SLO - Does he do a good job?

Tbey produced a report detailing the things they've neglected to do? That's very noble of them! What were their main failings, did they think? And did you agree?

I think @seasideone was drafted in to try and help them to rediscover/package themselves a good while back now.

They then asked for feedback from fans (might be getting on for a couple of years now)… Received the feedback… Then produced a report and published the findings around 12 months or so ago.

I was in agreement with many of the issues raised at the time, yes.
 
For the record Steve applied for the role along with three others
Three of those applicants had BST connections There weren't any with links to any other supporters group
All four were interviewed by Michael Bolingbroke and Steve was selected
Two of the other candidates have worked as part of the SLO team since inception so that's four years plus - at great outcome keeping them involved
The other candidate now heads up BST
Also please note there was only me on the interim board with BST connections and I hadn't been on the committee for 4.5 years at the time after standing down as Chair in Feb 2015
I wrote the job spec and attended the interviews however Michael was the decision-maker and I think his choice was the right one
To suggest Steve got the job because of me is simply wrong but perhaps that doesn't fit with the conspiracy theories
Finally who do the critics suggest should have been appointed bearing in mind there were only four applications ? And how many fans out there do we think are willing to give their time to the volunteer role that Steve undertakes for the love of the club only to get unjustified grief from the usual suspects ?

The abuse is uncalled for and must be dispiriting

Anyone involved at any form of level in representing fans gets pelters

Just today I have repeatedly been called a liar on X over my postings regarding the meet with the CEO and also had another idiot join in by suggesting that my involvement in the interim board in someway is linked to the fact that the Oystons haven't yet been ejected from the penthouse and offices

It's a regular thing and whilst ' water off a ducks back ' to me really isn't something any of us should have to put up with, least of all Steve
They aren't idiots Tim and as far as I'm aware dont have the right to reply on this forum, so my advice to you would be to challenge them on Twitter where they can defend themselves

Just saying ......
 
I think I'm broadly right in saying the SLO role was an FSA concept dating back to the late 80s - I think it comes from international football and was the idea of having someone who wasn't a copper who would facilitate communication between the fans and the authorities for England away games - where there were issues with a complete lack of communication. The SLO would be responsible for feeding back things like "actually, that riot was prompted by an unprovoked tear gas attack" to the FA and saying things like "the trains will depart from platform 4" to the fans. A conduit if you like... Someone not distrusted by both sides.

The role is quite limited in scope in that sense.

There are clubs in the world who go a lot further - with full time staff dedicated to various kinds of fan liason up to and including rehabilitation of violent offenders in the fanbase with community work and suchlike. We haven't got that model or anything close.

Given as Steve is a part time volunteer, I think he gets a lot of unmerited criticism and there exists a belief that he has more powers than the role allows him. I don't know Steve beyond a couple of email exchanges - but my guess is that how he would do the role given a clean page and no limits is probably different from how the role is constituted by the club.
 
They aren't idiots Tim and as far as I'm aware dont have the right to reply on this forum, so my advice to you would be to challenge them on Twitter where they can defend themselves

Just saying ......
Thanks for the advice but I’m not sure I owe anyone a right of reply when they spout nonsense about me
I’ve not named either of them on here just used them an example of what we all have to put up with whilst commenting to the abuse Steve gets
I don’t go on X / Twitter a lot however when I do there’s usually some drivel that’s been spouted that is based on the square root of zero fact wise
Yesterday was just an example
As it happened I did reply to both One sort of backed down and the other just carried on barking at the moon so I left him to it
As I said I’m not overly bothered - I just used that for illustrative purposes
As an aside I noted you were perpetuating the myth that I appointed Steve on there ( just came across it whilst replying to the ‘liar ‘ allegations ) which is also untrue
I’ve dealt with that on this thread if you care to read
 
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Didn't Phil used to tell us that like the MSG he had direct contact with an ex-board member?

So it appears that in the world of Phil and The MSG it's okay for them to interact with the board but if the elected BST committe does so and then informs the fan base of the nature of the dialogue then those meetings are branded as secret and the integrity and intentions of BST and the individuals in it is questioned.
 
Thanks for the advice but I’m not sure I owe anyone a right of reply when they spout nonsense about me
I’ve not named either of them on here just used them an example of what we all have to put up with whilst commenting to the abuse Steve gets
I don’t go on X / Twitter a lot however when I do there’s usually some drivel that’s been spouted that is based on the square root of zero fact wise
Yesterday was just an example
As it happened I did reply to both One sort of backed down and the other just carried on barking at the moon so I left him to it
As I said I’m not overly bothered - I just used that for illustrative purposes
As an aside I noted you were perpetuating the myth that I appointed Steve on there ( just came across it whilst replying to the ‘liar ‘ allegations which is also untrue
I’ve dealt with that on this thread if you care to read
I've read it thanks
 
Didn't Phil used to tell us that like the MSG he had direct contact with an ex-board member?

