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EU Have two weeks left to ratify the agreed “deal” - if no agreement then we are back to a No-Deal Brexit, which is bound to make some happy I guess.

Brexit, the grift that keeps on grifting eh!
 
What's the point of the O/P?
Please explain a deal is done and the beast is unable to sort it or as I suspect they are just being a bunch of bellends.
 
Well I do hope none of those non-sovereign nations don’t exercise their sovereignty and vote against the U.K. reclaiming it’s sovereignty.

Cos that’d really set a 🐈‍ in amongst some 🕊
 
poolseasider said:
What's the point of the O/P?
Please explain a deal is done and the beast is unable to sort it or as I suspect they are just being a bunch of bellends.
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The point was that many - me included - thought that we we have is what we have, but that is still not the case nor is it yet all settled.
 
I think I remember the EU crowing about it being a great deal for them.

I definitely remember lots of remain/rejoiners saying it was a crap deal for the UK.

I guess the next two weeks will tell.

If, and it's a big if, this reignites the Brexit debate, I think Paul Williams GP, Labour Party candidate for Hartlepool will be gutted and might just hand the Tories the seat.
 
Bottle said:
EU Have two weeks left to ratify the agreed “deal” - if no agreement then we are back to a No-Deal Brexit, which is bound to make some happy I guess.

Brexit, the grift that keeps on grifting eh!
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It doesn't really matter what they ratify or don't, over £1 Trillion has been transferred to the EU from the City of London and it won't be coming back.

Trillion Gone
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
It doesn't really matter what they ratify or don't, over £1 Trillion has been transferred to the EU from the City of London and it won't be coming back.

Trillion Gone
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London remains alone as a the leading European financial centre. It stays in second spot in a respected international study of financial centres, despite the double whammy of Brexit and the Covid-19 pandemic. On the latest Global Financial Centres Index, London sits behind only New York and remains Europe’s only major global financial centre, significantly ahead of Frankfurt and Zurich. No other European financial centre makes the index, but Asian competitors Shanghai, Hong Kong and Singapore are closing on the capital.

1. New York
2 London
3 Shanghai
4 Hong Kong
5 Singapore
6. Beijing
7 Tokyo
8 Shenzhen
 
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Lytham_fy8 said:
It doesn't matter either way, the rich will get richer and everyone else will be screwed one way or the other while we bicker with each other about it.

We deserve what we get.
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Correct.

Occasional titbits like a tax concession, another Bank Holiday or even a random MBE reel them in. Throw in the Jonny Foreigner grenade and you're onto a winner.

How many times has that scenario been played out over the generations ?
 
I have read, this morning that Michel Barnier is warning about the possibility of a Frexit with Marie la Penn extending her lead in the polls before the next French GE. Mind you, she doesn't like the UK. (Telegraph, Express, Sun, BBC).
 
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Curryman said:
I have read, this morning that Michel Barnier is warning about the possibility of a Frexit with Marie la Penn extending her lead in the polls before the next French GE. Mind you, she doesn't like the UK.
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Macron has managed to turn himself from the golden boy of French politics into a Napoleon-style dictator with sights on becoming Emperor of Europe. Unfortunately, the populist opposition is extremist in its own right and neither will take the time to befriend the UK.

Despite the polls showing increasing support for Marine Le Pen, it seems unlikely that her National Rally party (National Front until 2018) will oust Macron's La République En Marche pro-European party. However unpopular Macron becomes, it's hard to see how a revolutionary right wing Frexit France is likely to do anything positive for the UK. Those who criticise our government and opposition parties need only look across the Channel to see how much worse UK politics could be.
 
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Macron has managed to turn himself from the golden boy of French politics into a Napoleonic-style dictator with sights on becoming Emperor of Europe. Unfortunately, the populist opposition is extremist in its own right and neither will take the time to befriend the UK.

Despite the polls showing increasing support for Marine Le Pen, it seems unlikely that her National Rally party (National Front until 2018) will oust Macron's La République En Marche pro-European party. However unpopular Macron becomes, it's hard to see how a revolutionary right wing Frexit France is likely to do anything positive for the UK. Those who criticise our government and opposition parties need only look across the Channel to see how much worse UK politics could be.
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Le Pen’s position has changed on Frexit. She’s certainly not a fan of the EU but her position now is that it should be reformed into a looser alliance of nations. She seems to have dropped (for the moment at least) the idea of France leaving the EU or the Eurozone. Obviously though that position could change again.

But I agree. Whether France is in the EU or not I can’t see her ever being an enthusiastic ally of the U.K.
 
