Rwanda here we come

Halifax71 said:
Just walk them off the boats straight onto the plane. Same with those awaiting a decision - if they haven't already done runner.

Simple, quick, solves the problem. We can discuss the supposed legalities at the same time as the right to remain hearing. 👍
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Plane to where exactly?

38,000 this year alone would need over 200 planes without touching the backlog. We haven't sent that many out since we were bombing Germany.
 
Wizaard said:
Plane to where exactly?

38,000 this year alone would need over 200 planes without touching the backlog. We haven't sent that many out since we were bombing Germany.
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Rwanda have agreed to take them. They can be safely assessed there - that would save us £2+bn a year (and rising) on hotel costs. Plus I'd bet it would seriously affect numbers crossing if it was known that 100% you'd be shipped out immediately on arrival. Seems a good option. 👍
 
In the coming days we will hear a good deal about accommodation for those coming into the country via the channel crossing, over 39,000 have so far this year reached our shores with 1,000 last Saturday alone.
The local paper a couple of days ago indicated that the travelodge Canterbury and Ashford have both been allocated for those coming into the country, plus there are an unknown number that are still arriving by HGV's.
With 100,000 people in this country living in b and b's and awaiting up to four and five years for social housing plus a annual influx of around 50,000 immigrants there needs to be a cross party debate as to where we go from here.
 
Whitstabletangerine said:
In the coming days we will hear a good deal about accommodation for those coming into the country via the channel crossing, over 39,000 have so far this year reached our shores with 1,000 last Saturday alone.
The local paper a couple of days ago indicated that the travelodge Canterbury and Ashford have both been allocated for those coming into the country, plus there are an unknown number that are still arriving by HGV's.
With 100,000 people in this country living in b and b's and awaiting up to four and five years for social housing plus a annual influx of around 50,000 immigrants there needs to be a cross party debate as to where we go from here.
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You're punching the wrong
Malced said:
All these rich people that you seem to envy and hate can’t at all empathise or relate to someone struggling to pay their bills? Really?

So at what level of wealth do they lose this ability to empathise? Is it only when you get into the hundreds of millions or has Starmer lost his empathy too with his paltry net worth of £7.7 million.

Having a net worth of £7.7m is something mere mortal working class and middle class will never achieve. So using your logic, how can someone with that level of wealth have any understanding of what it’s likes to have less than nothing?
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You're punching the wrong target. Empathy is not essential for a politician. What is required is a will to make things better. After that it comes down to which set of principles are most likely to achieve that. For me, the far right Tory model is built upon the xenophobic model of what Britain represents, how it presents itself to the world and why. I do not accept those values and, I would hope, neither do most decent people in this country.
 
Whitstabletangerine said:
In the coming days we will hear a good deal about accommodation for those coming into the country via the channel crossing, over 39,000 have so far this year reached our shores with 1,000 last Saturday alone.
The local paper a couple of days ago indicated that the travelodge Canterbury and Ashford have both been allocated for those coming into the country, plus there are an unknown number that are still arriving by HGV's.
With 100,000 people in this country living in b and b's and awaiting up to four and five years for social housing plus a annual influx of around 50,000 immigrants there needs to be a cross party debate as to where we go from here.
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Hear hear! Yes, it will take a cross party consensus, not this juvenile xenophobia that the ERG spread across the media.
Too many posters on here and elsewhere across the country shout loudly and blame the immigrants. Then they say that the Tories are the only ones prepared to do anything to solve it. BUT, the Tories have been in office for 12 years and the issue has grown massive since Cameron failed to deal with it.

It needs a grown up, humanitarian response. Not this far-right shrieking from the likes of Braverman.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Hear hear! Yes, it will take a cross party consensus, not this juvenile xenophobia that the ERG spread across the media.
Too many posters on here and elsewhere across the country shout loudly and blame the immigrants. Then they say that the Tories are the only ones prepared to do anything to solve it. BUT, the Tories have been in office for 12 years and the issue has grown massive since Cameron failed to deal with it.

It needs a grown up, humanitarian response. Not this far-right shrieking from the likes of Braverman.
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Is it not just a case though of if we didn’t allow them to come here in the first place we wouldn’t have to export them at the cost of millions£££££££££ to our country?

I mean It’s not rocket science is it? 🤷‍♂️
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Is it not just a case though of if we didn’t allow them to come here in the first place we wouldn’t have to export them at the cost of millions£££££££££ to our country?

I mean It’s not rocket science is it? 🤷‍♂️
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This lot have had 12 years to do something about it, and have cut back the people who could do something about it.

