Starmer - idiot or just thick?

Bend it like Suddick

Bend it like Suddick

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Im probably resigned to the fact that the Torys won't win the next election, albeit Im not a Conservative, but is the British public that stupid they haven't realised that Mr Hindsight is not the answer to our problems?

Hes trying to undermine a democratic result with Brexit, hes more than likely going to accept more migrants in and as for the economy, where is all the money coming from as the various Shadow Cabinet Ministers are promising massive investment for each of their individual departments, with all of them spouting 'its been costed'

If you think the present shower of shit are bad, get ready for Starmer and his lot.

Were doomed.
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
Im probably resigned to the fact that the Torys won't win the next election, albeit Im not a Conservative, but is the British public that stupid they haven't realised that Mr Hindsight is not the answer to our problems?

Hes trying to undermine a democratic result with Brexit, hes more than likely going to accept more migrants in and as for the economy, where is all the money coming from as the various Shadow Cabinet Ministers are promising massive investment for each of their individual departments, with all of them spouting 'its been costed'

If you think the present shower of shit are bad, get ready for Starmer and his lot.

Were doomed.
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Nothing can be as bad as now. Nothing.
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
Im probably resigned to the fact that the Torys won't win the next election, albeit Im not a Conservative, but is the British public that stupid they haven't realised that Mr Hindsight is not the answer to our problems?

Hes trying to undermine a democratic result with Brexit, hes more than likely going to accept more migrants in and as for the economy, where is all the money coming from as the various Shadow Cabinet Ministers are promising massive investment for each of their individual departments, with all of them spouting 'its been costed'

If you think the present shower of shit are bad, get ready for Starmer and his lot.

Were doomed.
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Cannot wait till he gets started and get us back in. Far from stupid. It's what the people want.

Oh and he could do a new referendum. It's probably about time for another. I think the vote would go massively in favour of a return other than for a few RWNJ's and Boomers.
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
It is dire Wiz, but can you honestly say with Starmer at the helm that you have any confidence in him or your Party to make massive changes for the good.

For me its Labour rinse and repeat...Milliband -Corbyn-Starmer.
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Yes, purely because they won't be lining their own and friends' pockets.

As such, it has to be better.

This lot are literally robbing us.
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
Where is all the money coming from as the various Shadow Cabinet Ministers are promising massive investment for each of their individual departments, with all of them spouting 'its been costed'
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The same place as the £20 billion for the failed track and trace, £100 billion for HS2 or the £15 billion in contracts given to individuals connected to the Tory party?
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
... but is the British public that stupid they haven't realised that Mr Hindsight is not the answer to our problems?
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Whether Starmer is the answer to our problems, time will probably tell.

But one thing is certain, the Conservatives have been the root of our problems.

And for that reason we should try another party.

Only a fool would not learn from the last 13 years of mismanagement and go back for more...
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
Im probably resigned to the fact that the Torys won't win the next election, albeit Im not a Conservative, but is the British public that stupid they haven't realised that Mr Hindsight is not the answer to our problems?

Hes trying to undermine a democratic result with Brexit, hes more than likely going to accept more migrants in and as for the economy, where is all the money coming from as the various Shadow Cabinet Ministers are promising massive investment for each of their individual departments, with all of them spouting 'its been costed'

If you think the present shower of shit are bad, get ready for Starmer and his lot.

Were doomed.
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Where to start?....

Firstly, you don't get to be the Director of Public Prosecutions by being idiotic or thick.

Secondly, he is not going to undermine the Brexit referendum. The vote was to leave the EU. That has been done. There was no small print about how it should be done or what the post-Brexit relationship with the EU should be. The latter arrangements are what Labour in office will work on.

Thirdly, Labour will approach the small boats problem on two fronts: one, to fully staff workable routes of entry to the UK. This should reduce the numbers blocking up the immigration approval channels. Two, to negotiate with France and the EU like grown ups in a bid to reduce the numbers willing to risk their lives coming to the UK via the Channel in small boats.

Now, are you interested in having problems solved and considering what an alternative to the Tories has to offer? Or, do you just want to sound off loudly without sense or reason?
 