So it appears that in the world of Phil and The MSG it's okay for them to interact with the board but if the elected BST committe does so and then informs the fan base of the nature of the dialogue then those meetings are branded as secret and the integrity and intentions of BST and the individuals in it is questioned.
You still haven't told us who you are?
 
You still haven't told us who you are?
He makes a good point
Do I expect the MSG or any other fans group to give advance notice to BST / me as an individual of any meetings they have ?
Of course not
Would I demand minutes from what was only an introductory meeting between the new CEO and said organisation even when as it happens one of the committee has spent 20 mins answering questions on how it went that can be accessed if I was actually interested ?
Again of course not
And for the record BST have updated members but again not in detail as frankly it would be a rather dull reading about who we are and who he is verbatim
 
He makes a good point
Do I expect the MSG or any other fans group to give advance notice to BST / me as an individual of any meetings they have ?
Of course not
Would I demand minutes from what was only an introductory meeting between the new CEO and said organisation even when as it happens one of the committee has spent 20 mins answering questions on how it went that can be accessed if I was actually interested ?
Again of course not
And for the record BST have updated members but again not in detail as frankly it would be a rather dull reading about who we are and who he is verbatim
Who organised this introductory meeting?
 
Why wouldn't he ?
That's his role - he was tasked by the BST committee to try set up the meeting and sorted it
There's no great conspiracy despite attempts by some to orchestrate one
Neither is it being suggested that there will only be dialogue with BST despite me being called out as a liar on X for saying that was what we were told
What form dialogue will take remains to be seen
in the limited time we had ( after the intros) I for example told the CEO that many didn't like the current SD set up and someone else also raised the issue of zooming meets so the wider fanbase can participate or at least listen in - something we have repeatedly asked for in the past Indeed I wanted the initial fans forums to be streamed but Michael Bolingbroke said no
The CEO didn't tell us what his plans were other than there would be regular and varied forms of dialogue
 
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I think there seems to be quite a lot of grandstanding that goes on on that Twitter.

In the past, when football hooliganism was rife, these young lads might have gained the attention and acceptance of the group by being the first to run headlong into a mob of Burnley Fans… Nowadays it seems that giving the SLO or Tim a bit of stick is the new way forward.

No doubt in a few years we’ll see the release of a new Green Street, the story of a Mean Keyboard Warrior who called people names on Twitter… 👍
 
I think there seems to be quite a lot of grandstanding that goes on on that Twitter.

In the past, when football hooliganism was rife, these young lads might have gained the attention and acceptance of the group by being the first to run headlong into a mob of Burnley Fans… Nowadays it seems that giving the SLO or Tim a bit of stick is the new way forward.

No doubt in a few years we’ll see the release of a new Green Street, the story of a Mean Keyboard Warrior who called people names on Twitter… 👍
“He was the firm’s top boy, the top of the top brass. Blocked by eight users on avftt, he’d served time with two 24 hour bans from the politics board. He’d offered to meet and fight two users at pub of their choice on the Fylde but never showed, and to top it all, he’d flounced from both avftt and X at least three times. No body messed with him.”
 
Why wouldn't he ?
That's his role - he was tasked by the BST committee to try set up the meeting and sorted it
There's no great conspiracy despite attempts by some to orchestrate one
Neither is it being suggested that there will only be dialogue with BST despite me being called out as a liar on X for saying that was what we were told
What form dialogue will take remains to be seen
in the limited time we had ( after the intros) I for example told the CEO that many didn't like the current SD set up and someone else also raised the issue of zooming meets so the wider fanbase can participate or at least listen in - something we have repeatedly asked for in the past Indeed I wanted the initial fans forums to be streamed but Michael Bolingbroke said no
The CEO didn't tell us what his plans were other than there would be regular and varied forms of dialogue
Currently the club will only communicate directly with BST

Is that correct yes or no?
 