Bloodtangerine said:
I agree and it was even worse in communist Countries
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And vastly better in socially democratic countries like the Scandinavian nations, the Netherlands and Germany. They did not eliminate inequality but ensured that there was a limit to how much the weakest in society could be exploited. We used to do that in Britain too until the evil of Thatcher took hold.
 
catinstalbans said:
And vastly better in socially democratic countries like the Scandinavian nations, the Netherlands and Germany. They did not eliminate inequality but ensured that there was a limit to how much the weakest in society could be exploited. We used to do that in Britain too until the evil of Thatcher took hold.
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You really are full of hatred aren’t you 🤦🏻‍♂️
 
Scaramanga said:
You really are full of hatred aren’t you 🤦🏻‍♂️
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Have you agreed with another poster to be the new attack dog whenever I post. I think I was being positive about the socially democratic policies of many nations until the failed economic idealogy of Thatcher took over in the western world.
 
catinstalbans said:
Have you agreed with another poster to be the new attack dog whenever I post. I think I was being positive about the socially democratic policies of many nations until the failed economic idealogy of Thatcher took over in the western world.
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So you were impressed with the "socially democratic" policies of the Callaghan/Wilson government that triggered a Thatcher landslide after the unions had almost closed this country down were you....really?
 
1950`spoolfan said:
So you were impressed with the "socially democratic" policies of the Callaghan/Wilson government that triggered a Thatcher landslide after the unions had almost closed this country down were you....really?
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Without those Unions you wouldn’t be enjoying the benefit of an NHS or conditions of employment, holiday entitlements, sick pay etc. - which, as you can see, are steadily being eroded (e.g. British Gas) the introduction of zero hours contracts and the gig economy.

The boot is currently on the foot of the employer, with large scale unemployment rearing its ugly head we are bound to see this being used as a rod against workers backs and a reduction in workers rights now they aren’t EU protected, but hey, those evil unions eh!
 
Scargill ,Scanlon, Jones, and Red Robbo at British Leyland were poison not only for this country in general but for the union movement in particular.Their greed stupidity and abuse of the power that Wilson`s govt had foolishly given them set the union movement back many years in this country and their actions were responsible for a subsequently strong movement away from union controls as the country was sick and tired of the damage they had done to "the strike capital of Europe."They certainly were not responsible for any of the things that you claim for them.
 
1950`spoolfan said:
Scargill ,Scanlon, Jones, and Red Robbo at British Leyland were poison not only for this country in general but for the union movement in particular.Their greed stupidity and abuse of the power that Wilson`s govt had foolishly given them set the union movement back many years in this country and their actions were responsible for a subsequently strong movement away from union controls as the country was sick and tired of the damage they had done to "the strike capital of Europe."They certainly were not responsible for any of the things that you claim for them.
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Its 50 years ago. Throwing those names into the ring is utterly meaningless.
 
Wizaard said:
Its 50 years ago. Throwing those names into the ring is utterly meaningless.
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So referring to Thatcher is perfectly ok but referring to the collapse of the previous government by its own incompetence that brought Thatcher to power is not?

That`s laughable but I can well understand why highlighting what happened triggers shame and embarrassment to some "social democrats" as it certainly should.
 
1950`spoolfan said:
So referring to Thatcher is perfectly ok but referring to the collapse of the previous government by its own incompetence that brought Thatcher to power is not?

That`s laughable but I can well understand why highlighting what happened triggers shame and embarrassment to some "social democrats" as it certainly should.
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Thatcher lost power in 1990 but continues to influence Tory policy to this day, and arguably, Labour under Blair was Thatcherism-lite.

The Union Barons are completely irrelevant, so it is a fair statement.

You must be so proud of how your Tories are running the country and have done for the last decade.

Cameron, May and Johnson. What a saintly trinity. Nothing but good for us all.
 
Wizaard said:
Thatcher lost power in 1990 but continues to influence Tory policy to this day, and arguably, Labour under Blair was Thatcherism-lite.

The Union Barons are completely irrelevant, so it is a fair statement.

You must be so proud of how your Tories are running the country and have done for the last decade.

Cameron, May and Johnson. What a saintly trinity. Nothing but good for us all.
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Cat`s post referred to Thatcher and the wonders of social democracy,I referred to the reasons that brought her to power which were very relevant . Nothing else, simple as that.

You are getting you knickers in a twist again.

Let`s just concentrate on the football for a couple of hours shall we.
 
Just a comment that I hope will not be taken in the wrong way, but no doubt will be by some and so be it.
The more that posters rant on about how bad our government is, but don't give an alternative to it, i.e. who would do a better job, but are not providing much in the way of opposition, the less likely I am to vote for a bunch of chancers who will struggle to put an acceptable and proficient team together in order to run this country.
 
