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AngelBFC said:
If you dont like the product dont pay for it.

I dont get the concept of not liking the product then watching it.

If you think its too expensive then thats fine but dont watch it illegally.

You shouldnt just steal stuff if you think its too expensive.
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That is a bad comment though isn't it. Because the ACTUAL product I want to see is Blackpool FC< the sub product is that I actually have to purchase something I don't like.

If I don't want to watch Blackpool FC, I won't travel to the game.

If I want to watch the ACTUAL product I have no choice but you use a service to do so.

It's such a bad comment it's unreal.
 
Magic147 said:
If you think a few people watching a football match without paying is anarchy you need to get some perspective.
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I responded to your statement 😀
I have plenty of perspective on life.

I think theft is wrong, there is always a victim
 
AngelBFC said:
Tam

Reducing the price point or improving the quality wont make a difference.

If its free or a fiver people will still do it for free. People are saying they wont pay a tenner for it but its just to justify their illegal actions . They still watch it.

Until the authorities get a grip on it unfortunately it will continue as there are some people who want to cheat clubs.

If ever there was a club whose supporters should be 100 per cent behind their owner in aspects relating to club revenue it should be Blackpool.

I suspect it would be rather demoralising for SS who as we know is one of us if he found any Blackpool fans were illegally streaming BFC games.

I hope no Blackpool fans are illegally streaming these matches.
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Think it's fairly clear from some of the responses that people are doing exactly that and have no shame in doing it.
 
Have I used iptv in the past ? Yes - I live on the other side of the country and can’t get to as many games as I would like

have I used it this year - no - the club needs every penny it can get and regardless of quality (mines been spot on apart from that utter c@ck chisnall) I’m happy to pay

would I rather have a subscription with the club to watch games - yes I’d rather give the club my money than a mate of a mate of a mate etc

all media sources need to move with the times - I use Spotify for music and pay to listen to what I want when I want

I have sky sports but other than t’rugby league don’t bother watching it as I have zero interest in the premier league

give people what they want when they want it and people will be happy to pay
 
SeasideKurt said:
That is a bad comment though isn't it. Because the ACTUAL product I want to see is Blackpool FC< the sub product is that I actually have to purchase something I don't like.

If I don't want to watch Blackpool FC, I won't travel to the game.

If I want to watch the ACTUAL product I have no choice but you use a service to do so.

It's such a bad comment it's unreal.
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Kurt. We'll have to agree to differ on this. You probably know in normal times I attend 75% of games in the flesh but if I can't go I will always watch BFC if I can.
I bought a season ticket so obviously the home games don't cost me anything. Effectively however I 'm paying £20/match because 2 of us always watch together and when lockdown permits Insiderson will join us as well.
Potentially for an away game 3 of us are watching for £10. I don't think that is alot.
I think it's a bit harsh blaming the quality of the product on Chissie. You've got 2 options, turn the sound off or flick the switch to the opposition commentary.
Ifollow isn't great but it's alot better than nowt.
 
Love it that folk are using VPN's and IPTV and that's OK but the minute you use it to watch your team your a thief.
Complete bullshit.
 
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Insider said:
Kurt. We'll have to agree to differ on this. You probably know in normal times I attend 75% of games in the flesh but if I can't go I will always watch BFC if I can.
I bought a season ticket so obviously the home games don't cost me anything. Effectively however I 'm paying £20/match because 2 of us always watch together and when lockdown permits Insiderson will join us as well.
Potentially for an away game 3 of us are watching for £10. I don't think that is alot.
I think it's a bit harsh blaming the quality of the product on Chissie. You've got 2 options, turn the sound off or flick the switch to the opposition commentary.
Ifollow isn't great but it's alot better than nowt.
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That's OK Insider that's your personal circumstances but when you make a general comment it's for all and having to pay 80 quid next month which is same as my Sky bill it's too much.
 
poolseasider said:
That's OK Insider that's your personal circumstances but when you make a general comment it's for all and having to pay 80 quid next month which is same as my Sky bill it's too much.
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I still don't follow the argument.
I do of course fully accept that paying £80 out if you aren't working etc is a lot of money.
In normal times, depending on your financial circumstances, you budget for your football fix. It might in fact cost you £80 just to go to one away match and that might be your limit or 3 home games, whatever.
In these troubled times it's no different. Your budget may be a lot less but your one away game will only cost a tenner.
It's not like ifollow is on a direct debit and you pay £80/90 regardless.
 