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Currently the club will only communicate directly with BST

Is that correct yes or no?
I've no idea - you'd have to seek clarification from the club
Julian didn't touch on any of that when we met so in that respect the message the MSG have shared surprises me
Maybe it's just unconstituted groups that the SLO was referencing though i appreciate the wording suggests all
Personally I would like to see far more engagement with the fanbase not less and he has suggested that's his plan so my view is we should wait and see
 
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They aren't idiots Tim and as far as I'm aware dont have the right to reply on this forum, so my advice to you would be to challenge them on Twitter where they can defend themselves

Just saying ......
Sounds like very poor advice to me that Phil. Tackle a couple of people who kick off on Twitter? Really? The stuff TAM is saying makes perfect sense to me and tallies with what I've seen on Twitter. And on here. The accusations made about BST seem highly hypocritical given the way those people have sought to influence the club in the past and had secret meetings with board members allegedly. No? Seem to be no rules for them. If you try to insist on your own way and slag people off ad nauseam in public, you shouldnt be surprised if doors close and your opportunity to take part is rescinded. In my opinion. Its not hard to understand.
 
I've no idea - you'd have to seek clarification from the club
Julian didn't touch on any of that when we met so in that respect the message the MSG have shared surprises me
Maybe it's just unconstituted groups that the SLO was referencing though i appreciate the wording suggests all
Personally I would like to see far more engagement with the fanbase not less and he has suggested that's his plan so my view is we should wait and see
The SLO said the club was only currently communicating directly with BST so i find it hard to believe that you have 'no idea' and can't answer my rather simple question
 
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Steve is a thoroughly decent, civil man who is doing a good job. However, some go out of their way to be negative and rude in any circumstance.
His social media presence is virtually nil, I think I saw him post this week once on Twitter. No away day updates or anything useful just having a go at Powley.
 
His social media presence is virtually nil, I think I saw him post this week once on Twitter. No away day updates or anything useful just having a go at Powley.
The SLO has made approx. 15 Facebook posts in September so he does have a social media presence. I don't check twitter but if he's posting on there and AVFTT too then that's a great social media presence for a volunteer.
 
I think like a few on her have said there's a communications issue. I very rarely hear what BST are doing, I only hear the negative side of them, they're having secret meetings, they're sucking up to Sadler like BSA was with the Oystons, they're pushing forward their candidates for SLO over anyone else, they're trying to be the only supporters group that have real links to the board of the club are just a few I've heard over the last couple of years. When that's all that people are hearing, they're gonna believe that it's true. There's been more cleared up in this one post about BST than has been in the last 3 years. I still have issues with them being the only group in that meeting as MSG are just as big if not bigger in size than BST are, but there's been a few things put to rest here.
I know I'm going over old ground here but if there were monthly meetings of the BST membership - even quarterly would be a start - then all of those who have concerns about what BST has been doing, can be discussed there. members could get things out of their system and - more productively - members could see ways of assisting initiatives if they felt it would help to move things on. No-one's saying, "it's my ball and you can't play" but it does require face-to-face communication if people are going to feel involved. Atm it's more, "what have they been up to" rather than, "what have we been doing lately."
 
The SLO said the club was only currently communicating directly with BST so i find it hard to believe that you have 'no idea' and can't answer my rather simple question
So you have access to the email from the SLO and not from the Club... As Tim says, if you are looking for further clarification on the situation, then you'd need to speak with the Club themselves.
 
The SLO said the club was only currently communicating directly with BST so i find it hard to believe that you have 'no idea' and can't answer my rather simple question
I don't know what the club's position is. It's a question for them to answer
I acknowledged what the SLO appears to have said What more do you want ?
Phil I keep saying this and I mean it - I want to see more fan engagement not less
 
So you have access to the email from the SLO and not from the Club... As Tim says, if you are looking for further clarification on the situation, then you'd need to speak with the Club themselves.
I haven't mentioned any email I'm going off the message the SLO sent to Grimmy that was posted on Twitter

Its clear what the message said regarding dialogue from the club to supporters groups
 
Yes because the literal reading might not be what's intended - as I said he might only have intended to reference unconstituted groups
I have already accepted that on plain reading it is as you interpret
And that's been my point all along

If that's the stance the club are taking then I 100% think it's the wrong one

You were highly critical of the way BSA acted under the the Oystons as being "a voice for the fans" and it now appears BST are stepping into a similar position

And that's my worry
 
I haven't mentioned any email I'm going off the message the SLO sent to Grimmy that was posted on Twitter

Its clear what the message said regarding dialogue from the club to supporters groups
Email / Message it all amounts to the same thing really. (It's a communication in writing from one person to another).

As I said, the communication was from the SLO and sent to Grimmy... Tim didn't send the message and Tim hasn't spoken to the Club directly about the message either.

You're asking someone uninvolved to make an unequivocal statement about the Club's position, based on a second hand representation that is open to interpretation, misunderstanding etc..
 
Email / Message it all amounts to the same thing really. (It's a communication in writing from one person to another).

