Racist Comment

Lala said:
I’m saying I believe the Wycombe player when he reported racist abuse. You’re saying you potentially don’t.
You are no more right to hold your viewpoint as I am mine.
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I believe he's reported racist abuse but that doesn't mean any racist comments were said yet people are all jumping around calling out racists

Its ** weird and people are innocent until proven guilty so of course my viewpoint is more right than yours
 
Bloodtangerine said:
I don’t have a “massive” issue with anything Lala.

You reveal something though when you say “a lot of US have a big issue with the racist comment”……….as if I wouldn’t were it true, as if 99.9% of people wouldn’t have an issue with it if it were true

Why do you think there are a substantial number people that ARE racist and it needs US to call them to account?

As I said earlier I never need to say I’m anti racism because it would be like saying I’m anti Murder or anti Rape or anti child abuse…it’s so obvious for the vast vast majority of people that you’d only need to point out if you were in favour of any of the above

And btw I ain’t looking to argue with you personally and to get you revved up. I ain’t on a wind up, I’m being dead straight
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I don’t think there are a substantial number of people who are racist 🤔 I don’t think you are racist, I know I’m not racist, and I’d be really disappointed if anyone on this board was racist to be honest.
I don’t see a problem with people posting support for a footballer who reported hearing racist abuse though. I haven’t advocated the wrong man being balled out, but I would definitely support any investigation and witnesses coming forward, which is what the club statement asked for .
I still take a viewpoint that the player heard what he heard, that’s the starting point of any investigation for me. Up to you what you think obviously
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I believe he's reported racist abuse but that doesn't mean any racist comments were said yet people are all jumping around calling out racists

Its ** weird
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People are supporting someone who heard racist comments. Most of us are saying there is no place for it and if the person is identified he needs to be punished. I don’t get why you are getting your knickers in a twist to be honest. I really don’t.
 
Lala said:
People are supporting someone who heard racist comments. Most of us are saying there is no place for it and if the person is identified he needs to be punished. I don’t get why you are getting your knickers in a twist to be honest. I really don’t.
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Because the majority of people on this thread and also on other social media are spouting all sorts of shite without anything being proven at this stage

What part of that don't you understand?
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I believe he's reported racist abuse but that doesn't mean any racist comments were said yet people are all jumping around calling out racists

Its ** weird and people are innocent until proven guilty so of course my viewpoint is more right than yours
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No, your viewpoint isn’t more right than mine at all. I’ve not accused a specific named individual of anything, so can’t be called out for calling someone guilty.
I’ve expressed opinions, just like you.
Anyway, Corrie on catch-up now for me. I’ll let someone else have a turn 👍
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Because the majority of people on this thread and also on other social media are spouting all sorts of shite without anything being proven at this stage

What part of that don't you understand?
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I’m not on any other media. I understand everything you say, but sometimes I think a fair bit of it is bullshit.
 
Dollar Thief said:
If a fan did shout something and the player heard it from probably 20-50 foot away then many fans in the crowd near the fan will also have heard it, then again so would other players closer to the fan the the Wycombe defender, so there should be many witnesses to what was allegedly shouted.
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Yep.
 
Lala said:
I’m not on any other media. I understand everything you say, but sometimes I think a fair bit of it is bullshit.
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I will await an apology when the accusations (and that's all they are) are proven to be bollux then

Going to be some right humble pie eaten, its like the club are on a self destruct mission with that statement
 
Bloodtangerine said:
Message to me from a mate who was right there, unlike you lot …..

“I went down in the second half when they lifted the poor bloke ,he was surrounded by three police and five stewards, he was upset, obviously the Police told me to do one , I said what has he done ?? They said we don’t know 😧 so I said why are you treating him like a terrorist, anyway Stacey the laison officer was spoken to after the game , the bloke was let on his way no case to answer it was all bull shit mate”



SO there we go…NO case to answer. Everyone on here loving getting in a right Froth and showing how anti racist they are ( aren’t 99.9% of folk) and it turns out Nothing has happened APART from some poor innocent bloke being traumatised and potentially getting his life ruined.

Some of you wanna catch yourselves on and Slow down a bit
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Trial by Tony Parr announcement and club statement... that's no way to go. Is it really necessary to be announcing that an alleged discriminatory incident has taken place, in the absence of any actual facts.

Being at the other end I dont know when it was meant to have happened, but If something was loud enough for a player to hear surely other fans and stewards etc would have heard it too.
 