If the choice is pay a tenner and watch my team or be a tight arse and not see us play, there really isn't a decision to be made.
I couldn't care less if the commentary is nonsense, there isn't pre, post & half time analysis or if there is only 1 camera; it is the only way I get to watch BFC due to what is happening in the world right now.



*I have IPTV but still pay for ifollow - the club needs all the support it can get at the moment, paying for ifollow & buying merchandise is pretty much the only way fans can contribute right now.
 
Insider said:
Kurt. We'll have to agree to differ on this. You probably know in normal times I attend 75% of games in the flesh but if I can't go I will always watch BFC if I can.
I bought a season ticket so obviously the home games don't cost me anything. Effectively however I 'm paying £20/match because 2 of us always watch together and when lockdown permits Insiderson will join us as well.
Potentially for an away game 3 of us are watching for £10. I don't think that is alot.
I think it's a bit harsh blaming the quality of the product on Chissie. You've got 2 options, turn the sound off or flick the switch to the opposition commentary.
Ifollow isn't great but it's alot better than nowt.
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But it's part of the package, paying 10 quid for something that isn't very good. Frankly, I don't want to listen to Burton commentators or Plymouth commentators talking nonsense about their players.

I also want a commentator for Blackpool FC who can tell the difference between Dan Kemp and Marvin Ekpiteta!
 
SeasideKurt said:
But it's part of the package, paying 10 quid for something that isn't very good. Frankly, I don't want to listen to Burton commentators or Plymouth commentators talking nonsense about their players.

I also want a commentator for Blackpool FC who can tell the difference between Dan Kemp and Marvin Ekpiteta!
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Here’s a thought - an avftt/fans commentary?
 
I agree the product should be better, but what about UK exiles like myself could we have an option of a virtual season ticket with a competitive price. Even some locals with other reasons such as travel, health, cost may wish to stay at home to watch the games even when people are allowed back so could this virtual season ticket be on offer after lockdown. Plenty of people will still want to attend so it shouldn’t have much of an effect on the atmosphere, and it would be more income for the club.
 
Devonshire said:
I agree the product should be better, but what about UK exiles like myself could we have an option of a virtual season ticket with a competitive price. Even some locals with other reasons such as travel, health, cost may wish to stay at home to watch the games even when people are allowed back so could this virtual season ticket be on offer after lockdown. Plenty of people will still want to attend so it shouldn’t have much of an effect on the atmosphere, and it would be more income for the club.
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Only problem with that a soon as you make it available some smart arse then puts it for free on IPTV.
I'd go the opposite you get to see fuck all just Radio commentary until it is 100% secure and that it can't be streamed for free until then tough tits watch the highlights or get to a game.

The current situation is farcical that you pay and the product on offer is exactly the same at least with Sky you can pause rewind or go for a pee just get rid of Ifollow as in the long run it will start to affect attendances.
 
southshore said:
I would have no problem depriving Sky of funds, but not BFC.
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That's my question.

Where do you draw the line.

Copyright theft from Sky is ok, but not from BFC?
Nicking some pick and mix from Woolworths is ok but nicking tools from a workmans van isn't?
Taking a loo role from work is okay, taking a few quid from a dementia paitients purse isn't?
By passing you electric meter is ok but robbing no a car isn't?

It's about where you draw the line, I draw mine at no theft and I don't try and justify it as victimless because it's Sky or a big company or they won't miss it!

I suppose it's about your own morals.
 
Stanah said:
That's my question.

Where do you draw the line.