As I said, the communication was from the SLO and sent to Grimmy... Tim didn't send the message and Tim hasn't spoken to the Club directly about the message either.

You're asking someone uninvolved to make an unequivocal statement about the Club's position, based on a second hand representation that is open to interpretation, misunderstanding etc..
But Tim was at the meeting with the club just a couple of days before

A meeting that hasn't had minutes released or an agenda circulated with neither members or the wider fanbase

Infact we only found out about the meeting as it was leaked on social media before BST made a brief statement about the meeting

It's all very cloak and dagger

And now we have all seen a message from the SLO clearly stating that the club are currently only dealing with BST

Can you honestly not see an issue?
 
And that's been my point all along

If that's the stance the club are taking then I 100% think it's the wrong one

You were highly critical of the way BSA acted under the the Oystons as being "a voice for the fans" and it now appears BST are stepping into a similar position

And that's my worry
In the meeting we pressed for more engagement with the wider fanbase as I have said
That's also what I believe in and I and I suspect many others don't think the SD meetings in their current form achieve that
I came out of that meeting expecting more dialogue not less and I still believe that's the intention.
How that dialogue takes place is up to the club - you and I might speculate that the club may have issues with MSG / other groups that need addressing before one-to-one dialogue takes place and the SLO message to them seems to indicate that. If that is the case then it's not something I or indeed anyone else at BST know anything about.
 
In the meeting we pressed for more engagement with the wider fanbase as I have said
That's also what I believe in and I and I suspect many others don't think the SD meetings in their current form achieve that
I came out of that meeting expecting more dialogue not less and I still believe that's the intention.
How that dialogue takes place is up to the club - you and I might speculate that the club may have issues with MSG / other groups that need addressing before one-to-one dialogue takes place and the SLO message to them seems to indicate that. If that is the case then it's not something I or indeed anyone else at BST know anything about.
Do you not think it may be a wise idea to release minutes from the meeting so the wider fanbase can be informed of what was said?

Especially as it now appears that the club are only communicating directly with one group
 
That's up to the committee however
1/ There was no minute taker for what was an introductory meeting to get to know each other
2/ I suspect any minutes would have to be agreed with BFC in advance
3/ They would be a pretty tame read
 
His social media presence is virtually nil, I think I saw him post this week once on Twitter. No away day updates or anything useful just having a go at Powley.
I wasn't "having a go". I was correcting some misinformation, the claim that "no further meetings will be held at all." My reply was::

It's not true that no further meetings with individual fans' groups will be held - just not in the short term, while the Club finalises work on its Fan Engagement Charter. There will likely be structured dialogue meetings and fans' forums scheduled in the coming months as well.

PS. I've also posted on TwitteX a guide for away fans going to Barnsley.
 
That's up to the committee however
1/ There was no minute taker for what was an introductory meeting to get to know each other
2/ I suspect any minutes would have to be agreed with BFC in advance
3/ They would be a pretty tame read
You say it was an introductory meeting but you also state above that you "pressed for more fan engagement"

I'm struggling to see how it was just an " introductory meeting" if you are discussing things like fan engagement

I'm not being awkward on this but I think a very dangerous precedent is being set in terms of club to fans engagement
 
But Tim was at the meeting with the club just a couple of days before

A meeting that hasn't had minutes released or an agenda circulated with neither members or the wider fanbase

Infact we only found out about the meeting as it was leaked on social media before BST made a brief statement about the meeting

It's all very cloak and dagger

And now we have all seen a message from the SLO clearly stating that the club are currently only dealing with BST

Can you honestly not see an issue?
As has already been said, it was just an outline / introductory meeting, so there's nothing of any consequence to Minute and no particular Agenda.

There's nothing Cloak and Dagger about it... Every man and his dog was aware of the meeting immediately and BST has formally communicated about it.

The message from the SLO does not state that the Club are currently only dealing with BST... The message acknowledges that a meeting took place and then later states than no further meetings with Fan's groups (of which BST is one) will take place until the club has resolved it's communication policy.

To answer your question..

No, I don't see a problem, I'm glad that BST and the CEO have had an introductory meeting and I'm also glad that the Club is reviewing the communication policy. I do think that the Club should and most likely will find a way to communicate with most fans groups, but also think that we might need to try and hold these 'groups' to some proper standards...

I mean for a start off, what's to stop any Tom, Dick or Harry assuming the right to speak on behalf of any one of these supposed groups? What actually constitutes a Group? How does a Group demonstrate it has Members and that those Members wish to be represented by the Group?