Instead, it's like they want a distraction from the economic maelstrom they've created and can appeal to the dog whistle reacting xenophobic streak in their demographic.

It suits the Tories to have this perceived enemy, that's why they've done nothing about it.
 
Anyways. The government is about to do a U turn on immigration. Business and the U.K. economy needs more foreign workers.

So Leaky Su is just going to have to suck it up.

I know they’ll say “it’s the U.K. controlling its borders and deciding who it lets in” but only the gullible will believe that.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
You're punching the wrong

You're punching the wrong target. Empathy is not essential for a politician. What is required is a will to make things better. After that it comes down to which set of principles are most likely to achieve that. For me, the far right Tory model is built upon the xenophobic model of what Britain represents, how it presents itself to the world and why. I do not accept those values and, I would hope, neither do most decent people in this country.
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Well you’re describing you’re target incorrectly. The Tory party isn’t far right. It’s right of centre. And it has values which attracted voters for the last 12 years - most of which are in fact decent people.
Their popularity has dipped drastically due to mistakes with the mini budget amongst other things. But their drop in their polling numbers are not because the population think the party has ‘far right’ awful policies.
 
Malced said:
Well you’re describing you’re target incorrectly. The Tory party isn’t far right. It’s right of centre. And it has values which attracted voters for the last 12 years - most of which are in fact decent people.
Their popularity has dipped drastically due to mistakes with the mini budget amongst other things. But their drop in their polling numbers are not because the population think the party has ‘far right’ awful policies.
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But they do have far right awful policies. It used to be a broad church party but those who have led it over the past few years have come from the far right. The ERG and the Truss fellow travellers who are disciples of the IEA and others who hang out at Tufton Street.
Whether the Tory voters at large recognise this is another matter but if they don't it doesn't make it any less true.
 
If only we were still paying into the EU budget so more cash could be given to improving poor countries like Albania so that the poorest people there had a chance of a decent life in their own country rather than taking it upon themselves to enter Britain for a better life.

Yet another Brexit own goal.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Is it not just a case though of if we didn’t allow them to come here in the first place we wouldn’t have to export them at the cost of millions£££££££££ to our country?

I mean It’s not rocket science is it? 🤷‍♂️
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It's a very complicated situation. People escaping from terrorism or dictatorship or war are refugees. They are guaranteed protection under the 1951 (1967) UNHCR Charter for refugees. Britain was one of the key states in drafting that charter and was one of the signatories.
Of course, wherever there are refugees there will be those who want to cheat the system and there are currently gangs doing just that.

However, there are insufficient resources being directed to the processing of refugees, so the problems of temporary housing keep growing.

That, in turn, leads to the disgraceful conditions of camps such as the Manston refugee processing station and it becomes apparent that there is a humanitarian crisis at hand that requires sensitive and considered attention. Dog whistle politics is not the answer.
 
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1966_and_all_that said:
It's a very complicated situation. People escaping from terrorism or dictatorship or war are refugees. They are guaranteed protection under the 1951 (1967) UNHCR Charter for refugees. Britain was one of the key states in drafting that charter and was one of the signatories.
Of course, wherever there are refugees there will be those who want to cheat the system and there are currently gangs doing just that.

However, there are insufficient resources being directed to the processing of refugees, so the problems of temporary housing keep growing.

That, in turn, leads to the disgraceful conditions of camps such as the Manston refugee processing station and it becomes apparent that there is a humanitarian crisis at hand that requires sensitive and considered attention. Dog whistle politics is not the answer.
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I agree it’s complicated but let’s be clear here not everyone is escaping from war terrorism or dictatorships.
 
She said one thing right, and that is that the system is broken. Unfortunately years of mismanagement is now really biting. Nobody likes to discuss managing migrants and asylum seekers as it immediately becomes politicised.
We have an issue, not with genuine asylum seekers, but the gangs charging vulnerable people a lot of money to get them to Britain for a better life. From the France side of things, to policing our coast, to then processing people who have arrived here, is an utter mess.
Genuine asylum seekers should be helped, but we cannot be an open border for anyone to just come into the country, we haven't the resources to cope. Australia have a similar issue, they deal with it in a different way.
 
Junior_BentsPlatformShoes said:
She said one thing right, and that is that the system is broken. Unfortunately years of mismanagement is now really biting. Nobody likes to discuss managing migrants and asylum seekers as it immediately becomes politicised.
We have an issue, not with genuine asylum seekers, but the gangs charging vulnerable people a lot of money to get them to Britain for a better life. From the France side of things, to policing our coast, to then processing people who have arrived here, is an utter mess.
Genuine asylum seekers should be helped, but we cannot be an open border for anyone to just come into the country, we haven't the resources to cope. Australia have a similar issue, they deal with it in a different way.
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As long as the UK remain subject to the ECHR we cannot deal with the problem. The BBC etc will be frothing at the mouth if Sunak has the balls to do what needs to be done which is why the wet Tories always shy away from taking action.
 
