I don’t think we need to continue to force feed the public with data about Covid. I’d rather just continue to watch the News and stay up to date with what’s going on on the world and just stop focusing on data for a single disease….
I think the value is in only testing people with symptoms, there’s no value in testing whole warehouses/offices or High School Children as an example just for the sake of testing which then results in isolation for many on the basis of someone being fit and healthy but testing positive for a virus they have no symptoms of. They advertise people with no symptoms to come forward and get tested? It use to be called hypochondria.
The advantage of testing (in the short term) is to break the transmission cycle. Asymptomatic individuals will present a significant transmissible risk, not least because nobody is aware that they have the virus…. In that case, it’s those they pass the virus onto who would potentially be at risk.
So we are in a casedemic now then?
We're not running the Country on cases though are we?
When it comes to using data to suit my argument I’ve learnt from the best... Chris Whitty- next slide please, we had out of date data to extend the latest restrictions.We're not running the Country on cases though are we?
And by using data in February (i.e. a point on the downslope of a trend, where deaths lag cases) you are purposefully trying to misinterpret data to suit your argument (either that or you are unbelievably ignorant of the facts). Case numbers were around 12-16000 in early October with deaths around 30
There has however been an affect on the ratio of deaths to case numbers, which seems to have resulted from vaccination, but it's a little bit too early to be absolutely certain. We aren't being led by case numbers, though the Government has chosen to be cautious and sit things out to see how things pan out and I think it's easy to see the common sense in that approach.
Maybe you are yes...
Deaths from what ?
Not looking for an argument Lost, but if you read my post there still not enough info in that graph for me.
Lost, I’m Confused by your defensive response. I will have to assume you are a touch touchy and a touch scared of COVID and as such may be a couch cuddler. Of course I may be wrong and if so fair dos.
Most of the staff at the vaccine centres cost nothing. Volunteers.From tomorrow, just stop the mass testing. We are testing over a million a day, hence why we have cases rising. Hospitalisations are fine, deaths aren’t a concern & Covid is now 24th in the list of deaths in the UK. We are looking for ‘cases’ which are not sick people, just a positive result.
Close down the majority of Test Centres that usually have about 10+ staff in Hi-Viz ‘working’ there, would love to see the costings of them and then revert to a pretty simple policy, you only get a test if you have symptoms of the virus which doesn’t include hayfever symptoms which has suddenly appeared as a symptom, almost magically.
You then don’t advertise for people to come forward with no symptoms of a virus you want them to be tested for, you simply say that if you have symptoms you book a test and isolate until you have a test that’s negative. Once you are negative you free to be out and about.
You do not tell people with no symptoms who have had ‘close contact’ or happened to be in a pub in a 7 hour timeframe to isolate unless they have any symptoms.
If you do the above, life gets back to normal.
A million tests you know!? This is before we discuss the reliability of the PCR test.
A ‘Go Compare’ with the rest of Europe and we are world leading on testing, by hundreds of thousands! It really needs to be knocked on the head all of the above, 250,000 kids in isolation at the moment missing school, I’ll bet anyone that 250,000 kids all return to school fit and healthy.
Remember when Councils and Schools use to fine parents for taking their children out of school to go on holidays as they were missing out on vital education? They now miss 10 days for someone in their year group having a positive test.
Choose life, stop the tests
So why are so many adamant that it doesn't?
I was just about to say, 'talk about burying ones head in the sand'.
This is a false statement and can be backed up here by Dr Mike Yeadon a former chief scientist and vice president at Pfizer.
show me thenLol …
Yet loads of people have contracted the virus from people showing no symptoms
Yes Mike Yeadon Chief Scientist (clue is the name) who knows more than you as do all the scientists who published and peer reviewed the paper also do.
Testing will still take place, just not mass-testing creating false positives and forcing fit and healthy people to isolate, that’s no bad thing is it?I was just about to say, 'talk about burying ones head in the sand'.
Of course it would reduce the population so there would be plenty of everything else to go around.
But they aren’t seeing a spike in cases or deaths? So although you say we shouldn’t follow their lead, why not? It’s working.
No not really, I was looking for a bit more than that. I think I made it quite clear.
Farcical? In the midst of a pandemic that has shut down our Country and had a devastatic impacy all over the globe?
But I’m not saying ignore it? I’m not saying don’t isolate people who are positive? I’m saying it’s a farce that people who have simply had close contact or are in the same year group still have to isolate despite having no symptoms and testing negative.
Yet the Chief Medical Officer (clue is in the name) says the exact opposite.
Is there anything wrong with the individual in your household? Any symptoms etc. Hope they are ok. I don’t agree with the idea that everyone needs to isolate if there is nothing wrong with them and they test negative. It’s a waste of everyone’s time and money.We’re not testing healthy people to declare them unwell.
We are testing individuals who may pose a risk of transmission in order to determine whether they have developed the virus and pose a transmission risk.
The purpose of that is clear… To stop transmission in its tracks and it works.
Right now (for example) we have a Covid positive individual in our household. You wouldn’t have tested the individual at all, yet they work in roles where they interact with significant numbers of the public (some vulnerable).
Had we not done the test, then they would have almost certainly passed the virus on to other household members (so far we appear to have avoided this)…. Also they would have posed a risk through work.
Of course, the isolation (for us all) is a ball ache, but testing is likely to eventually be the way out of that too…The LF tests are easy to use and extremely accurate.
Well if it isn’t now, it never will be...
That’s the thing. There’s always going to be transmission, variants, it’s not going away?
Well said. It blows my mind that any old wacky shit can be dressed up as scientific and people will blindly go along with it. It's a little scary just how compliant people can be actually.
But nobody is aiming for ‘Zero Covid’… Well at least not in the U.K.
Are you seriously going to counter a scientist with 30+ years experience with some "fact checking" articles written by failed journalists with zero scientific knowledge whatsoever.
Thanks for bringing nothing to the debate
So your scientist (clue is in the name) trumps all over opinion?
From the article that you provided:
No he doesnt trump all opinion but his statements hold more weight than a pleb like me. Id also argue he is far more experienced in this field than Mr Whitty will ever be. I also provided a peer reviewed scientific paper alongside his statement something which Mr Whitty has never provided to the British public.
There have been further studies that have identified viable virus in cultures collected from Asymptomatic patients and that's notwithstanding the fact that it is impossibible to determine whether an individual is Asymptomatic or Presymptomatic until it is too late in any case.
Ok thanks. Id be interested to see those if you get chance.