Summer transfer rumours thread.

Lost Seasider said:
Normally, if they think they're good enough to play league football, they'll hang onto them until they're 23, sending them out on loan means they don't have to pay their wages anyway.

It really doesn't cost them too much to do this, so the fact they're not doing this suggests either they think he's not good enough, or there are massive off-field issues.
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In fairness Oxlade Chamberlain and Minamino can’t get a kick in that midfield and both would get into most Prem teams.
Then they’ve got Jones, Morton and Elliot etc etc etc. The kid won’t get a kick so might as well move on.
On paper Bowler looked a questionable signing until he pulled on the Tangerine and created a video on the art of dribbling
 
Insider said:
It's about time we started speculating.
Here's one from Sean,

www.lancs.live

Blackpool and PNE linked with out of contract AFC Wimbledon midfielder

The 22-year-old has rejected a new deal with the Dons following relegation
www.lancs.live www.lancs.live
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Lost Seasider said:
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-blackpool/startseite/verein/1181/saison_id/2021
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I think we’re trying to get Lewis Gibson on a permanent. Injuries look like have blighted him so far but a talent if injury free.
 
Lewis Gibson had a very good loan at Fleetwood, he is C/B or L/B good quality player. Critchley knows what he is doing, have faith.
 
Derby said:
I think we’re trying to get Lewis Gibson on a permanent. Injuries look like have blighted him so far but a talent if injury free.
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Been right about players before has Derby,

Urgh not sure I'm a fan of this to be honest, 21 year old that's only managed 20 odd games up to this point. What is the injury problem he's had?
Having said all that Casey being a similar age had only played 3 games for Leeds and he seems to have grown immeasurable this season.

I have a lot of faith in the management structure so here's hoping. 🤞

Edit to add he seems to have had decent half season at Fleetwood before injury struck. You don't go through England's youth ages up to Under 20's with out being very good. On a free he's worth a punt, and may free us up to sell Thorniley whilst his stock is probably at the highest it's every going to be, reinvest those funds into the midfield it does make sense.

It just means that our central defence is going to be very young and fairly inexperienced.
 
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Centre defence wouldn’t be my first choice for strengthening. Thorniley did well when he came back and Casey looks a talent. Championship midfielders and strikers are where we should be focussing our attention. A League 1 midfielder shouldn’t be our biggest ambition this summer - and I’m not sure he wants to come anyway. I fear for next season, we need more quality.
 
TommyHutch said:
Centre defence wouldn’t be my first choice for strengthening. Thorniley did well when he came back and Casey looks a talent. Championship midfielders and strikers are where we should be focussing our attention. A League 1 midfielder shouldn’t be our biggest ambition this summer - and I’m not sure he wants to come anyway. I fear for next season, we need more quality.
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Tbf if we can get a cheap available left footed central defender in, that would free us up to move on Thorniley.

It would likely weaken us in defence in the short term, but bring in funds, or give us a make weight for an attacking player.

With Marv, Keogh, Casey, Gibson (if it happens), Tharme and if needed in a pinch Connolly and Husband to play at centre back I think we'll be about right.

As you say an attacking central midfielder is desperately needed, shuffling the pack is bound to happen to facilitate this.
 
Thatseasider said:
Tbf if we can get a cheap available left footed central defender in, that would free us up to move on Thorniley.

It would likely weaken us in defence in the short term, but bring in funds, or give us a make weight for an attacking player.

With Marv, Keogh, Casey, Gibson (if it happens), Tharme and if needed in a pinch Connolly and Husband to play at centre back I think we'll be about right.

As you say an attacking central midfielder is desperately needed, shuffling the pack is bound to happen to facilitate this.
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Would moving Thorniley on free up funds?
 
voyeur said:
Would moving Thorniley on free up funds?
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His wage will be much more than Gibson's, plus we'd want a fee or he'd bring the price down on a Brannigan for instance. It's not Bale levels of funds but they all funds the last time I checked.
 
Thatseasider said:
His wage will be much more than Gibson's, plus we'd want a fee or he'd bring the price down on a Brannigan for instance. It's not Bale levels of funds but they all funds the last time I checked.
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I'm not sure Gibson's wages would be much less tbh. Coming from Everton, who paid a million for him. He's probably in more at Everton than Thorniley is on.
 
Thatseasider said:
Seems like you’re stretching this to the Nth degree, there’s no way we’d pay a released 21year old the wages JT is on (which were firstly high at the time it was reported as there was a complete lack of control under Grayson) Regardless of what happened with him at Everton.

