Racist abuse

Yeah why not. At least their mugs. You seem a bit defensive about this. Why?
I ain’t defensive in any way whatsoever about it. I’m not defensive about anything

Why are you trying to say I am?.......is this a bit of that passive aggression that I don’t give two fucks about?
 
Wiz posted and you are like "source" and "Russians" as if it was bollocks. It's not bollocks and I linked you the BBC article.
Because I read a researched article in the Times a couple of weeks back that highlighted the comments came from the UK but also in huge volumes form other Countries such as Russia seeking to cause division and discord. Your article is only about Twitter.

plus which I fail to see what the Point is?.........yes there are plenty of racist people in our Country (not just white males btw) , yes that’s a fact. The vast majority of people aren’t I would guess. If someone commits a crime such as inciting racial hatred then of course they should be prosecuted.....simple as that.

So exactly what point are you making?, what do you want doing that isn’t being done?
 
Remember all those posts about how it was overseas bots abusing England players?

Apparently not.

99% home grown.
That was on Instagram i think and was legit discussed by the likes of that times article etc, it mentions in the bbc article 4 times coming from abroad.

Looks like uk was the largest country of origin with twitter, not clear if that means more still from abroad combined or on country basis.

Would like to know how many individuals involved.

All a bunch of idiots whoever did it and should be shamed and tbh educated.
 
“However, Twitter said: "While many have quite rightly highlighted the global nature of the conversation, it is also important to acknowledge the UK was - by far - the largest country of origin for the abusive tweets we removed."

without numbers being stated the above statement could mean several things...as an example the U.K had 100 abusive tweets out if 1,000 abusive tweets altogether but the other 900 came from 20 different Countries.


NOT SURE WHERE WIZ GOT HIS 99% FROM??......that isn’t stated anywhere so assume you made it up Wiz?


but my question remains.....what do you want to happen that isn’t currently happening lads??
 
“Of the permanently suspended accounts, 99% of their owners were identifiable."..........Wiz, this is the only mention of 99% in the article and firstly in no way whatsoever means that 99% of racist abuse was homegrown. Secondly as previously stated this article only refers to Twitter anyway
 
It's not a competition though is it? Vile social media is just that. From wherever it comes. Wiz has pointed out that there is evidence that the vast majority in that situation came from the UK. It's not something I'd want to be proud about but it is what it is.
 
“However, Twitter said: "While many have quite rightly highlighted the global nature of the conversation, it is also important to acknowledge the UK was - by far - the largest country of origin for the abusive tweets we removed."

without numbers being stated the above statement could mean several things...as an example the U.K had 100 abusive tweets out if 1,000 abusive tweets altogether but the other 900 came from 20 different Countries.


NOT SURE WHERE WIZ GOT HIS 99% FROM??......that isn’t stated anywhere so assume you made it up Wiz?


but my question remains.....what do you want to happen that isn’t currently happening lads??

“Of the permanently suspended accounts, 99% of their owners were identifiable."..........Wiz, this is the only mention of 99% in the article and firstly in no way whatsoever means that 99% of racist abuse was homegrown. Secondly as previously stated this article only refers to Twitter anyway
Your absolutely right, wiz has felt the need to spin the statements or has misunderstood it completely.

No need really, let's just discuss the figures openly and condem the idiots involved.

I think when a statement is made that isn't clear and can lead to misinterpretation its usually not by accident.

Note also the bbc has put a slightly different headline to the statement twitter quoted further down by putting the uk was the main origin of comments.

Which makes it sound like for eg... 1000 comments and 700 from the UK when as the twitter statement said the largest country of origin, so could be 100, larger than any country but 900 spread from the world. Its unclear but if so this sort of potential media manipulation is not helpful.

People say well it doesn't matter its all abuse and should be called out and yes it should but we should also be able to find out the extent of the problem we face honestly and address it, without media potentially trying to clickbait or misrepresent the data.
 
Indeed...And neither Wiz or Mac has answered my question as regards what do they want to happen that isn’t already happening......people have been identified, arrested, charged......the law is being upheld. We may as well decry the fact there are murders but if people are identified, charged with murder and convicted what more is there to do?
 
Indeed...And neither Wiz or Mac has answered my question as regards what do they want to happen that isn’t already happening......people have been identified, arrested, charged......the law is being upheld. We may as well decry the fact there are murders but if people are identified, charged with murder and convicted what more is there to do?
I don't want anything more than the culprits being identified and dealt with.