Curryman said:
Just a comment that I hope will not be taken in the wrong way, but no doubt will be by some and so be it.
The more that posters rant on about how bad our government is, but don't give an alternative to it, i.e. who would do a better job, but are not providing much in the way of opposition, the less likely I am to vote for a bunch of chancers who will struggle to put an acceptable and proficient team together in order to run this country.
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The chancers and incompetents are already in government and if you voted conservative in 2019 you have already voted for incompetence and corruption.
 
catinstalbans said:
Have you agreed with another poster to be the new attack dog whenever I post. I think I was being positive about the socially democratic policies of many nations until the failed economic idealogy of Thatcher took over in the western world.
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Economically Britain got what it deserved with Thatcher.
The 70s were an absolute clusterfuck with the Unions destroying the economy and the Government powerless to stop them. Not quite a 1920s Germany, but we were ruined as a nation and had no visible way out.

Thatcher was ruthless, perhaps even heartless and her love of Supply side economics led us inevitably to the culture we all bemoan today but she was the type of leader that always appears when the country shifts into economic chaos.

I was at Uni in the 90s so didn’t really live the 70s but remember studying the lessons we took from strike after strike after strike. The issues of demarcation in factories, lack of worker flexibility, total uncompetitive nature of our key industries in a global economy.

Maybe the older posters will tell me they were socially happier in the 70s with pretty much everyone being poor in this country and despite strikes and power outages?

Id agree that Thatcherism has caused more damage than good and particularly when you compare to the Scandinavian model, but I’m not sure that what was there before it was better either?
 
Wizaard said:
Its 50 years ago. Throwing those names into the ring is utterly meaningless.
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You blatant hypocrite. It's not difficult to find your thumbs up post where you agree with Cat where he quotes Attlee, Bevan, Wilson, Benn, Mowlam and Kinnock,

That wasn't meaningless then?
 
The high-brains of the Brexit supporters are out in force: self-flagellating at the gates of small-minded Xenophobia. Meanwhile, the Orwellian vision of super-states marches ever closer, with good old Blighty standing granite-chinned on the beaches, singing 'we'll meet again' and vowing to fight all-comers. Pathetic, unnecessary and futile.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
The high-brains of the Brexit supporters are out in force: self-flagellating at the gates of small-minded Xenophobia. Meanwhile, the Orwellian vision of super-states marches ever closer, with good old Blighty standing granite-chinned on the beaches, singing 'we'll meet again' and vowing to fight all-comers. Pathetic,
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Which reminds me - I see Farage is still fighting the good fight. From the comfort of the Caribbean it appears. Oh well. I suppose we all knew some people were exempt from the Covid restrictions https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....bbean-island-Saint-Maarten-business-trip.html
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Which reminds me - I see Farage is still fighting the good fight. From the comfort of the Caribbean it appears. Oh well. I suppose we all knew some people were exempt from the Covid restrictions https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....bbean-island-Saint-Maarten-business-trip.html
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Clearly there is money to be made on the racist gravy train. All while exploiting the Anglo-Saxon working classes without the intelligence to know better. As he says, it is a business trip.
 
catinstalbans said:
Clearly there is money to be made on the racist gravy train. All while exploiting the Anglo-Saxon working classes without the intelligence to know better. As he says, it is a business trip.
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He’s on business Cat and the kids are his chief negotiators 😂
 
I see reports that the EU vaccination programme is expected to overtake the UK one within the next month. Some on here latched onto this as a "success" of brexit will look a tad foolish. Its also interesting how the telegraph (yes the telegraph) are reporting today how the UK medical regulators missed key data in the AZ vaccine in their rush to get it licensed. I also note the financial Times reporting 1 trillion worth of the financial sector leaving London to go to the EU, JD also reporting they are to relocate much of their business to Europe due to border issues.
It's not panning out great unless you're a tory with shares in PPE equipment. How can people on here defend this shambles?
 
Shandypants said:
I see reports that the EU vaccination programme is expected to overtake the UK one within the next month. Some on here latched onto this as a "success" of brexit will look a tad foolish. Its also interesting how the telegraph (yes the telegraph) are reporting today how the UK medical regulators missed key data in the AZ vaccine in their rush to get it licensed. I also note the financial Times reporting 1 trillion worth of the financial sector leaving London to go to the EU, JD also reporting they are to relocate much of their business to Europe due to border issues.
It's not panning out great unless you're a tory with shares in PPE equipment. How can people on here defend this shambles?
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Why is it that you always seem delighted to post any news that might adversely affect the UK? Are you BHOK in disguise?
 
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