.

Very woke thing to ban a march with which you don't agree. Nowhere near the Cenotaph, a march expresssing support for stopping violence on ALL sides in Israel / Gaza, I think our forebears who gave their lives to stop violence could sign on to that.

The weekend of Armistice Day is probably a good one to highlight the futility of conflict to be fair. Are there really going to be a million there? Maybe if you include those going to oppose the march...

Seems as good an estimate as Donald's house valuations otherwise.

 

[Sven]

You don't know that and yes there were.

We’ll see. Lies.

 

[1966_and_all_that]

I’ve no objections to other peoples views it’s no different than talking about football there’s always going to be debates on who’s wrong and who’s right.
The only difference is i don’t call anyone out for being a racist yet others use the words openly and freely I’m assuming in desperation?
Some people on here can’t have a sensible debate without using abusive/foul language.

Fair do's. I think you'll find that Baroness Warsi stayed clear of foul & abusive language.

 

[20togo]

We’ll see. Lies.

nope, you need to get your facts straight. You know, a bit like you stating that Palestine is a fully recognised state being illegally occupied by Israel. You never did get back to me on that one. Why is that?

 

[Mexboroseasider]

nope, you need to get your facts straight. You know, a bit like you stating that Palestine is a fully recognised state being illegally occupied by Israel. You never did get back to me on that one. Why is that?

Probably because it was a pretty dumb argument. It’s like me saying your house isn’t a fully recognised state so I’m fully entitled to move in and I wouldn’t be occupying it illegally.

 

[20togo]

Probably because it was a pretty dumb argument. It’s like me saying your house isn’t a fully recognised state so I’m fully entitled to move in and I wouldn’t be occupying it illegally.

he made the statement not me. It's not a dumb argument at all. He stated something that was factually inaccurate. I simply pointed that out. Your comparison to my house is the dumb argument.

 

[Wizzerboy]

There won't be thousands of people singing antisemitic chants, just like there wasn't at the last peaceful demonstration.

Do you believe in father Christmas and the tooth fairy too

 

[Ollygon]

it’s

I wondered where you were.

Not like you to be supporting a PLO March on armistice weekend is it?

Someone's got to keep calling you out.

As usual, red herrings by the rwnjs. As long as they keep away from Whitehall, which they've said they will, then it seems a reasonable thing to do to keep bringing to people's attention the 10,000 men, women and children who have been blown to smithereens by the ultra right wing Zionist Government.

By the way, i was in London at the same time last year to watch the Lord Mayor's Show. The horses there were nearly as prolific as you with the amount of shit they produced. In the afternoon I walked to Whitehall and there was absolutely nothing going on.

I watched what I could of the Remembrance Sunday parade. A few of my relatives were killed in the 1st and 2nd World Wars. The purpose is to remember, but also to realise the futility of war.

Maybe the proposed march on Saturday will bring that home to some people, but you - your beyond hope.

 

[Sven]

nope, you need to get your facts straight. You know, a bit like you stating that Palestine is a fully recognised state being illegally occupied by Israel. You never did get back to me on that one. Why is that?

Don't talk to me about facts when you're claiming thousands were chanting antisemitic chants. How did you reach that fact? Pause GB News and count them?

I didn't say that Palestine was a fully recognised state, those were your words. The recognition of the state of Palestine is a complex subject, "fully recognised" is far too simplistic. It couldn't be fully recognised without the recognition of Israel for a start, not mentioning Israel's powerful allies in the West. I'm sure I read somewhere that Germany will recognise Palestine as soon as Israel does, which is barmy.

Has the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem been recognised as lawful? If you don't think there's anything illegal about the occupation and resettlement of the West Bank then I'm not sure what I can do to change that. You're entitled to your opinion, even if it's incorrect.

I couldn't be bothered to respond, seemed like a waste of time and effort for very little benefit.

 

[20togo]

Don't talk to me about facts when you're claiming thousands were chanting antisemitic chants. How did you reach that fact? Pause GB News and count them?

I didn't say that Palestine was a fully recognised state, those were your words. The recognition of the state of Palestine is a complex subject, "fully recognised" is far too simplistic. It couldn't be fully recognised without the recognition of Israel for a start, not mentioning Israel's powerful allies in the West. I'm sure I read somewhere that Germany will recognise Palestine as soon as Israel does, which is barmy.

Has the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem been recognised as lawful? If you don't think there's anything illegal about the occupation and resettlement of the West Bank then I'm not sure what I can do to change that. You're entitled to your opinion, even if it's incorrect.

I couldn't be bothered to respond, seemed like a waste of time and effort for very little benefit.

I've said enough times about the reclaimed land by settlers being totally wrong and the Israeli govt need to take a much firmer stance on that. So, I'm not sure what is incorrect that I've said.

But what you said was factually incorrect. You said Palestine was a state being illegally occupied by Israel. That statement is wrong until such a time something changes no matter what your incorrect opinion of it is.

 

[20togo]

"Deliberately done to be as high profile as possible and I get that but it goes against the advice of those in authority."

more absolute nonsense from the mods. What is wrong or offensive about my statement.

 

[Jaffa_The_Hut]

Someone's got to keep calling you out.

As usual, red herrings by the rwnjs. As long as they keep away from Whitehall, which they've said they will, then it seems a reasonable thing to do to keep bringing to people's attention the 10,000 men, women and children who have been blown to smithereens by the ultra right wing Zionist Government.

By the way, i was in London at the same time last year to watch the Lord Mayor's Show. The horses there were nearly as prolific as you with the amount of shit they produced. In the afternoon I walked to Whitehall and there was absolutely nothing going on.

I watched what I could of the Remembrance Sunday parade. A few of my relatives were killed in the 1st and 2nd World Wars. The purpose is to remember, but also to realise the futility of war.

Maybe the proposed march on Saturday will bring that home to some people, but you - your beyond hope.

And you still fail to mention what brought all this on in the first place the massacre of 1,400 men women children and babies (many who were beheaded) on Saturday 7th October.

Unbelievable how anyone cannot come to mention it but then again it’s not surprising coming from you.

 

[Ollygon]

And you still fail to mention what brought all this on in the first place the massacre of 1,400 men women children and babies (many who were beheaded) on Saturday 7th October.

Unbelievable how anyone cannot come to mention it but then again it’s not surprising coming from you.

Already been said and commented on several times.

Keep up boy. You're slacking again. How many times do you have to be told to focus.?

 

[Ollygon]

removed.

Thank you Donald!

 

[Jaffa_The_Hut]

Already been said and commented on several times.

Keep up boy. You're slacking again. How many times do you have to be told to focus.?

Boy? I wish.

 

[todayistheday]

Thank you Donald!

Maybe he could be the next tory leader.

 

[Sven]

I've said enough times about the reclaimed land by settlers being totally wrong and the Israeli govt need to take a much firmer stance on that. So, I'm not sure what is incorrect that I've said.

But what you said was factually incorrect. You said Palestine was a state being illegally occupied by Israel. That statement is wrong until such a time something changes no matter what your incorrect opinion of it is.

It's not factually incorrect that there is a State of Palestine, it's not factually incorrect that it's occupied, and it's not factually incorrect that elements of the occupation are illegal in accordance to international law. The Israeli government would have you believe otherwise with what they believe to be clever wording when they effectively annexed East Jerusalem (just one example) but the UN, The International Court of Justice, and most nation states weren't fooled by it. It's been a blatant land grab by settlers backed by their military and government and it's a war crime to displace the population of an occupied territory with your own civilians.