The point remains that it was claimed it was all those nasty foreigners, and that's not the case. That's all.
 
(extremely small minority of) bellends + social media = abuse.

get em prosecuted and banged up, and move on from the media firestorm.
 
I don't want anything more than the culprits being identified and dealt with.

The point remains that it was claimed it was all those nasty foreigners, and that's not the case. That's all.
I haven't seen a claim that it was all those nasty foreigners?
Or is this just another stick for you to beat the UK with?
 
I ain’t defensive in any way whatsoever about it. I’m not defensive about anything

Why are you trying to say I am?.......is this a bit of that passive aggression that I don’t give two fucks about?
You kind of are though, you just pretend you're above it all and don't care, over multiple posts.
 
I haven't seen a claim that it was all those nasty foreigners?
Or is this just another stick for you to beat the UK with?
After 30 seconds of googling.


and


and


and this load of old gammony bollocks


I don't think anyone needs a stick to beat the country with, it appears to be beating itself.
 
At the time it was claimed it was overseas accounts giving abuse. Do keep up.
Yes there were reports that some of the abuse was from overseas accounts, as Lytham as shown above. I saw that at the time. But where does the 'nasty foreigners' bit come in? Or is that your wording just to try and get your point across?
It's like the majority of your posts on covid. Fcuk all to do with the virus, just purely politically motivated.
Let's face it, you have a decent track record for getting things wrong.
 
I agree with the comments on here that anybody who is guilty of racism should be dealt with, but how many of those posts was actual racism and how much was the usual ridicule of players who screw up? Andrew Lawrence had all his shows cancelled just for making a joke about all the black players missing the penalties, it always seemed acceptable for him to aim the same kind of ridicule at other groups though.
 
You kind of are though, you just pretend you're above it all and don't care, over multiple posts.
I said I wasnt defensive. I didn’t say I didn’t care. Only you have ever said I think I’m above it all......that’s just your contention and isn’t factual Lytham.

The only bit I care about a little is people as Rusty says above just seeing every reason they can (usually with no good case) to beat their own Country down all the time. It’s as if there is a delight to take in believing (incorrectly) that our Country is filled to the brim with Racists......the joy in (misinterpreting) an article that says 99% of racial abuse was homegrown, our Country is rotten, there’s nowt good about it etc.....that whole theme of ecstasy that a headline seems to say something damning of our Country.....never see the point in it.

If it was something balanced then fine but this OP by Wiz (who is a nice enough bloke I know) is both incorrect and looking for trouble.....I replied to it, that’s it
 
Btw my Grandma knitted me a Golliwog as a kid in the late 1960s and I am informed Wiz has just got hold of this info so I’m admitting to it now to try to dampen his fire as he ruthlessly exposes me! 😳
 
I said I wasnt defensive. I didn’t say I didn’t care. Only you have ever said I think I’m above it all......that’s just your contention and isn’t factual Lytham.

The only bit I care about a little is people as Rusty says above just seeing every reason they can (usually with no good case) to beat their own Country down all the time. It’s as if there is a delight to take in believing (incorrectly) that our Country is filled to the brim with Racists......the joy in (misinterpreting) an article that says 99% of racial abuse was homegrown, our Country is rotten, there’s nowt good about it etc.....that whole theme of ecstasy that a headline seems to say something damning of our Country.....never see the point in it.

If it was something balanced then fine but this OP by Wiz (who is a nice enough bloke I know) is both incorrect and looking for trouble.....I replied to it, that’s it
No one said the country was rotten

The OP was pointing out that those who suggested that there wasn't a racist element in this country were wrong, it was a shitty excuse for some people's appalling views and behaviour, if you want to read more in to that it's up to you.

There is a disturbing recent trend from some trying to question the 'loyalty' or patriotism of anyone criticising anything wrong in this country instead of addressing the actual issues. 20s does it all the time on here for example and there's usually a little right wing pile on of 'you hate this country' nonsense.

In this instance we had racist language from quite a few individuals on Twitter, some claiming it was all foreigners and then when it was proved it wasn't the same people stating 'you hate this country!' after their error was highlighted.

It's not tremendously helpful really.
 
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I don't want anything more than the culprits being identified and dealt with.