Macseasider said:
Cannot wait till he gets started and get us back in. Far from stupid. It's what the people want.

Oh and he could do a new referendum. It's probably about time for another. I think the vote would go massively in favour of a return other than for a few RWNJ's and Boomers.
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Absolute no chance of the Brits voting to return we'd have to accept the Euro put that on the ballot paper and it would be dead in the water.

It will just be as Lytham often puts it back in by stealth.

Starmer is a shocking choice to have but the Tories have run their course time for a change only wish we had PR in this country rather than a red v blue pick .
 
spudgun said:
And for that reason we should try another party.
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Shame that it's the usual suspects then. I have massive doubts about a Starmer led Government (which initially has to be better than the Tories), and the LibDems are a non-entity and utterly clueless.

If I had a preference Id like to give Richard Tice and his Reform Party a go, just to see if they could do any worse, but possibly better.
If you listen to Tice he actually talks a lot of sense.
 
I saw this thread while on the toilet which seemed strangely appropriate.

Anyway your periodic reminder the electorate changes because errr people die and kids become adults. Actually I think the impact is about 1% per year in terms of the Brexit vote.

There is more immigration than there was before anyway. It is just that European immigration has been replaced by non-European immigration. Demographic trends and labour shortages aren't something that one can wish away.

Long-term international migration, provisional - Office for National Statistics

Experimental and provisional estimates of UK international migration, 2018 to 2022. Covers the period since coronavirus (COVID-19) travel restrictions eased.
www.ons.gov.uk

As the population ages there is more demand on health care, climate change requires mitigating expenditure and more geopolitical instability means more defence spending. Of course that means taxes will have to go up at least with the poor short term growth prospects.

The end.
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
Im probably resigned to the fact that the Torys won't win the next election, albeit Im not a Conservative, but is the British public that stupid they haven't realised that Mr Hindsight is not the answer to our problems?

Hes trying to undermine a democratic result with Brexit, hes more than likely going to accept more migrants in and as for the economy, where is all the money coming from as the various Shadow Cabinet Ministers are promising massive investment for each of their individual departments, with all of them spouting 'its been costed'

If you think the present shower of shit are bad, get ready for Starmer and his lot.

Were doomed fact
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Bend it like Suddick said:
Im probably resigned to the fact that the Torys won't win the next election, albeit Im not a Conservative, but is the British public that stupid they haven't realised that Mr Hindsight is not the answer to our problems?

Hes trying to undermine a democratic result with Brexit, hes more than likely going to accept more migrants in and as for the economy, where is all the money coming from as the various Shadow Cabinet Ministers are promising massive investment for each of their individual departments, with all of them spouting 'its been costed'

If you think the present shower of shit are bad, get ready for Starmer and his lot.

Were doomed.
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In answer to your question in the title, he's probably a bit of both. An idiot who's a little bit thick
But I've zero faith in any of the major parties.
The Tories have been in power too long and look jaded and out of ideas. They've resided over one major cock up
after another. It's time for them to go.
So I think it's time for a change. Then I look at Starmer and read some of his ideas/policies and I'm afraid I just couldn't
bring myself to vote for him or the Labour party he leads. Just one example being the policy to give more powers to Councils
to CPO land for even more road and house building. Absolutely bonkers to give more power to organisations, some of whom aren't
fit for purpose in what they do, never mind more power. And even more bonkers to carry on with building more roads as it doen't solve the problem.
Added to which Starmer seems to have very few convictions and sways with whatever seems to be popular with the public at the time.
Captain Hindsight indeed. Or Starmer Chameleon as I've recently seen him named.
So it looks like I won't be voting in the next GE as has sadly become a regular occurence.
I don't think any of them deserve my vote to be honest.
It's such a shame that the UK currently has such an awful set of politicians. In government and opposition.
I can't remember a worse bunch, certainly not in my living memory
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Two, to negotiate with France and the EU like grown ups in a bid to reduce the numbers willing to risk their lives coming to the UK via the Channel in small boats.
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I don't often stick up for Tory Migrant Policy, but they have repeatedly negotiated with France with at the time responsible agreements, so to say Labour would negotiate like grown-ups is somewhat churlish.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
In answer to your question in the title, he's probably a bit of both. An idiot who's a little bit thick
But I've zero faith in any of the major parties.
The Tories have been in power too long and look jaded and out of ideas. They've resided over one major cock up
after another. It's time for them to go.
So I think it's time for a change. Then I look at Starmer and read some of his ideas/policies and I'm afraid I just couldn't
bring myself to vote for him or the Labour party he leads. Just one example being the policy to give more powers to Councils
to CPO land for even more road and house building. Absolutely bonkers to give more power to organisations, some of whom aren't
fit for purpose in what they do, never mind more power. And even more bonkers to carry on with building more roads as it doen't solve the problem.
Added to which Starmer seems to have very few convictions and sways with whatever seems to be popular with the public at the time.
Captain Hindsight indeed. Or Starmer Chameleon as I've recently seen him named.
So it looks like I won't be voting in the next GE as has sadly become a regular occurence.
I don't think any of them deserve my vote to be honest.
It's such a shame that the UK currently has such an awful set of politicians. In government and opposition.
I can't remember a worse bunch, certainly not in my living memory
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If Starmer were Tory, you'd vote for him.
 
