Send Marv out on loan

daft idea. Marv is a quality player who will come good again. His confidence is shot so yep, give him a few games rest. Daresay it won't be too long til we have an injured centre back so Marv will get his chance then. But it's the TEAM which need to come good. This isn't all down to Marv.
 
20togo said:
daft idea. Marv is a quality player who will come good again. His confidence is shot so yep, give him a few games rest. Daresay it won't be too long til we have an injured centre back so Marv will get his chance then. But it's the TEAM which need to come good. This isn't all down to Marv.
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Yep, a loan wouldn't be any good for the player or the club. There's been several threads about giving the ball to Marv, yet we still do it.

With our injuries in forward positions, he could cover at CF as a very ast resort unless we make some much needed quality signings.
 
Dave62 said:
Yep, a loan wouldn't be any good for the player or the club. There's been several threads about giving the ball to Marv, yet we still do it.

With our injuries in forward positions, he could cover at CF as a very ast resort unless we make some much needed quality signings.
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That may be an idea, as you say as a last resort. He did originally play as a striker, before being converted to centre back.
 
Nah he's had long stretches where he was one of the better defenders in the league above. Sub him out for Pennington for a bit and focus on building his confidence, then play to his strengths (this could be said for 75% of the team to be fair).
 
Players have dips in form some times. Marv’s currently having a rough time. He looked uncomfortable when Critchley first joined tbf and then Mad Uncle Richard calmed him down and made him a much better player. Perhaps Marv needs that guidance again to bring the best out of him. He’ll be back to his self soon enough. And when he’s himself he’s by far and away one of, if not the, best defenders in this division. Imperious in the air, quick and tough in the challenges. Eradicate the mistakes and you’ve got a star man
 
Greennutmegsmoore said:
That's an intelligent response. Pardon me for having an opinion. I am not anti Mar v but he has not played well for several months now. I am not sure how he gets his confidence and timing back without some major change.
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Not sure how being loaned out would do his confidence any good either tbh. What you’d be doing is just giving away one of our best players due to a short run of bad form following a period of mismanagement

Also there’s not a club in this league that wouldn’t have Marvin in their starting XI and likely not a club in the division above that wouldn’t have him on their books. We’d be crazy to ship him out.
 
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Greennutmegsmoore said:
That's an intelligent response. Pardon me for having an opinion. I am not anti Mar v but he has not played well for several months now. I am not sure how he gets his confidence and timing back without some major change.
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you did ask what we think! Perhaps you haven't got the responses you thought you would get. As for not playing well for several months, I'd have a look at how many games he's played so far this year. Think he's missed most of the games through injury but hey don't let facts get in the way of your not anti Marv stance.
 
He doesn't need to leave the club just put him on the bench and when somebody else gets injured or has a drop in form he gets another chance.
It's not complicated and there is no need for an overreaction.
 
Greennutmegsmoore said:
Eki is a liability at present. He is not going to get any better or more confident in our first team. No point playing in dev team and I think we have decent cover without him. Worth sending out on loan for a fresh start? What do we think.
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I think you need to stop posting such shite
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Players have dips in form some times. Marv’s currently having a rough time. He looked uncomfortable when Critchley first joined tbf and then Mad Uncle Richard calmed him down and made him a much better player. Perhaps Marv needs that guidance again to bring the best out of him. He’ll be back to his self soon enough. And when he’s himself he’s by far and away one of, if not the, best defenders in this division. Imperious in the air, quick and tough in the challenges. Eradicate the mistakes and you’ve got a star man
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He looked uncomfortable when Critchley first joined? Critchley signed him, I’m pretty sure.
 
Ekpiteta isn’t a kid anymore. If he isn’t up to it, ship him out. If he is, then play to his strengths and don’t pretend he’s the next van dijk. We expect too much of defenders these days and lge 1 lads are not all that. He’s had one howler per game since whenever he came but it’s up to the coaching staff to minimise the likelihood of him being caught out.
 
Given the timing I don't think it will happen, as we'd need a ready made loan replacement. However the idea isn't a bad one I don't think. A fresh start to January might actually benefit the player a lot. Confidence isn't a physical thing, it can take time to heal, so I don't think there's a quick fix here. I genuinely feel sorry for Marv, but at present I think he's behind Casey, Pennington, Husband and Connelly in the pecking order. Sad but he will come back with the right coaching.
 
He's being used as a ball playing centre half which not every defender can do never mind Marv no wonder his current form is poor.

If we are to persist with a back 3 let someone else do that role put ME right of the three or just drop him for a couple of games but to loan him out is ridiculous.
 
Dave62 said:
Yep, a loan wouldn't be any good for the player or the club. There's been several threads about giving the ball to Marv, yet we still do it.

With our injuries in forward positions, he could cover at CF as a very ast resort unless we make some much needed quality signings.
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Happened in early 70’s Glynn James played centre Forward scored a few goals from memory .😀😀🍊🖤
 
Greennutmegsmoore said:
That's an intelligent response. Pardon me for having an opinion. I am not anti Mar v but he has not played well for several months now. I am not sure how he gets his confidence and timing back without some major change.
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Thats bollocks as well cos he got injured in January and only played once in April after that and then it was the summer break. So he hasnt actually played for months. Maybe go and have a re think.

