There is a greater percentage of black players than of black managers and that is a fact but is that because any chairmen are deliberately not employing black managers or because they are perhaps even reluctant to do so.....
That's something that nobody can ever say or show it's occoured apart from a chairman that has a job available and if they make that information public ....but 'why' would a chairman be reluctant? What has ANY 'black' manager ever done that makes a chairman 'reluctant' to give it to a black manager????...there isn't a bias as it's 99% based on the best 'person' for that job...at that time...and x amount of months before the chairman will sack them for poor results....
Should the proportion of black managers necessarily be reflected in management....
There are only 8 English managers (Rodgers says he's Irish) in the Premiership out of 20..... but English players make up 68% of players in the Prem....so following your 1st statement, Chairman are openly biased by not employing 'English' managers...but that's not based on the colour of their skin....English managers are just rubbish at managing....get a Scotsman, German or an Italian.......for every Pep......you get a Neil Warnock.
As somebody has already alluded to above, different skill sets are required.....
Lost on this one...are you saying that (a) Black Managers have a different skill set? (b) Black Managers 'don't' ever have the skill set or (c) Black managers cant obtain the skill set......and whats that based on...For every John Barnes, Paul Ince.....I will give you a Lee Clarke, Neil MacDonald & Colin Hendry
I can only speak for myself and personally I couldn't care less what skin colour a potential manager had and I have no evidence to suggest that than any chairmen are discriminating on the grounds of colour.....
So you're saying you don't believe your 1st question???
As you suggest, I think if anybody is good enough they will make it....
Yes, that's the ONLY thing being a manger should be about
You referred to Sol Campbell and recently there was a fuss about how Lampard and Gerrard were afforded opportunities that he wasn't but were they given their current positions because of their skin colour ?.....
NO and I doubt that has never been considered, raised or even thought of by anyone about Lampard or Gerrard....but it has about Campbell..
Lampard has obviously been given a great opportunity at Chelsea but I think it's fair to say that he was afforded that opportunity because of his previous achievements at Chelsea - record goalscorer and legend - and because of his relative success at Derby and not because of his skin colour ?....
and that's why Spurs gave Ozzie Ardiles a chance at management, Middlesborough gave Woodgate a chance at management....it has nothing to do with skin colour....football teams give ex-players a chance at management.....as you can obviously see from the 2 examples you give below...for every Gerrard.....there is a Barnes.....
Gerrard has also been afforded a great opportunity at Rangers but I think it's fair to say that he was afforded that opportunity because of time spent in the Liverpool coaching set up and after making a magnificent contribution to that club as a player and not because of his skin colour ?
Celtic have only once in their history given their managers job to somebody with no previous managerial experience - and will probably never do so again ! - and that was to John Barnes, he wasn't afforded the opportunity because of his skin colour and if he had been successful at Celtic I am sure he would have been considered for other jobs - perhaps Liverpool - if he had been successful....
agree
No doubt there will be a number of initiatives and/or incentives to try and increase the percentage of black managers and these initiatives/incentives and hopefully such schemes will help ensure that no potentially great black managers are lost to the game.....
Hopefully and that's why Jason Lee brought this up as it may uncover new managers who wouldn't have tried in the current set up.
Of course, such schemes will not be available to potential white managers who will be
automatically disadvantaged and we are back to the potential issues caused by
positive discrimination such as the loss of potentially
great white managers......
WHY did you have to have a little dig and bring it back to 'white' managers......You said "I think if anybody is good enough they will make it" but you again just dismiss your own comments.....Black, White, Brown, Asian, Male, Female.....if they are good they will make it......Just look at Evett......excellent in the non-league...now moving up.....it's NOT about the colour of his skin...he was given an opportunity.....so why do a Trump and intimate 'white' managers are going to lose out.....as with any job...start off, do well, get promoted, try new things...move up the corporate ladder.....basic......but it's how good you are.....NOT skin colour....and NO 'white' people will miss out as you say.....it's not going to be black v white.
Maybe I should have just said give the best man the job every time......
Give everyone the opportunity...and the best person for that job will then be employed......no matter what their skin colour is.....Akinfenwa at Wycome was able to really motivate players in the last 2 play off games and I think players like him will add to any club management in the leagues going forward....lets hope he will be given an opportunity from ...Fans, Players and Chairman
What I find particularly worrying about the OP is the statement from the PFA that
"Football clubs should be forced by law to recruit black managers". From a seemingly respectable organisation, such a statement is ridiculous and inflammatory, and probably racist in itself.
The comment was made by Jason Lee who is the PFA's equalities executive (whatever that is?)
The PFA said they are using it as a talk point to raise the question of black players being able to move into management.
In saying it, he's got people talking about it and discussing it.....and debating if there is something to change
The more we talk about it the more we can change our views to give opportunities to those who maybe haven't had them.
I think the 'idea' of it becoming a law was Lee's way of saying it was the only way to make sure it happened.....It would never be a law...but it gets the hard of thinking riled up and blowing a gasket.