Copyright theft from Sky is ok, but not from BFC?
Nicking some pick and mix from Woolworths is ok but nicking tools from a workmans van isn't?
Taking a loo role from work is okay, taking a few quid from a dementia paitients purse isn't?
By passing you electric meter is ok but robbing no a car isn't?

It's about where you draw the line, I draw mine at no theft and I don't try and justify it as victimless because it's Sky or a big company or they won't miss it!

I suppose it's about your own morals.
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I presume you've never paid someone cash in hand,had a joint,broken the speed limit,been in a punch up, after hours lockup in a pub, recorded off an Album I could go on there are millions of examples so you can stuff morals unless your a bloody saint.
 
poolseasider said:
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poolseasider said:
I presume you've never paid someone cash in hand,had a joint,broken the speed limit,been in a punch up, after hours lockup in a pub, recorded off an Album I could go on there are millions of examples so you can stuff morals unless your a bloody saint.
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I'm no saint as many on here will testify

My point is that I don't thieve and I don't accept it, it's one of my lines in the sand
 
Stanah said:
I'm no saint as many on here will testify

My point is that I don't thieve and I don't accept it, it's one of my lines in the sand
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If you think watching BFC on a dodgy streem is thieving complete and utter nonsense it's illegal but so is taking drugs or speeding and you won't get a criminal record for doing so.
 
rockontommy said:
Pandemic or no pandemic, living life vicariously through tech is bad for MH. Fake socialisation, fake experiences, fake emotions, real detachment.
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I agree to a point, but people said the same of reading in the 18th century.
 
Stanah said:
That's my question.

Where do you draw the line.

Copyright theft from Sky is ok, but not from BFC?
Nicking some pick and mix from Woolworths is ok but nicking tools from a workmans van isn't?
Taking a loo role from work is okay, taking a few quid from a dementia paitients purse isn't?
By passing you electric meter is ok but robbing no a car isn't?

It's about where you draw the line, I draw mine at no theft and I don't try and justify it as victimless because it's Sky or a big company or they won't miss it!

I suppose it's about your own morals.
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But you could make a very coherent moral argument that sky have stolen football. Not only did they use their wealth to buy it and place it behind a paywall, they also then mess about with kick off times. That meant I couldn't watch the last away game at Bolton for example whereas I could have done had they not messed with it. I'd arranged my life around football then the game got moved. Bastards.

I don't accept that simply because they have the economic heft to buy the rights they have the moral right to profit from football. In fact, I literally think 'fuck em'

The club is very different imo as the club are merely trying to replace the income they already had and have always relied on.
 
Stanah said:
That's my question.

Where do you draw the line.

Copyright theft from Sky is ok, but not from BFC?
Nicking some pick and mix from Woolworths is ok but nicking tools from a workmans van isn't?
Taking a loo role from work is okay, taking a few quid from a dementia paitients purse isn't?
By passing you electric meter is ok but robbing no a car isn't?

It's about where you draw the line, I draw mine at no theft and I don't try and justify it as victimless because it's Sky or a big company or they won't miss it!

I suppose it's about your own morals.
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Indeed it is. Have you ever driven over the speed limit? No it’s not theft but it’s still breaking the law which is the point surely?
 
td53 said:
But you could make a very coherent moral argument that sky have stolen football. Not only did they use their wealth to buy it and place it behind a paywall, they also then mess about with kick off times. That meant I couldn't watch the last away game at Bolton for example whereas I could have done had they not messed with it. I'd arranged my life around football then the game got moved. Bastards.

I don't accept that simply because they have the economic heft to buy the rights they have the moral right to profit from football. In fact, I literally think 'fuck em'

The club is very different imo as the club are merely trying to replace the income they already had and have always relied on.
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Wasn't Man utd our last away game and Bolton home. 😁
 
heapster said:
Here’s a thought - an avftt/fans commentary?
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It's not a bad idea in theory
My lad used to do ' over commentary ' if that's the right expression on Rabble a fair few years back
He used the same platform to broadcast the Oyston meet at the Hilton back in 2016 when he had 2000+ tuned in live
However the problem I foresee with commentating over the radio commentary is marrying that up with the visual as from my experience one iFollow broadcast can be minutes ahead of another and it's rare that they align ( which I still don't quite get )
 