I think the Tories have simply run out of road.Labout very likely to win next election ,especially if they do tactical manoeuvres with the LibDems .

As for the EU ,no chance any party would rejoin on worse terms than we left.

A better ,flexible and more constructive relationship with the EU can only be a good thing,eh?

It's the economy,stupid
 
The voters will decide it’s time to change and that would be the case if labour was in power. It’s just human nature to want change.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
If Starmer were Tory, you'd vote for him.
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I wouldn't Lytham.

I'll nail my flag to the post. Im not a Conservative but Ive voted Tory for a fair time.

The reason being is where I live we have a superb MP who has represented both middle class areas and mining communities with integrity ( a word not often associated with a Tory MP)

Even with this shower of crap, I would still vote for my MP, and therefore for the Conservatives.
 
“Idiot or just thick”?

He’s risen to be the leader of the opposition via DPP.

You are starting threads about politics on a football message board.

Glass houses eh?
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
Not quite, it's posted on the official O/T Forum which should have non-football content. It gives Forum Members the opportunity of participating on subjects and topics that warrant discussion.

Keep up.
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You sailed right past the point there chief.

I’m pointing out that as a commentator on an internet forum, it’s unlikely you have been either the leader of the opposition, or the director of public prosecutions (though do tell me if I’m in the wrong there). You are calling someone who has achieved those things an idiot, or calling him thick, when it’s clear that he isn’t.

Makes sense now?
 
Starmer and the Labour Party are essentially pointless really. They don’t really stand for anything in particular anymore and simply float around on the tide of popular opinion.

The only reason that they’re anywhere close to being elected is on the basis that there the only realistic alternative to the clusterfuck that is the Tory Party.

Survival of the shittest 👍
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
Im probably resigned to the fact that the Torys won't win the next election, albeit Im not a Conservative, but is the British public that stupid they haven't realised that Mr Hindsight is not the answer to our problems?

Hes trying to undermine a democratic result with Brexit, hes more than likely going to accept more migrants in and as for the economy, where is all the money coming from as the various Shadow Cabinet Ministers are promising massive investment for each of their individual departments, with all of them spouting 'its been costed'

If you think the present shower of shit are bad, get ready for Starmer and his lot.resolve all issues

Were doomed.
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I agree that Starmer is not the person to lead this country. He lacks authority and charisma and I would choose Sunak over him any day of the week. But this brings us back to the government v opposition nonsense we see every day. Yesterday it was about doctors. Starmer criticised the govt for not giving in and awarding them a huge pay rise. Last week it was about immigration. Next week it will be another topic. The BBC and other media stir the pot by asking Shadow ministers to comment on governmental policies. They seem reluctant to ask the govt, which always seems like an odd modus operandi. Surely if a minister makes a statement on policy, it's the minister who should be questioned about it.