Matesrates said:
Is there a reason why we don’t just immediately return them to France who should be processing them anyway.
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Yea. It’s because they the UK are legally obliged to handle their asylum application if they haven’t made one elsewhere. They ones making the boat crossings choose not to make a claim in France because they want to get to the UK.

As we know, they’re paying large sums of money to the gangs of traffickers. Yet the rhetoric we hear is that these people are fleeing for their lives.

There are indeed genuine asylum seekers buy these are dwarfed by the illegal economic migrants who see the UK as a magnet. The numbers keep on increasing. There’s tens of thousands holed up in hotels. Yet there’s criticism of the Government for not procuring enough hotels. Well that’s not exactly the answer is it. What do we do when the hotels are full? Where are they going to be housed? Last time I checked there wasn’t a load of social housing sat empty waiting to be filled. In fact I’m quite certain there’s huge waiting lists for social housing.

Last time I checked I’m quite sure there wasn’t loads of private rentals waiting to be rented. Nor was there loads of spare council funds to give to these private landlords. In fact the number of private rental landlords is on the decline.

Last time I checked there wasn’t spare capacity with our dentists and schools and GP surgeries. Yet we have day after day of economic migrants landing on our shores.

But yeah let’s process them quicker and get them into hotels. And then let’s process the next 1,000 and the next 1,000 and let’s keep taking them and taking them. And woe betides any far right racist that dares suggest this is detrimental to our country.
 
I really like Suella but unfortunately unless we leave the European court of human rights her hands are tied. I can’t see this happening with this left wing cabinet. The MSM will continue to under report the situation.
 
Malced said:
Yea. It’s because they the UK are legally obliged to handle their asylum application if they haven’t made one elsewhere. They ones making the boat crossings choose not to make a claim in France because they want to get to the UK.

As we know, they’re paying large sums of money to the gangs of traffickers. Yet the rhetoric we hear is that these people are fleeing for their lives.

There are indeed genuine asylum seekers buy these are dwarfed by the illegal economic migrants who see the UK as a magnet. The numbers keep on increasing. There’s tens of thousands holed up in hotels. Yet there’s criticism of the Government for not procuring enough hotels. Well that’s not exactly the answer is it. What do we do when the hotels are full? Where are they going to be housed? Last time I checked there wasn’t a load of social housing sat empty waiting to be filled. In fact I’m quite certain there’s huge waiting lists for social housing.

Last time I checked I’m quite sure there wasn’t loads of private rentals waiting to be rented. Nor was there loads of spare council funds to give to these private landlords. In fact the number of private rental landlords is on the decline.

Last time I checked there wasn’t spare capacity with our dentists and schools and GP surgeries. Yet we have day after day of economic migrants landing on our shores.

But yeah let’s process them quicker and get them into hotels. And then let’s process the next 1,000 and the next 1,000 and let’s keep taking them and taking them. And woe betides any far right racist that dares suggest this is detrimental to our country.
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The ones fleeing war torn countries should stay in the first safe country. Last I heard France was not at war.

The trick they use is to claim they are trafficked. That’s the magic word.

The barristers are making a fortune!
 
Halifax71 said:
Rwanda have agreed to take them. They can be safely assessed there - that would save us £2+bn a year (and rising) on hotel costs. Plus I'd bet it would seriously affect numbers crossing if it was known that 100% you'd be shipped out immediately on arrival. Seems a good option. 👍
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Also NHS costs, the migrants get medicals and see dentists for free,some families in this Country can’t get to see a nhs dentist. While I’ve been waiting 22 months for a Mir scan.
 
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The French must be turning a blind eye to the scum who are making a fortune from the migrants. Get M15 etc to infiltrate the guys running this dreadful trade and close them down and get to the organizers. Massive fines and many years in jail for anyone involved. It’s almost murder to send a small inflatable into that shipping channel.
 
The Albanian Government is now complaining that the Foreign Office is refusing to cooperate with them.
Seems they want the migrants to be deported straight away, which apparently the French and German governments have already done, and this has stemmed the flow of migrants applying for asylum in those countries.
Anyone would think the Foreign Office have a vested interest in maintaining the Albanian problem as an ongoing issue, or is the FO just incompetent?
 
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