Dollar Thief said:
If a fan did shout something and the player heard it from probably 20-50 foot away then many fans in the crowd near the fan will also have heard it, then again so would other players closer to the fan the the Wycombe defender, so there should be many witnesses to what was allegedly shouted.
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Spot on
 
JJpool said:
Trial by Tony Parr announcement and club statement... that's no way to go. Is it really necessary to be announcing that an alleged discriminatory incident has taken place, in the absence of any actual facts.

Being at the other end I dont know when it was meant to have happened, but If something was loud enough for a player to hear surely other fans and stewards etc would have heard it too.
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If the player could clearly hear it on the pitch there will of course be many witnesses, the culprit identified, charged and convicted…..quite rightly 👍…….


Though of course thinking about it if all these “theoretical” witnesses led to a totally innocent random bloke being surrounded by police and stewards and then let go on his way because he’d done nothing it does make you wonder eh
 
Adams Kebab said:
Glad you remembered the mask wearing shouts 😷

But back on to today.

We don’t know what’s happened do we? I was at the other end of the ground.

What stand were you in?

A Coventry player said he’d been racially abused by someone in the West back in 2021 and nothing came of it. Who knows what’s gone on.
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Was there ever any clarification of that event, I never saw anything, just left hanging.

If something abhorrent is shouted, loud enough to be heard by their players, there would surely be fans, stewards or our players near by to back up the allegation.
 
I think Bloodtangerine makes fair points but at the same time I'm fairly sure that if a fellow fan of any club made a stupid, flippant, racist remark and the police came hunting for him, a lot of surrounding fans wouldn't be wilfully be handing him over to the stewards/police.

It would be a great relief if the accusations are false, but if not, the knuckle dragger needs to be banned for life.
 
Bloodtangerine said:
Message to me from a mate who was right there, unlike you lot …..

“I went down in the second half when they lifted the poor bloke ,he was surrounded by three police and five stewards, he was upset, obviously the Police told me to do one , I said what has he done ?? They said we don’t know 😧 so I said why are you treating him like a terrorist, anyway Stacey the laison officer was spoken to after the game , the bloke was let on his way no case to answer it was all bull shit mate”



SO there we go…NO case to answer. Everyone on here loving getting in a right Froth and showing how anti racist they are ( aren’t 99.9% of folk) and it turns out Nothing has happened APART from some poor innocent bloke being traumatised and potentially getting his life ruined.

Some of you wanna catch yourselves on and Slow down a bit
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I really hope this is true followed by an apology from the club. A pr disaster from the club if that's the case. As said above this is potentially life changing for the individual.
 
@Bloodtangerine

I completely accept that user most circumstances, we have innocence until proven guilty as a fundamental right.

It's not quite the same with a hate crime.

"A hate crime is defined as 'Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice based on a person's race or perceived race; religion or perceived religion; sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation; disability or perceived disability and any crime motivated by hostility or prejudice against a person who is transgender or perceived to be transgender.'

A hate incident is any incident which the victim, or anyone else, thinks is based on someone’s prejudice towards them because of their race, religion, sexual orientation, disability or because they are transgender.

Evidence of the hate element is not a requirement. You do not need to personally perceive the incident to be hate related. It would be enough if another person, a witness or even a police officer thought that the incident was hate related."

Now I don't know whether it was said; but the fact that the Wycombe player believes it was said it's all that is required.

So let's hope the person who did say it, is caught and put before the magistrates and appropriately punished.

As for lifetime bans; how about we do what the player says - a bit of education for them to realise just how hurtful and unnecessary this behaviour is.
 
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TSSeasider said:
@Bloodtangerine

I completely accept that user most circumstances, we have innocence until proven guilty as a fundamental right.

It's not quite the same with a hate crime.

"A hate crime is defined as 'Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice based on a person's race or perceived race; religion or perceived religion; sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation; disability or perceived disability and any crime motivated by hostility or prejudice against a person who is transgender or perceived to be transgender.'

A hate incident is any incident which the victim, or anyone else, thinks is based on someone’s prejudice towards them because of their race, religion, sexual orientation, disability or because they are transgender.

Evidence of the hate element is not a requirement. You do not need to personally perceive the incident to be hate related. It would be enough if another person, a witness or even a police officer thought that the incident was hate related."