I wouldn't be playing him in that central distribution role, he's had a long spell out and his confidence isn't great and he's not comfortable being in that role. Casey looked a lot more comfortable there at Derby. And we had two 6s with Dougall and Virtue, which worked better than just Norbs, who just gets mugged repeatedly.

And Dougall played well. Folks. In a better set up. 👍
 
Go back to playing a flat back 4 and stop with the sideways and backwards passing and I think Marv would do just fine defending. He’s probably doing what critchley is telling him to do which doesn’t work. I admit he’s been terrible lately but that’s more down to formation and tactics imo. 532 or 352 does NOT work for us as we haven’t got the players to play as inverted wing backs and playing cj and lyons on the wrong sides is pathetic from critchley
Get back to 442 or 433 and I bet winning results would happen. Only my opinion of course
 
Greennutmegsmoore said:
Eki is a liability at present. He is not going to get any better or more confident in our first team. No point playing in dev team and I think we have decent cover without him. Worth sending out on loan for a fresh start? What do we think.
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Stand up when you post, you'd get more volume that way
 
BFC4EVA said:
Go back to playing a flat back 4 and stop with the sideways and backwards passing and I think Marv would do just fine defending. He’s probably doing what critchley is telling him to do which doesn’t work. I admit he’s been terrible lately but that’s more down to formation and tactics imo. 532 or 352 does NOT work for us as we haven’t got the players to play as inverted wing backs and playing cj and lyons on the wrong sides is pathetic from critchley
Get back to 442 or 433 and I bet winning results would happen. Only my opinion of course
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100%. Everyone is uncomfortable playing and watching these awful tactics and formation. It’s only fair to judge players when they are not being told to play over complicated bollocks.

Ekpiteta is brilliant and has my full support. CJ is decent as a winger too.
 
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A_Tense_Grin said:
100%. Everyone is uncomfortable playing and watching these awful tactics and formation. It’s only fair to judge players when they are been told to play over complicated bollocks.

Ekpiteta is brilliant and has my full support. CJ is decent as a winger too.

The only problem is the manager.
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The problem is not the manager, he was by far the best available manager. It is still very early in the season & transfer window is still open , I am confident he will get it right.
Ekpiteta is a good solid defender but poor at distribution , he will come good again.
CJ I have never thought he has the basic skill levels, he never seems to be able to have the ball under control, I wouldn’t made if he left the club.
 
20togo said:
daft idea. Marv is a quality player who will come good again. His confidence is shot so yep, give him a few games rest. Daresay it won't be too long til we have an injured centre back so Marv will get his chance then. But it's the TEAM which need to come good. This isn't all down to Marv.
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Marv can defend but quality players can pass it 5 feet, which he certainly can not.
 
All pros should be good enough to pass it a few feet. But apart from City or Brighton they all struggle by what is usual called farting about at the back. I can’t remember us creating chances by doing it, in fact it usually ends with keeper doing a last minute hoof out of play. I guess coaching badges are passed by pretending John Stones is centre half when using chess pieces instead of humans. It certainly confused players at QPR and Aston Villa.
 
Burnnazzer said:
All pros should be good enough to pass it a few feet. But apart from City or Brighton they all struggle by what is usual called farting about at the back. I can’t remember us creating chances by doing it, in fact it usually ends with keeper doing a last minute hoof out of play. I guess coaching badges are passed by pretending John Stones is centre half when using chess pieces instead of humans. It certainly confused players at QPR and Aston Villa.
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Don't disagree. Just when you know a player is likely to lose it you don't give him the chance to.
 
Thanks all for robust debate as usual. Glad I did not make it a poll as would have been slaughtered. Good to see some Marv love out there. Most agree he is a decent defender and that passing is not his strongpoint. Probably would be better in 442 but don't see that happening and currently husband, casey, Pennington and Connolly are all safer bets in a back three so guess that should leave him as back up for present.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Of course he can. But his confidence is shot at the moment. Of course, he'll never be the best distributor of a ball but right now he's forced to be the focus of the distribution from the back. That's not what he should be doing.
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well said. Of course Marv can pass the ball more than five feet and let's face it it's probably over 95% of his passes that are accurate. And that is much more likley a fact than the claim he can't pass it five feet.
 
20togo said:
well said. Of course Marv can pass the ball more than five feet and let's face it it's probably over 95% of his passes that are accurate. And that is much more likley a fact than the claim he can't pass it five feet.
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Quite right. But he looks nervous as hell at the moment.
 
Greennutmegsmoore said:
Thanks all for robust debate as usual. Glad I did not make it a poll as would have been slaughtered. Good to see some Marv love out there. Most agree he is a decent defender and that passing is not his strongpoint. Probably would be better in 442 but don't see that happening and currently husband, casey, Pennington and Connolly are all safer bets in a back three so guess that should leave him as back up for present.
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No, yours is a good OP but don't cave in. 3-5-2 is bollocks. Even if it can work there's still a place for Marv, just not the pivot.
 
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