I mean you've been on here recently (presumably along with others on Twitter) calling out the TK's and raising questions as to why individuals are being given special access to the club, simply because of a large Social Media following... Could exactly the same criticism not be levelled at the MSG? On that basis can Lee Charles TV or the Seasiders Podcast claim to represent their followers and seek access to the Club as a result?

So can you honestly not see an issue ?

Can you not appreciate that the Club might need to do some work and try to resolve how exactly it should communicate with supporters groups, what standards it might expect from those groups etc.?
 
As has already been said, it was just an outline / introductory meeting, so there's nothing of any consequence to Minute and no particular Agenda.

There's nothing Cloak and Dagger about it... Every man and his dog was aware of the meeting immediately and BST has formally communicated about it.

The message from the SLO does not state that the Club are currently only dealing with BST... The message acknowledges that a meeting took place and then later states than no further meetings with Fan's groups (of which BST is one) will take place until the club has resolved it's communication policy.

To answer your question..

No, I don't see a problem, I'm glad that BST and the CEO have had an introductory meeting and I'm also glad that the Club is reviewing the communication policy. I do think that the Club should and most likely will find a way to communicate with most fans groups, but also think that we might need to try and hold these 'groups' to some proper standards...

I mean for a start off, what's to stop any Tom, Dick or Harry assuming the right to speak on behalf of any one of these supposed groups? What actually constitutes a Group? How does a Group demonstrate it has Members and that those Members wish to be represented by the Group?

I mean you've been on here recently (presumably along with others on Twitter) calling out the TK's and raising questions as to why individuals are being given special access to the club, simply because of a large Social Media following... Could exactly the same criticism not be levelled at the MSG? On that basis can Lee Charles TV or the Seasiders Podcast claim to represent their followers and seek access to the Club as a result?

So can you honestly not see an issue ?

Can you not appreciate that the Club might need to do some work and try to resolve how exactly it should communicate with supporters groups, what standards it might expect from those groups etc.?
Yeah I get all that and I tend to agree with you about certain groups being represented

My point is more about what was said on the message from the SLO to Grimmy

That doesn't read well at all and the mentions of charters, SD and the nonsense around affiliations and memberships just looks to me like the club with backing from the SLO are moving down the path of only dealing with BST

If that's not the case then fair enough I will apologises to BST and the SLO once the club decides what it's going to do

The last thing we need is another BSA style closed shop

And to be frank i think its important enough for us to be able to discuss on an open forum without people getting all uppity about things
 
BST have done a lot to help the community in Blackpool and that deserves recognition and this is ongoing. They also, from memory, did a lot of outreach during the pandemic and cost of living crises. Not sure if this is what you mean by 'wandering off' but as a member of BST, I think that they have done what I would expect as a supporters group, and more by helping the local community.
I think they do a good job
BST lost me when they gave kids BFC shirts away to Tom Dick and Harry's which was designed to get more kids to come and watch us.

You do not need to be Einstein to know that you could give them 10 shirts and unless you also get their parents invested they aren't going to any footy matches.

A waste of time and money....
 
Yeah I get all that and I tend to agree with you about certain groups being represented

My point is more about what was said on the message from the SLO to Grimmy

That doesn't read well at all and the mentions of charters, SD and the nonsense around affiliations and memberships just looks to me like the club with backing from the SLO are moving down the path of only dealing with BST

If that's not the case then fair enough I will apologises to BST and the SLO once the club decides what it's going to do

The last thing we need is another BSA style closed shop

And to be frank i think its important enough for us to be able to discuss on an open forum without people getting all uperty about things
I think you're reading way more into the statement than it says.... This is kind of typical of a reactionary response though, instead of trying to treat the communication with a calm and rational head.

For starters Julian is the Club CEO and I suspect the majority of us want him to be focused on his day job, rather than dealing with needy supporter groups. So It's not unreasonable that he might want to put the brakes on from an influx of requests for direct communication and work on a proper policy.

I'd imagine it became pretty apparent during the intro meeting with BST that the Club has a number of fans groups as well as exiled supporters and I'd imagine BST will have made it clear that the Structured Dialogue approach doesn't really cut it. I'd also imagine that the Senior Management Team will be aware that the communication across a range of levels has been problematic.

It's difficult to pre-judge what the Club policy might be and we're all pretty much guessing.... The best thing to do is to allow the Club time to formulate the policy, rather than criticising them for something we've just made up in our own heads.

And I agree we should be able to discuss it without getting uppity... We should also be able to afford people like Tim and Steve a bit of basic common decency and respect and not be throwing wild and completely unsubstantiated accusations or using emotive terms like Liar to describe an individual who is honourable and decent. Why aren't people standing up and calling these characters out?
 
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