I reckon there's an awful lot of hypocrisy on here.
I'm no expert but anyone who has IPTV is more than likely robbing some-one. IPTV is not just for football.
And secondly, I don't buy into it's the majority who watch the matches on Ifollow as a group so the cost can be shared. Certainly at this point in time no-one should be watching with their mates. And do most fans go to matches with their partner? I'd say not. So you should be watching the match alone. You go with your son/dad/daughter/mother? Do they live with you? No. You should be watching the match alone. You go with your kids and they live with you. Then fine they can watch it. You gonna charge them or dock their pocket money? Nah, don't think so.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
It's not a bad idea in theory
My lad used to do ' over commentary ' if that's the right expression on Rabble a fair few years back
He used the same platform to broadcast the Oyston meet at the Hilton back in 2016 when he had 2000+ tuned in live
However the problem I foresee with commentating over the radio commentary is marrying that up with the visual as from my experience one iFollow broadcast can be minutes ahead of another and it's rare that they align ( which I still don't quite get )
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shouldn't be an issue - Chisnall's been doing it for years
 
Some interesting thoughts on here. I won't enter the IPTV argument as it's been done to death on here over the years.

IFollow being £10. I've watched every game so far this season. I never really thought of the cost. As someone posted that could be over £100 per month. That is an awful lot for the product. And for me the club should be offering a discount for a season pass or a "bundle". I'm happy to pay as I am fortunate enough to cover it and want the money to go to the club, but for many people they may have to miss out on games due to the cost.

I'm guessing this is out of the club's remit and we get what Ifollow offer.
 
td53 said:
No, not Prem, the season before last when sky shifted to Bolton away game to Friday or Monday night. Can't remember exact details but they moved it and I couldn't go.
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Monday- bolloxed me up that also my lad booked weekend off and then had to work so I didn't go couldn't be bothered going on my own. 👍
 
20togo said:
I reckon there's an awful lot of hypocrisy on here.
I'm no expert but anyone who has IPTV is more than likely robbing some-one. IPTV is not just for football.
And secondly, I don't buy into it's the majority who watch the matches on Ifollow as a group so the cost can be shared. Certainly at this point in time no-one should be watching with their mates. And do most fans go to matches with their partner? I'd say not. So you should be watching the match alone. You go with your son/dad/daughter/mother? Do they live with you? No. You should be watching the match alone. You go with your kids and they live with you. Then fine they can watch it. You gonna charge them or dock their pocket money? Nah, don't think so.
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I don't agree with your second point 20s. I really don't think this one of your better formulated arguments
There are lots of parents with younger children (than yours or mine) go to matches at Bloomfield Rd. They even have a family stand! Of course they don't charge them but it only will cost them £10 to watch on Saturday. How much would they have paid for the tickets alone if they had gone to Peterborough?
There are also plenty of couples go to games as well.
Not many people actually go to matches on their own and we've had lots of different lockdown rules and not all of them have stopped households mixing.
So I'm pretty sure if you are watching on your own you will be in a minority.
 
Insider said:
I don't agree with your second point 20s. I really don't think this one of your better formulated arguments
There are lots of parents with younger children (than yours or mine) go to matches at Bloomfield Rd. They even have a family stand! Of course they don't charge them but it only will cost them £10 to watch on Saturday. How much would they have paid for the tickets alone if they had gone to Peterborough?
There are also plenty of couples go to games as well.
Not many people actually go to matches on their own and we've had lots of different lockdown rules and not all of them have stopped households mixing.
So I'm pretty sure if you are watching on your own you will be in a minority.
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People go on their own from that household but meet up with their mates. Are you suggesting the Muckers are all related?
 