I know Grimmys family personally, he’s on less than 50% of what he was getting at City. It’s what happens when young pros leave big academy’s and part of the reason many of them just don’t adapt to life outside of that environment.
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I'm not stretching anything at all. I'm just debating a point. I'm not sure. None of our players earn that much compared to the divisional average or decent prospects at Prem level. Gibson may take a huge pay cut to get a chance with us. Thorniley is probably on 5/6k a week. What would Gibson accept? What would other clubs offer?
 
Thatseasider said:
Seems like you’re stretching this to the Nth degree, there’s no way we’d pay a released 21year old the wages JT is on (which were firstly high at the time it was reported as there was a complete lack of control under Grayson) Regardless of what happened with him at Everton.
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JT's wages are probably big by L1 standards, but we're not in L1 any more.
 
Thatseasider said:
To be honest I've notice you do this, start off in a way to get a rise out of people then jump back to the, it's just a debate position.

I'm fairly certain the young pro's we're signing are on less than half of what JT is on (I make you correct in that estimation of JT's wage). I know one snippet of information to back that up, plus look what came out of the Bez trial £1,800 p/w. I'd imagine that's the kind of range we'd offer Gibson or another. Can't see us breaking that simply because he was at Everton's academy.

So to come back to my original point, yes it's free up 3/4 k p/w plus give us circa 250-500k in cash or as a make weight. To swap that for a lad with a good pedigree with an injury history is good business with the squad as is.
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That's just your interpretation, in my opinion you are just being touchy cos someone questioned what you said. You might be right, it might free up money. But you might not, cos most players leaving Prem clubs to play in the Championship will expect 5k a week or more, I think. Bez came from League 2. Low wages. I don't think if swap Thorniley for a kid with an injury history and little experience, tbh. In fact it sounds like a daft idea.
 
Thatseasider said:
No no, it's how you operate and you know it, couldn't give a toss if people challenge my view, I provided facts to back up what I'm saying. If you think we're offering a young lad with an injury history only 30 senior games under his belt 5/6k a week, you seem intelligent enough to know that is not reality, which is why the only conclusion I can come to is you're on a wind up to keep people engaged with you.

Don't cure bored or loneliness with this place the worlds a big place
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Bit out of order mate, and completely untrue. You've no right to get personal when someone disagrees.

You back up with facts? Like Bez's wages? Not really eh? Barely comparable, very different circumstances. League 2 and running away from a problem.
 
Thatseasider said:
plus look what came out of the Bez trial £1,800 p/w. I'd imagine that's the kind of range we'd offe
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Not getting involved in the debate but don't forget we signed Bez on League 1 wages likewise all the players we signed before last season. However I'm sure those original contracts will all have had promotion pay rises built in. Just saying.
 
Insider said:
Not getting involved in the debate but don't forget we signed Bez on League 1 wages likewise all the players we signed before last season. However I'm sure those original contracts will all have had promotion pay rises built in. Just saying.
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By the same token I imagine JT wage increased at the same rate that Bez’s did or what we’d now be prepared to offer a young talent when we got promoted.

Coming back to my original point that, signing someone of Gibson’s age/ history will undoubtably give us a fairly decent chunk of money freed up if we sign him and let Thorneily go. Does anyone really believe he’d be signed up to anywhere near the same wages as an established Championship/league one player.
 
Thatseasider said:
Nah I’ve seen you post you just disagree with everyone over anything, you seem like a bored grumpy old man. Just look at your original post in reply to me, just instigating a wind up.

We’ll I’ve obviously hit a bit of a nerve here and you don’t like it.

You turned it personally mentioning I don’t like someone challenging me, you’re not a bully you’re like that annoying kid at school that just went around winding people up then went crying to teacher when you got told to F off.

So we’ll come back to it in the past young talent have been offered wages at around 2 k. Bez. Grimmy’ son 2k p/w when he signed. Do you honestly believe we’re going to offer Gibson or someone like him 5/6k p/w? Don’t airy fairy around it with hypotheticals, do you think we’d do that, given everything SS has mentioned about not buying his way to promotion and the relative means at our disposal.
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Whatever. You're out of order. I'm not here for this shit.
 
Thatseasider said:
This is exactly what you're here for.

Don't make mildly personal quips about people if you don't like them coming back at you old chap
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I didn't do that. Seems to me you were spoiling for a fight. I said nothing to warrant the crap you've come out with. I chat about the football on here in a totally constructive manner, and every now and then an avftt dick pops up.
 
Thatseasider said:
By the same token I imagine JT wage increased at the same rate that Bez’s did or what we’d now be prepared to offer a young talent when we got promoted.