The point remains that it was claimed it was all those nasty foreigners, and that's not the case. That's all.
Has anyone claimed it was just overseas accounts? You seem to imply that they have.
No one said the country was rotten

The OP was pointing out that those who suggested that there wasn't a racist element in his country were wrong, if you want to read more in to that it's up to you.
And more bullshit from FY8. Has anyone suggested "there wasn't a racist element in this country"?
 
Has anyone claimed it was just overseas accounts? You seem to imply that they have.

And more bullshit from FY8. Has anyone suggested "there wasn't a racist element in this country"?
In the immediate aftermath of the Rashford abuse, it was stated that the abuse was from abroad. That's now been demonstrated to be incorrect.
 
In the immediate aftermath of the Rashford abuse, it was stated that the abuse was from abroad. That's now been demonstrated to be incorrect.
The abuse was from abroad, that's a fact. You want to ignore that part. It's also a fact that it was from this country as well.
It's called the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. You'll have heard of that expression but you seem to want to have forgotten the second part of that because it's convenient for you to do so.
 
Because I read a researched article in the Times a couple of weeks back that highlighted the comments came from the UK but also in huge volumes form other Countries such as Russia seeking to cause division and discord. Your article is only about Twitter.

plus which I fail to see what the Point is?.........yes there are plenty of racist people in our Country (not just white males btw) , yes that’s a fact. The vast majority of people aren’t I would guess. If someone commits a crime such as inciting racial hatred then of course they should be prosecuted.....simple as that.

So exactly what point are you making?, what do you want doing that isn’t being done?
sorry pal i put a laughing emoji on your first comment as thought you meant “blame the Russians” then read the above 👍
 
The abuse was from abroad, that's a fact. You want to ignore that part. It's also a fact that it was from this country as well.
It's called the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. You'll have heard of that expression but you seem to want to have forgotten the second part of that because it's convenient for you to do so.
I think you've missed out the 'mainly' bit there, it might be because you're a bit thick, or angry, or both. Who actually knows what goes through your head.
 
Has anyone claimed it was just overseas accounts? You seem to imply that they have.

And more bullshit from FY8. Has anyone suggested "there wasn't a racist element in this country"?
Yes, in the link I provided, it's below again, you probably ignored it.


Here's a quote

'If they had spoken to industry experts and security professionals, as I did, they might have had a better understanding as to what was going on. Those experts told me that racist abuse of English footballers does exist, but that much of it comes from foreign accounts and bots. It doesn’t come from frustrated and virulently intolerant English people firing off salvos of abuse while pissed up and pissed off.'

I don't know what 'industry experts' he spoke to but they were wrong and probably imaginary, as he's not cited anyone, bad form for a supposed Spectator journalist.

It's apologist nonsense that doesn't address any real issue, hence the OP, do you understand now or should I get the crayons out?
 
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Yes, in the link I provided, it's below again, you probably ignored it.


Here's a quote

'If they had spoken to industry experts and security professionals, as I did, they might have had a better understanding as to what was going on. Those experts told me that racist abuse of English footballers does exist, but that much of it comes from foreign accounts and bots. It doesn’t come from frustrated and virulently intolerant English people firing off salvos of abuse while pissed up and pissed off.'

I don't know what 'industry experts' he spoke to but they were wrong and probably imaginary, as he's not cited anyone, bad form for a supposed Spectator journalist.

It's apologist nonsense that doesn't address any real issue, hence the OP, do you understand now or should I get the crayons out?
Nope, nothing in that denies there is a racist element in this country.
 
we all know what goes through your head.
You see, that's not an answer is it, just another silly comment that doesn't address the fact you've been wrong.

What do you actually mean by that anyway? What do you think goes through my head?
 
You see, that's not an answer is it, just another silly comment that doesn't address the fact you've been wrong.

What do you actually mean by that anyway? What do you think goes through my head?
Jumped the gun again.i said no-one denies that there is a racist element in this country. That article simply attacks the left but nowhere does it categorically state that there isn't a racist element in this country which is what my point said. So you were wrong.
 
Jumped the gun again.i said no-one denies that there is a racist element in this country. That article simply attacks the left but nowhere does it categorically state that there isn't a racist element in this country which is what my point said. So you were wrong.
It doesn't categorically state that there's not a racist element in this country in an article called 'The Myth of Racist England'?

'If there is a blinkered and racist England, it does not exist out there, in our towns and cities. It exists in the heads of lefty activists and grandstanding columnists who really don’t know England at all.'

No, definitely not denying a racist element in this country.
 
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