Insider said:
I don't agree with your second point 20s. I really don't think this one of your better formulated arguments
There are lots of parents with younger children (than yours or mine) go to matches at Bloomfield Rd. They even have a family stand! Of course they don't charge them but it only will cost them £10 to watch on Saturday. How much would they have paid for the tickets alone if they had gone to Peterborough?
There are also plenty of couples go to games as well.
Not many people actually go to matches on their own and we've had lots of different lockdown rules and not all of them have stopped households mixing.
So I'm pretty sure if you are watching on your own you will be in a minority.
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You have absolutely no substance behind that sentence.
 
Insider said:
I don't agree with your second point 20s. I really don't think this one of your better formulated arguments
There are lots of parents with younger children (than yours or mine) go to matches at Bloomfield Rd. They even have a family stand! Of course they don't charge them but it only will cost them £10 to watch on Saturday. How much would they have paid for the tickets alone if they had gone to Peterborough?
There are also plenty of couples go to games as well.
Not many people actually go to matches on their own and we've had lots of different lockdown rules and not all of them have stopped households mixing.
So I'm pretty sure if you are watching on your own you will be in a minority.
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Every single person I know, from a Blackpool background who goes to Blackpool games, live in separate households.
 
Insider said:
I don't agree with your second point 20s. I really don't think this one of your better formulated arguments
There are lots of parents with younger children (than yours or mine) go to matches at Bloomfield Rd. They even have a family stand! Of course they don't charge them but it only will cost them £10 to watch on Saturday. How much would they have paid for the tickets alone if they had gone to Peterborough?
There are also plenty of couples go to games as well.
Not many people actually go to matches on their own and we've had lots of different lockdown rules and not all of them have stopped households mixing.
So I'm pretty sure if you are watching on your own you will be in a minority.
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What about people like me who have shelled out for two adults ST or more and then sit with my lad watching one stream?
He used to be able to hand the code around mates but that has stopped as he ain't giving in log in details to someone so for 25 ish a game and tenner for aways I could be well over a ton a month out for a crap product.
 
Insider said:
Just look around you when the time comes that we can all go back in the ground.
Of course when that happens we won't need to argue about ifollow.
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No, but you have no idea whether that is the case or not? It simply isn't true that the "majority" are watching with others? Actually, it's probably the opposite.
 
Pooly:
I think I'm misunderstanding peoples maths here.
If you have shelled out for 2 season tickets (or more) I'm not taking that into account as part of your payment to ifollow.
You've paid your money to BFC and in return you get to watch home games for free.
My argument is whether you get value for the £10 you pay for away games either or your own or even better value with your lad.
 
SeasideKurt said:
No, but you have no idea whether that is the case or not? It simply isn't true that the "majority" are watching with others? Actually, it's probably the opposite.
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Let's just agree that neither of us know.
I don't watch alone and neither does poolseasider apparently
 
Insider said:
Pooly:
I think I'm misunderstanding peoples maths here.
If you have shelled out for 2 season tickets (or more) I'm not taking that into account as part of your payment to ifollow.
You've paid your money to BFC and in return you get to watch home games for free.
My argument is whether you get value for the £10 you pay for away games either or your own or even better value with your lad.
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I don't do away games anymore since Ifollow has gone down twice after paying,stuff that it then works on the IPTV which is madness.
 
Insider said:
Pooly:
I think I'm misunderstanding peoples maths here.
If you have shelled out for 2 season tickets (or more) I'm not taking that into account as part of your payment to ifollow.
You've paid your money to BFC and in return you get to watch home games for free.
My argument is whether you get value for the £10 you pay for away games either or your own or even better value with your lad.
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Think we're certainly looking at it from different angles. I've paid for a season ticket that should entitle me to go to games. I can't because of Covid so BFC have allowed me to watch it on Ifollow. I have still paid to watch the game. It's not for free.
 
20togo said:
Think we're certainly looking at it from different angles. I've paid for a season ticket that should entitle me to go to games. I can't because of Covid so BFC have allowed me to watch it on Ifollow. I have still paid to watch the game. It's not for free.
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Correct but the o/p was about illegal streams potentially denying football clubs a share of £10 which moved on as to whether £10 was a fair price to rob them of.
Presumably you were under no illusions when you bought a ST that you might not actually get to watch 23 games.
 
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