Anyway, the opposition, whichever party that is, will always make promises to resolve all issues, without ever having the wherewithal to pay for it. Being in opposition is simple and being leader of the opposition is simpler still. No doubt Labour will win the next election and will find itself having to answer the serious questions in real life. It can't resolve the country's problems in government any better than it can now or than the Tories can now. Is there anyone on the other side of the Chamber in a better position than Keir to run the country? I'm struggling to see any suitable candidates. So maybe we are doomed.
 
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Bend it like Suddick said:
Im probably resigned to the fact that the Torys won't win the next election, albeit Im not a Conservative, but is the British public that stupid they haven't realised that Mr Hindsight is not the answer to our problems?

Hes trying to undermine a democratic result with Brexit, hes more than likely going to accept more migrants in and as for the economy, where is all the money coming from as the various Shadow Cabinet Ministers are promising massive investment for each of their individual departments, with all of them spouting 'its been costed'

If you think the present shower of shit are bad, get ready for Starmer and his lot.

Were doomed.
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We aren't doomed and there's not a cat in hells chance of another referendum assuming the EU would let us back in. After 13 years of Tory catastrophe that you should be worrying about Starmer is odd but you're probably right as he'll just deliver more Tory policy. We had a chance of genuine change with Corbyn probably the most lied about politician the UK has ever had. Of course he could have been a disaster too but we'll never know, he can't have been as bad as the current shower.
 
cside said:
You sailed right past the point there chief.

I’m pointing out that as a commentator on an internet forum, it’s unlikely you have been either the leader of the opposition, or the director of public prosecutions (though do tell me if I’m in the wrong there). You are calling someone who has achieved those things an idiot, or calling him thick, when it’s clear that he isn’t.

Makes sense now?
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To a point.

Leader of the opposition: Actively supported Corbyn and now appearing to undermine Brexit. Time will tell on that one.

DPP: Ive already addressed his tenure on that

If he's that intelligent why is Labour actively cosseting him and keeping him away from mainstream interviews and policy statements? For the first time he's put his head above the proverbial parapet and mooted his Migrant policy which has attracted widespread derision.Not good.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Starmer and the Labour Party are essentially pointless really. They don’t really stand for anything in particular anymore and simply float around on the tide of popular opinion.

The only reason that they’re anywhere close to being elected is on the basis that there the only realistic alternative to the clusterfuck that is the Tory Party.

Survival of the shittest 👍
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Don't often agree with you BFCx3, but very well put.
 
They will be more competent than the Tories who couldn't run a bath but they still choose to play by the same arbritrary fiscal rules Cameron and Osborne set out years ago so the country will largely continue to limp on in a zombie state handcuffed by not investing and cowering to NIMBYism. Debt has grown massively under the Conservatives and we have the highest tax burden in generations and yet you still get people who blame Labour for this. The lesson Starmer should have learnt is you will never win over these people so don't even bother, instead he continues pandering and playing nervous scared politics despite having a commanding lead and going up against a terrible opponent in Sunak who is losing credibility by the day. The only faint hope is he becomes a bit bolder if he gets a 200+ seat majority which he is on course to do, but it means breaking the hegemony of conservative fiscal rule.
 
UPDATE: Macron and Starmer exchange 'gifts' after 45min constructive meeting.

Macron gives Starmer a set of cufflinks, so what does the prospective PM give Macron?

Yep, you've got it..an Arsenal shirt.

Words fail me
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
UPDATE: Macron and Starmer exchange 'gifts' after 45min constructive meeting.

Macron gives Starmer a set of cufflinks, so what does the prospective PM give Macron?

Yep, you've got it..an Arsenal shirt.

Words fail me
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Football is a culturally significant part of both countries, what an odd thing to get worked up about. Everyone wants politicians to be more normal until they don't.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Sorry Bendit...not understanding that - no game playing btw.
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1966. I was making a reply to your point about Starmer can't be thick or stupid as he was head of the DPP. My response was basically yes he could when he was actually in charge when Saville allegations started to be in the public domain. I also thought he was at the DPP when the Brazilian got shot on the tube, but I stand to be corrected on that one.

I concede he must have a modicum of intelligence to achieve being the head of the DPP, but as in his Political career he seems to have dodged active involvement by staying in the Shadows.

Perhaps my title should have been...Thick, stupid or incompetent which would have probably been more accurate.
 
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