Now I don't know whether it was said; but the fact that the Wycombe player believes it was said it's all that is required.

So let's hope the person who did say it, is caught and put before the magistrates and appropriately punished.

As for lifetime bans; how about we do what the player says - a bit of education for them to realise just how hurtful and unnecessary this behaviour is.
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Your conclusion about if the Wycombe player believes it was said then that is enough for conviction is totally incorrect
 
HatfulofHollow said:
I doubt the club, the officials and the player would have taken it this far unless there were a number of people who came forward and heard the same comment.
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The player thought he heard something

The officials have to follow a laid down protocol

The Club have merely quickly put out a statement that imho is poorly worded…and has not changed from when first posted on official site yesterday

Your assumption that this therefore means lots of people must have come forward is an unknown to you, it’s just a guess
 
Given some of the helmets I've seen comment on here the last few years., might be the least surprising development in recent times.
 
TSSeasider said:
@Bloodtangerine

I completely accept that user most circumstances, we have innocence until proven guilty as a fundamental right.

It's not quite the same with a hate crime.

"A hate crime is defined as 'Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice based on a person's race or perceived race; religion or perceived religion; sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation; disability or perceived disability and any crime motivated by hostility or prejudice against a person who is transgender or perceived to be transgender.'

A hate incident is any incident which the victim, or anyone else, thinks is based on someone’s prejudice towards them because of their race, religion, sexual orientation, disability or because they are transgender.

Evidence of the hate element is not a requirement. You do not need to personally perceive the incident to be hate related. It would be enough if another person, a witness or even a police officer thought that the incident was hate related."

Now I don't know whether it was said; but the fact that the Wycombe player believes it was said it's all that is required.

So let's hope the person who did say it, is caught and put before the magistrates and appropriately punished.

As for lifetime bans; how about we do what the player says - a bit of education for them to realise just how hurtful and unnecessary this behaviour is.
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"So let's hope the person who did say it, is caught and put before the magistrates and appropriately punished"

You are forgetting one really important thing in all this

What if it didn't happen and the player in question is mistaken

The assumptions on this thread are breath taking
 
TSSeasider said:
Evidence of the hate element is not a requirement. You do not need to personally perceive the incident to be hate related. It would be enough if another person, a witness or even a police officer thought that the incident was hate related."
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What a slippery slope we are on here 🤢
 
Bloodtangerine said:
let’s understand the Law a little…..

The chap they apprehended was clearly entirely innocent, the police let him go with no case to answer

That’s what is known.

as regards was there any racist comment in the stadium today who knows. We know a player thought he heard it (he will think that and he “may” be right or mistaken) and it appears that it has come to nothing via the law enforcement body, the police so that’s that

I’m probably being a but daft here because someone will accuse me of being racist in not condemning a racist insult that possibly didn’t even happen
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It could be a remark was made but they lifted the wrong bloke. In that scenario it explains why the bloke had no case to answer while a racist remark was said.
 
Wizaard said:
They will be following a set template and won't have much say in the wording.

At the time, Tony Parr used the phrase 'discriminatory language'.
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Rubbish

Even the BBC have worded it better

Its all about being seen to do the right thing when in effect what's happened is a media frenzy and a right sh!t storm with life long fans being accused of being racists

If i was one of the fans who was interrogated yesterday in public i would be seeking legal advice as accusations like this could be extremely harmful
 
JJpool said:
Trial by Tony Parr announcement and club statement... that's no way to go. Is it really necessary to be announcing that an alleged discriminatory incident has taken place, in the absence of any actual facts.

Being at the other end I dont know when it was meant to have happened, but If something was loud enough for a player to hear surely other fans and stewards etc would have heard it too.
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I wasn't going to get involved with this, but I'm not going to let a " trial by Tony Parr " comment pass.
For those that don't know , if a player reports racist abuse there are protocols in place, the first being an announcement by the PA. In this case Tony Parr.
Second stage if it continues, the players are taken off for up to ten minutes before the game continues.
Third stage, match abandoned.

Dragging a " Tony Parr announcement " into it is poor form
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
"So let's hope the person who did say it, is caught and put before the magistrates and appropriately punished"

You are forgetting one really important thing in all this

What if it didn't happen and the player in question is mistaken

The assumptions on this thread are breath takin
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Wizaard said:
I'm not. But the club have 'confirmed a racist comment was made'. I believe them.
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How do they know?
 
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