Coming back to my original point that, signing someone of Gibson’s age/ history will undoubtably give us a fairly decent chunk of money freed up if we sign him and let Thorneily go. Does anyone really believe he’d be signed up to anywhere near the same wages as an established Championship/league one player.
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I think your numbers are a long way off.
 
voyeur said:
Bit out of order mate, and completely untrue. You've no right to get personal when someone disagrees.

You back up with facts? Like Bez's wages? Not really eh? Barely comparable, very different circumstances. League 2 and running away from a problem.
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I'm not sure running away from a problem is accurate, I don't think he knew he had one at the time.

But L2 wages and a substantial fee moving up to L1 is a long way from moving on a free into the Championship.
 
Lost Seasider said:
I think your numbers are a long way off.
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How so?
It's in the public domain that Bez got 1.8K, I know personally that Grimmy was getting 2k when he signed, (No way to prove that to you but that's from his dad).

Voy estimated that JT would be on 5/6k per week(probably after a promotion hike), I agree with that, Promotion would effect these somewhat but Grimmy was signed in the Championship with a fairly similar background minus injuries.

I just can't see us not freeing up money if we bring in Gibson, or similar and let JT go. It's 2-4k p/w but it's still free'd up.

We'd suffer quality wise but the squad probably has enough in it to cope at the back.

We're crying out for attacking minded players, if 2-4k goes some way to remedying that, i'd take the quality drop off from JT to an academy player.
 
Critch doesn't fully trust Thorniley for some reason so I would be surprised if he is still here at the end of August. People seem to forget that our transfer strategy is to recruit young talent and develop them. Casey, Tharme and if he is signed Gibson are very much in that category and not the finished article.
 
From that article on Lewis Gibson "Everton releasing Josh Bowler who is at Blackpool and has torn it up in the Championship, and there is rumours linking him with a move to the Premier League. Everton probably don't want to risk another Josh Bowler."
 
Lost Seasider said:
I'm not sure running away from a problem is accurate, I don't think he knew he had one at the time.

But L2 wages and a substantial fee moving up to L1 is a long way from moving on a free into the Championship.
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I suspect he did know, and that Crawley were keen to get rid. There was a potential problem still, I think. But I don't know.
 
Thatseasider said:
How so?
It's in the public domain that Bez got 1.8K, I know personally that Grimmy was getting 2k when he signed, (No way to prove that to you but that's from his dad).
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Bez signed from L2 into L1 with a fee of about £300,000, I don't think he's a valid point of comparison.

Grimmy is a keeper, their wages tend to be below those of outfield players, in fact I'm slightly surprised if he's on £2,000 p/w.

You think that Thorniley is worth £250,000 - £500,000 but at the same time you acknowledge that he's on top end L1 wages, I don't think he would command much of a fee at all.

Financially, I don't think Thorniley for Gibson would represent much more than a straight swap, although it's going to depend upon how much interest there is in him, potentially he could end up outside our price range.

Gibson might make sense as a long term replacement for Keogh, but in that case I'd still want to keep Thorniley at the club and assess the situation once we get towards the end of his contract.
 
voyeur said:
I suspect he did know, and that Crawley were keen to get rid. There was a potential problem still, I think. But I don't know.
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If you look at the timeline, I don't think that stacks up, what I think happened was his transfer here received some local coverage and that prompted the complaint.

But then none of us know.
 
On Grimmy's wages, you'd say £2k is on the top side given he's been on loan at a Belgian tier 2/3 team and didn't get a game. Plus likely to be released by City. His choices may have been limited. Perhaps Gibson has more choice to drive his wage up?

Personally I don't want to see players for the 'future' as such I want oven ready Cship players (Utopia FC permitting), then see where we are.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Bez signed from L2 into L1 with a fee of about £300,000, I don't think he's a valid point of comparison.

Grimmy is a keeper, their wages tend to be below those of outfield players, in fact I'm slightly surprised if he's on £2,000 p/w.

You think that Thorniley is worth £250,000 - £500,000 but at the same time you acknowledge that he's on top end L1 wages, I don't think he would command much of a fee at all.

Financially, I don't think Thorniley for Gibson would represent much more than a straight swap, although it's going to depend upon how much interest there is in him, potentially he could end up outside our price range.

Gibson might make sense as a long term replacement for Keogh, but in that case I'd still want to keep Thorniley at the club and assess the situation once we get towards the end of his contract.
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Yeh I understand they’re not like for like comparisons but the point t I was trying to get across was the younger prospects we’re bringing to the club are within a structure around 2k per week.

Like I say Grimmy took a deal at less than 50% what he was getting at City to get playing men’s football.

This is where I see Gibson fitting in, I cannot see us offering anything g much more than 2k for him.

I don’t think I ever said he’s on top end League One wages. Didn’t you say that? But I may have missed your point. Anyway, JT will be worth around 500k in my opinion he’s proven he can play well in the championship, someone will be interested at that price either lower Champ or top end League One. Or he could be used as a make weight in us acquiring an attacking player.

I come at this from the point t of view that Critchley has never really fancied him and he’s in the last year of his extended contract now. I think you guys are thinking he’s here for a while. He is at most going to be with us for 12 months. With Marvin, Keogh and Casey at the club, now is the right time to cash in on him for what ever we can get, replace him with a cheaper and younger player and move on. I actually really like JT and think he’s been treated slightly poorly by Critch all things considered but it’s worth the potential drop off to try and help fund and re balance the squad at the attacking end of the pitch.
 
fcblackpool said:
On Grimmy's wages, you'd say £2k is on the top side given he's been on loan at a Belgian tier 2/3 team and didn't get a game. Plus likely to be released by City. His choices may have been limited. Perhaps Gibson has more choice to drive his wage up?

Personally I don't want to see players for the 'future' as such I want oven ready Cship players (Utopia FC permitting), then see where we are.
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Where do we get oven ready Championship players from and what do they cost? Or, how do we know they are oven ready? I guess Bowler was but we didn't know for sure when we signed him. Keogh maybe but very short shelf life. Stewart probably, but rarely fit. I think we walk a tightrope in the market cos we are at the bottom of the money pile.

I think 500k for Thorniley quoted above is very optimistic. He's into his +1 year. It's not impossible but it's unlikely. I don't think he'll attract much if any championship interest, and L1 clubs won't offer 500k for a player with so little contract left. There are loads of players out of contract altogether next month. His performances since he returned in January may have boosted his value though.
 
fcblackpool said:
Perhaps Gibson has more choice to drive his wage up?
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he’s broken down with injuries in his last two seasons, cutting them short by some way.

I can’t see anyone jumping at the chance to sign him on big wages.

But this is all a guessing game using incomplete facts. So who knows.

I just think we’d be in the driving seat for this one, look what we’ve done for Ballard, Marvin etc. I think he’d fit into our structure it would t be us busting it to get him in.
 
voyeur said:
Where do we get oven ready Championship players from and what do they cost? Or, how do we know they are oven ready? I guess Bowler was but we didn't know for sure when we signed him. Keogh maybe but very short shelf life. Stewart probably, but rarely fit. I think we walk a tightrope in the market cos we are at the bottom of the money pile.
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That's why I put Utopia Fc in brackets.

I think we need to try to bring in a couple of orcp's, maybe those released by teams promted or at the top end of this league. Perhaps over the hill PL players who aren't getting games and won't make the squad.

We can't keep paying money for players that may come good 'next' season and do nothing this.
 
Thatseasider said:
he’s broken down with injuries in his last two seasons, cutting them short by some way.

I can’t see anyone jumping at the chance to sign him on big wages.

But this is all a guessing game using incomplete facts. So who knows.

I just think we’d be in the driving seat for this one, look what we’ve done for Ballard, Marvin etc. I think he’d fit into our structure it would t be us busting it to get him in.
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I don't get that we would even want to sign a player who has broken down in the last 2 seasons. We've got more than enough of those already.

fcblackpool said:
That's why I put Utopia Fc in brackets.

I think we need to try to bring in a couple of orcp's, maybe those released by teams promted or at the top end of this league. Perhaps over the hill PL players who aren't getting games and won't make the squad.

We can't keep paying money for players that may come good 'next' season and do nothing this.
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We could talk about Utopia til the cows come home. 😆
 
voyeur said:
I don't get that we would even want to sign a player who has broken down in the last 2 seasons. We've got more than enough of those already.
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I don’t either, but it’s come from a source that’s told us about signings long before they’ve appeared so it stands to reasons we’re after him.

As you say, we walk a tight rope. If one hits it may fund a couple of seasons in the championship, if he doesn’t we won’t loose too much.
 
Wage wise maybe Bowler is a better player to go off and he accepted £3.5k with us.

One thing to go off from last season and the season before that is no one actually had a clue who we were getting until they appeared on the official website.
 
Thatseasider said:
I don’t either, but it’s come from a source that’s told us about signings long before they’ve appeared so it stands to reasons we’re after him.

As you say, we walk a tight rope. If one hits it may fund a couple of seasons in the championship, if he doesn’t we won’t loose too much.
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His injuries will likely keep his wages down. He knows he has to prove himself and we'd be taking a gamble. Another tightrope really. Not ideal, win some lose some. I'd rather keep Thorniley but Critch may not want to promise him regular matches.
 
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